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62 fires in Washington, Idaho, Nevada, Oregon, and California. One already covering nearly 700 square miles. And the high pressure just seems stuck. More heat for another 5 days, at least, and some dry lightning storms predicted for the South Cascades.

Just as predicted by climate scientists over two decades ago.

Here's a somewhat more recent but very accurate prediction of what is happening now from nine years ago.

Early Warning Signs of Global Warming: Droughts and Fires
Union of Concerned Scientists
Nov 10, 2003
(excerpt)

Warmer global temperatures are expected to cause an intensification of the hydrologic cycle, with increased evaporation over both land and water. The higher evaporation rates will lead to greater drying of soils and vegetation, especially during the warm season. Climate models also project changes in the distribution and timing of rainfall. The combination of a decrease in summer rainfall and increased evaporation will lead to more severe and longer-lasting droughts in some areas. Increasing drought frequency has the potential to affect land-based natural and managed ecosystems, coastal systems, and both freshwater quality and quantity. Increasing drought frequency also has the potential to increase the likelihood of wildfires.


And here's something especially for the denier cult retards who like to smear an eminent and much honored climate scientist, Dr.James Hansen, and claim that climate science predictions from the 1980's were false. LOL. The only 'false-ness' in those predictions is that they were largely underestimating how fast climate change would happen and how bad things would get by now.

Droughts show global warming is 'scientific fact'
NASA researcher's study 'reframes the question,' UVic professor says

The Associated Press
Posted: Aug 4, 2012
(excerpt)

In a landmark 1988 study, Hansen predicted that if greenhouse gas emissions continue, which they have, Washington, D.C., would have about nine days each year of 35 C or warmer in the decade of the 2010s. So far this year, with about four more weeks of summer, the city has had 23 days with the temperature reaching at least 35 C.

You don't think it is partly due to the Forest Services active policies of extinguishing fires immediately rather than allow Forests to exist naturally, and burn off dead vegetation through acts of God such as lightning strikes? No... It's gotta be Man made Global Warming... Sure thing.

When the percentage of moisture in the trees and brush gets as low as it has in New Mexico and Colorado, among other places, whether there is more or less underbrush is irrelevent. Once a fire starts, it will crown, and if there is a wind, there is no stopping it until the weather changes, or it burns itself out of fuel.
 
Just as predicted by climate scientists over two decades ago.

Here's a somewhat more recent but very accurate prediction of what is happening now from nine years ago.

Early Warning Signs of Global Warming: Droughts and Fires
Union of Concerned Scientists
Nov 10, 2003
(excerpt)

Warmer global temperatures are expected to cause an intensification of the hydrologic cycle, with increased evaporation over both land and water. The higher evaporation rates will lead to greater drying of soils and vegetation, especially during the warm season. Climate models also project changes in the distribution and timing of rainfall. The combination of a decrease in summer rainfall and increased evaporation will lead to more severe and longer-lasting droughts in some areas. Increasing drought frequency has the potential to affect land-based natural and managed ecosystems, coastal systems, and both freshwater quality and quantity. Increasing drought frequency also has the potential to increase the likelihood of wildfires.


And here's something especially for the denier cult retards who like to smear an eminent and much honored climate scientist, Dr.James Hansen, and claim that climate science predictions from the 1980's were false. LOL. The only 'false-ness' in those predictions is that they were largely underestimating how fast climate change would happen and how bad things would get by now.

Droughts show global warming is 'scientific fact'
NASA researcher's study 'reframes the question,' UVic professor says

The Associated Press
Posted: Aug 4, 2012
(excerpt)

In a landmark 1988 study, Hansen predicted that if greenhouse gas emissions continue, which they have, Washington, D.C., would have about nine days each year of 35 C or warmer in the decade of the 2010s. So far this year, with about four more weeks of summer, the city has had 23 days with the temperature reaching at least 35 C.

You don't think it is partly due to the Forest Services active policies of extinguishing fires immediately rather than allow Forests to exist naturally, and burn off dead vegetation through acts of God such as lightning strikes? No... It's gotta be Man made Global Warming... Sure thing.

When the percentage of moisture in the trees and brush gets as low as it has in New Mexico and Colorado, among other places, whether there is more or less underbrush is irrelevent. Once a fire starts, it will crown, and if there is a wind, there is no stopping it until the weather changes, or it burns itself out of fuel.







Geee, let's look at historical records shall we? Three winters in a row where there was higher than normal precip. What does rain do? Oh yeah it makes things grow! Then a season of dry. What happens then? Oh yeah fires break out. Then what happens again? Oh yeah, after the wildfires rains comea again and you get huge mud slides all over the west.

How long has that been going on olfraud? C'mon, you're supposedly old enough to rememebr something, so tell us how long has that cycle been going on?
 
Walleyes, once again you flap-yap with nothing at all to back up your assertations. The people in charge of fighting the fires have stated that the fires that they are fighting are now bigger, with much greater intensity, than they have seen before. Not just in the US, either. In Europe, Australia, Russia, and Asian nations.


