First gay group forms on U.S. military base

[old navy]

The dude in the tee shirt, jeans, and 'stash.

Do people really dress like that?

no, he was photoshopped

That eases my mind somewhat, I think.

 

[old navy]

He's on a cross service assignment, he's actually in the Air Force.


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That eases my mind somewhat, I think.

It was a joke.


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I know. I was playing along.

 

[Krestine22]

Nice information. It's joke. Yaah...

 

[ABikerSailor]

Do they have a heterosexual support group?

Actually, the military DOES have a heterosexual support group. It comes in the form of spouse's associations and the Ombudsman programs.

 

[whitehall]

It had to happen sooner or later. Next thing you will find the sissies whining that they were harassed. It's estimated that less than 1% of Military personnel (probably higher if you include lesbians) are homosexual. How does the group presume to "support Sailors"? In a physical sense like Athletic supporters support testicles? Look at them, they look like every commander's nightmare.

 

[ABikerSailor]

It had to happen sooner or later. Next thing you will find the sissies whining that they were harassed. It's estimated that less than 1% of Military personnel (probably higher if you include lesbians) are homosexual. How does the group presume to "support Sailors"? In a physical sense like Athletic supporters support testicles? Look at them, they look like every commander's nightmare.

Ever stop to think that they formed their own group because they aren't allowed to get married exept in 7 states, thereby making them ineligible for the Ombudsman programs?

Try thinking once in a while.

 

[whitehall]

It had to happen sooner or later. Next thing you will find the sissies whining that they were harassed. It's estimated that less than 1% of Military personnel (probably higher if you include lesbians) are homosexual. How does the group presume to "support Sailors"? In a physical sense like Athletic supporters support testicles? Look at them, they look like every commander's nightmare.

Ever stop to think that they formed their own group because they aren't allowed to get married exept in 7 states, thereby making them ineligible for the Ombudsman programs?

Try thinking once in a while.

I figured you would be a member bicycle/sailor. I remember when a Sailor spent his time in port trying to get laid or get drunk. I wasn't aware that they were really looking for an "ombudsman".

 

[ABikerSailor]

It had to happen sooner or later. Next thing you will find the sissies whining that they were harassed. It's estimated that less than 1% of Military personnel (probably higher if you include lesbians) are homosexual. How does the group presume to "support Sailors"? In a physical sense like Athletic supporters support testicles? Look at them, they look like every commander's nightmare.

Ever stop to think that they formed their own group because they aren't allowed to get married exept in 7 states, thereby making them ineligible for the Ombudsman programs?

Try thinking once in a while.

I figured you would be a member bicycle/sailor. I remember when a Sailor spent his time in port trying to get laid or get drunk. I wasn't aware that they were really looking for an "ombudsman".

Actually, the Ombudsman program is a liasion between the homeport and the ship when it's deployed. If something goes wrong at home, they can call the command Ombudsman and they can get a radio message out to wherever the service member is, as well as provide assistance via Navy Relief if there are finances involved.

Like I said, it's a hetero support group for spouses. Why shouldn't the gays have something like that as well? It could be a possibility that the dude in the civilian clothes was the gay Ombudsman for the command.

 

[whitehall]

Ever stop to think that they formed their own group because they aren't allowed to get married exept in 7 states, thereby making them ineligible for the Ombudsman programs?

Try thinking once in a while.

I figured you would be a member bicycle/sailor. I remember when a Sailor spent his time in port trying to get laid or get drunk. I wasn't aware that they were really looking for an "ombudsman".

Actually, the Ombudsman program is a liasion between the homeport and the ship when it's deployed. If something goes wrong at home, they can call the command Ombudsman and they can get a radio message out to wherever the service member is, as well as provide assistance via Navy Relief if there are finances involved.

Like I said, it's a hetero support group for spouses. Why shouldn't the gays have something like that as well? It could be a possibility that the dude in the civilian clothes was the gay Ombudsman for the command.

First of all the "sailor support group" is a sodomy support group when you get right down to it. They don't have any more clout in supporting boyfriends back home than the old Navy had supporting prostitutes.

 

[whitehall]

Heterosexual intercourse often results in babies. The legitimate concern that women back home, either married or not, who might be incapacitated by having been impregnated by a US Navy Sailor and concern for the baby is the reason that the Navy gets involved with the social life of Sailors. Homosexual sailors don't have that problem. In fact it's freaking impossible for a gay relationship to result in pregnancy. So why should the Navy get involved with homosexual relationships? The gay member back home is probably doing better financially than the gay Sailor. Should the Navy get involved when the "spouse" of a gay Sailor finds a longer dikk to suck?

 

[rdean]

I had a woman who worked for me. She spent 20 years in the Army during the days of Don't Ask Don't Tell. I asked her about gays in her unit. There were some, everyone knew who they were. They never caused a problem and got along well with everyone else. Her opinon was that if some of them did not have such intense restraints on their behavior it would have been much different. If she had not already put in her time and got discharged would she have stayed in? No. Not simply because there were gays in the unit, there were always gays in the unit but because the permission they now have in their behavior would not be worth the effort.

Once, I was on CQ duty and one of the guys came in from outside with his shirt pulled out of his pants and carrying his shoes. It was raining a little so I couldn't understand why he was carrying his shoes. He said a girl across the street at ARPAC was hosting a gang bang in the basement and after about 30 bangs someone went downstairs and told them to break it up. So everyone left quickly which is why he was carrying his shoes.

Anyone who thinks sex doesn't happen in the military is crazy.

This one sergeant in my squad brought his wife over one day and she was kind of mousy and shy. A couple of months later, the entire battalion was out on maneuvers but I was back at the barracks because I was recovering from a hernia operation. I walked down to the snack bar (very slowly and slightly hunched over) and this sexy voice said, "Hi Specialist Dean. Remember me?" I turned and it was this guy's wife in shiny hot pants and very high heels, make up, big hair. She was "on the prowl". I had already heard the stories. I didn't believe them before, but then I did.

Take thousands of young people and sex happens. It just does and it always will.

 

[Katzndogz]

It is necessary to force pumishment of straight sailors who reject gay advances. Just like similar groups are used in high schools and colleges now.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Heterosexual intercourse often results in babies. The legitimate concern that women back home, either married or not, who might be incapacitated by having been impregnated by a US Navy Sailor and concern for the baby is the reason that the Navy gets involved with the social life of Sailors. Homosexual sailors don't have that problem. In fact it's freaking impossible for a gay relationship to result in pregnancy. So why should the Navy get involved with homosexual relationships? The gay member back home is probably doing better financially than the gay Sailor. Should the Navy get involved when the "spouse" of a gay Sailor finds a longer dikk to suck?

Actually, it's not for the children, it's for the spouses of the sailors that the Ombudsman groups exist. Many sailors have only a wife if they're lower ranks.

Take your bullshit and shove it up your ass.

 

[whitehall]

Heterosexual intercourse often results in babies. The legitimate concern that women back home, either married or not, who might be incapacitated by having been impregnated by a US Navy Sailor and concern for the baby is the reason that the Navy gets involved with the social life of Sailors. Homosexual sailors don't have that problem. In fact it's freaking impossible for a gay relationship to result in pregnancy. So why should the Navy get involved with homosexual relationships? The gay member back home is probably doing better financially than the gay Sailor. Should the Navy get involved when the "spouse" of a gay Sailor finds a longer dikk to suck?

Actually, it's not for the children, it's for the spouses of the sailors that the Ombudsman groups exist. Many sailors have only a wife if they're lower ranks.

Take your bullshit and shove it up your ass.

Maybe you know more about it from a personal level but I assume that in a male gay relationship the boy back home probably makes a living as well or better than the gay boy in the Navy. There is no way the gay boy back home could end up barefoot and pregnant and since only 7 states allow homosexual marriages there is no legal need for the Navy to interfere in a relationship that literally sucks.

 

[Jroc]

First gay group forms on U.S. military base

A group of about 75 people made history Feb. 13 at the Great Lakes Naval Station, north of Chicago.
It was the first public meeting of Gay, Lesbian and Supporting Sailors ( GLASS ) , believed to be the first non-academy, general base-sanctioned gay support group on any U.S. base in the world.

The Coast Guard can boast of having the first gay-straight alliance at a service academy, and such academies are located on a base.

The GLASS organizational charter was signed Feb. 10, and already other U.S. bases, including in Japan, have asked to see the bylaws to replicate the group in their areas. GLASS is thus an official Chartered organization of Great Lakes Naval Station.

This means that it is given the same weight and attention as the First Class Association, Chief's Mess, or any other Command-sanctioned organization.

GLASS, the brainchild of 25-year-old Petty Officer Ann Foster, got off to an emotional start at the meeting, held on base. Base Commander Robert Sullivan and other officers, sailors, friends, and representatives of LGBT groups celebrated the historic evening.

Members of the Chicago chapter American Veterans for Equal Rights ( Jim Darby, Patrick Bova, Ed Wosylus and Jean Albright, also of Windy City Times ) , PFLAG Chicago ( Meg and Fred Valentini ) and Links Pride Youth ( Tracy Katz Muhl ) addressed the attendees, who then enjoyed a social hour and celebratory cake for the event. There were other community representatives also at the event.

Several of the GLASS members were also at the Equality Illinois gala Feb. 11, and they spoke about how warm and accepting people at the gala were.

BMC Dena Partain, who has been in the Navy 24 years, is mentor and advisor to GLASS. "At the gala, veterans kept coming up to our table," she said, holding back tears. "They were just so happy we were there. … To have that support, I can't even describe it."

Commander Sullivan was proud of the event. "It was great," he said. "It is a good opportunity for those who have not been able to express themselves, to show the military is comprised of a lot of good people. You do your job, and do it well. That is regardless of race, gender or sexual orientation. When we do that, we have a lot better country."

Foster, who is president of GLASS, was inspired to start the group in November after speaking to her roommate, who has a partner and is helping raise her partner's two children, about the lack of resources on base.

"I am overwhelmed," she told the crowd. "A month and a half ago, if you would have told me there would be 75 people, spanning the community, students, officers … . I thought if someone was just 18 and just coming out, I wanted them to have resources."

One of the many straight allies, or "supporting sailors" as the group calls them, FCSA Zachary Quirk, explained why he was involved. He said about his friend FCSN Robert Baumgartner: "If my friend is brave enough to stand up, I'm certainly going to stand up with him."

Foster, who has addressed an estimated 4,000 people during open training sessions, said she has received "nothing but support from the start. From our Facebook page, emails, and every single person who has come out to us …" she said, holding back tears. "The first thing people ask is, how can they help. I could not have done this without others."

Foster is leaving in two weeks for an assignment in San Diego, and she hopes to bring her experience in Illinois to that location. "We have our charter done and signed, all we have to do is take it to other bases." She said her colleague in GLASS, Vice President Beau Brisco, will be bringing the idea to his assignment, in Virginia.

"Never before in the military has this happened," Foster said, and this is indeed believed to be the first such group sanctioned on base. A U.S. Navy spokesperson said she was not aware of any similar group in the Navy. A Pentagon spokesperson said there is not believed to be another such group in any other branch of the military, but they were checking to verify.

OutServe, an association of actively serving LGBT military personnel, has more than 4,500 members worldwide. It launched near the end of DADT, on July 26, 2010, and therefore started during a time when its members could not be out. OutServe now has more than 42 chapters, many that meet on bases. The ones deployed such as in Afghanistan ( can obviously only meet on base )

OutServe spokeswoman Sue Fulton said while OutServe has chapters on bases in all branches of the military, it operates separate from the command structure, although there have been efforts to have some formal recognition. But such recognition would not happen for such an independent organization.

First gay group forms on U.S. military base - 1326 - Gay Lesbian Bi Trans News - Windy City Times

Only time will tell but Greece and Rome did alright.

I don't see the point in forming "gay groups" just go on about your duties like everyone else. They are all soldiers and all the same.

 

[gallantwarrior]

20 years in the Army and we all knew who was gay. It was rare that anyone made a big deal out of it, rare for a gay to make a pass at someone who would not welcome such attention. Guys in the unit stuck up for each other, regardless of sexual preferences. But being gay was not paraded around and shoved in everybody's faces, either, because everyone in the unit knew who would go off the deep end about the issue, too.
My son, who is currently serving in the Army Infantry, has told me that for the most part, most of the gay guys in his unit haven't changed their behavior. They are still Infantry (hoo-rah!). Hang a tie on the door knob if you want your roommate to know you're "getting busy". He has mentioned that a couple of gays have made a big deal out of DADT going away. They want to flaunt their sexuality and have begun to complain that they are being mistreated.
I'm waiting to see what happens when a gay "family" is assigned quarters next door to a regular hetero couple who do not necessarily want to expose their children to the neighbors' alternative lifestyle.

 

[whitehall]

What's the point of a homosexual club in the Navy? Recruit suckers? Get a fresh bunch of freckle faced kids that the pedophiles back home only dream about?

 

[old navy]

20 years in the Army and we all knew who was gay. It was rare that anyone made a big deal out of it, rare for a gay to make a pass at someone who would not welcome such attention. Guys in the unit stuck up for each other, regardless of sexual preferences. But being gay was not paraded around and shoved in everybody's faces, either, because everyone in the unit knew who would go off the deep end about the issue, too.
My son, who is currently serving in the Army Infantry, has told me that for the most part, most of the gay guys in his unit haven't changed their behavior. They are still Infantry (hoo-rah!). Hang a tie on the door knob if you want your roommate to know you're "getting busy". He has mentioned that a couple of gays have made a big deal out of DADT going away. They want to flaunt their sexuality and have begun to complain that they are being mistreated.
I'm waiting to see what happens when a gay "family" is assigned quarters next door to a regular hetero couple who do not necessarily want to expose their children to the neighbors' alternative lifestyle.

This is the next battle that congress will have to deal with. Gays will start putting in for ID card for their partners, housing, and other benefits. These military benefits as well as life and health insurance in the private sector were first put in place years ago to make sure that the women and children were cared for. My first thought is that this should not be an issue as gays can't have kids but alas, there are acquiring them. On 'Modern Family' Wednesday night, the gay couple wanted another kid biologically. Their daughter was adopted. I didn't know whether to laugh or vomit when they described the "Swirl."

 

[Zoom-boing]

Ever stop to think that they formed their own group because they aren't allowed to get married exept in 7 states, thereby making them ineligible for the Ombudsman programs?

Try thinking once in a while.

I figured you would be a member bicycle/sailor. I remember when a Sailor spent his time in port trying to get laid or get drunk. I wasn't aware that they were really looking for an "ombudsman".

Actually, the Ombudsman program is a liasion between the homeport and the ship when it's deployed. If something goes wrong at home, they can call the command Ombudsman and they can get a radio message out to wherever the service member is, as well as provide assistance via Navy Relief if there are finances involved.

Like I said, it's a hetero support group for spouses. Why shouldn't the gays have something like that as well? It could be a possibility that the dude in the civilian clothes was the gay Ombudsman for the command.

How is the Ombudsman program a 'hextero' support group? If it's a liaison between the homeport and the ship, wouldn't they contact the ship if something happened to anyone's 'people/person' back home?

I assume the 'spouses association' is specifically for married people? What about gays who are married? Are they excluded from joining the s.a.?

 

[Warrior102]

I had a woman who worked for me. She spent 20 years in the Army during the days of Don't Ask Don't Tell. I asked her about gays in her unit. There were some, everyone knew who they were. They never caused a problem and got along well with everyone else. Her opinon was that if some of them did not have such intense restraints on their behavior it would have been much different. If she had not already put in her time and got discharged would she have stayed in? No. Not simply because there were gays in the unit, there were always gays in the unit but because the permission they now have in their behavior would not be worth the effort.

So, you're using second hand information from ONE source, and you've never served.

No wonder you said this stupid statement.............

Quote: Originally Posted by Katzndogz
Anything that fractures the military like it has fractured civillians will ultimately bring us toward the end game.

I can tell you from 20 years of personal experience, both before, and during DADT, that NOT allowing them to serve openly did more damage, and in most cases, towards the end of the 90's, a lot of them who were gay DID let some of their comrades know they were gay and it had NO IMPACT on unit cohesion.

Wanna try again stupid?

You served for 20 years and didn't make Chief.
Says a lot - stupid.
And don't give me you were in a tough rate, and all that CREO shit.
When I made Senior Chief in 13 years, I was 2 of 2 - NAVYWIDE in my rate who made it that year.
You were simply a lazy, non-performer, didn't stand head-and-shoulders above your peers, shithead/fuck-up.