Wildfire risk: insurers feeling the heat? - Environment - Lloyd's

Smith says that underwriters who continue to rely on traditional risk assessment and pricing methods based on past experience - unaware of such climate-driven developments - could under-price the risk.

“The basic insurance business model is [that] you diversify by writing different, uncorrelated risks, which allows you to take the occasional big loss," says Smith. "But it appears climate change is creating a correlation between large risks, for example causing more frequent and intense storms and wildfires. That could have big implications on insurers’ capital.”

At least eight Russian firefighters died during a wildfire in southern Siberia earlier in 2012. They were part of a team of firefighting parachutists flown in to tackle a massive blaze in the Russian republic of Tuva, which borders Mongolia.

At the same time, authorities in Greece were battling wildfires in several locations near the capital Athens. The biggest fire was reported to be near the town of Keratea, 50 km (30 miles) south of Athens.

In addition, earlier this year, multiple forest fires ravaged large areas of central and southern Chile.

According to Smith, heightened wildfire risk is an important aspect of climate change that insurers and insurance buyers in exposed areas need to adapt to: “It is worrying that the areas at increased risk are often areas of population growth and economic development.”
 
Walleyes, once again you flap-yap with nothing at all to back up your assertations. The people in charge of fighting the fires have stated that the fires that they are fighting are now bigger, with much greater intensity, than they have seen before. Not just in the US, either. In Europe, Australia, Russia, and Asian nations.


Wildfire risk: insurers feeling the heat? - Environment - Lloyd's

Smith says that underwriters who continue to rely on traditional risk assessment and pricing methods based on past experience - unaware of such climate-driven developments - could under-price the risk.

“The basic insurance business model is [that] you diversify by writing different, uncorrelated risks, which allows you to take the occasional big loss," says Smith. "But it appears climate change is creating a correlation between large risks, for example causing more frequent and intense storms and wildfires. That could have big implications on insurers’ capital.”

At least eight Russian firefighters died during a wildfire in southern Siberia earlier in 2012. They were part of a team of firefighting parachutists flown in to tackle a massive blaze in the Russian republic of Tuva, which borders Mongolia.

At the same time, authorities in Greece were battling wildfires in several locations near the capital Athens. The biggest fire was reported to be near the town of Keratea, 50 km (30 miles) south of Athens.

In addition, earlier this year, multiple forest fires ravaged large areas of central and southern Chile.

According to Smith, heightened wildfire risk is an important aspect of climate change that insurers and insurance buyers in exposed areas need to adapt to: “It is worrying that the areas at increased risk are often areas of population growth and economic development.”





Whaaaaa? As Jon Stewart would say. How then, do you explain the recent study that showed fires today were pretty much the same as those of old? Now I disagree with the conclusions they came to that said fire abatement policies were unneccessary, but their research shows that the wildfires of today are no different from those of old.

But once again, you rely on faith and not science for your beliefs.
 
Walleyes, once again you flap-yap with nothing at all to back up your assertations. The people in charge of fighting the fires have stated that the fires that they are fighting are now bigger, with much greater intensity, than they have seen before. Not just in the US, either. In Europe, Australia, Russia, and Asian nations.


Wildfire risk: insurers feeling the heat? - Environment - Lloyd's

Smith says that underwriters who continue to rely on traditional risk assessment and pricing methods based on past experience - unaware of such climate-driven developments - could under-price the risk.

“The basic insurance business model is [that] you diversify by writing different, uncorrelated risks, which allows you to take the occasional big loss," says Smith. "But it appears climate change is creating a correlation between large risks, for example causing more frequent and intense storms and wildfires. That could have big implications on insurers’ capital.”

At least eight Russian firefighters died during a wildfire in southern Siberia earlier in 2012. They were part of a team of firefighting parachutists flown in to tackle a massive blaze in the Russian republic of Tuva, which borders Mongolia.

At the same time, authorities in Greece were battling wildfires in several locations near the capital Athens. The biggest fire was reported to be near the town of Keratea, 50 km (30 miles) south of Athens.

In addition, earlier this year, multiple forest fires ravaged large areas of central and southern Chile.

According to Smith, heightened wildfire risk is an important aspect of climate change that insurers and insurance buyers in exposed areas need to adapt to: “It is worrying that the areas at increased risk are often areas of population growth and economic development.”
Whaaaaa? As Jon Stewart would say. How then, do you explain the recent study that showed fires today were pretty much the same as those of old? Now I disagree with the conclusions they came to that said fire abatement policies were unneccessary, but their research shows that the wildfires of today are no different from those of old.

But once again, you rely on faith and not science for your beliefs.
It's hard to respond or explain anything if you are too retarded to post the link to your supposed "study". Of course, what we all tend to assume, knowing you, is that you just made that up and there is no such "study".
 
Walleyes, once again you flap-yap with nothing at all to back up your assertations. The people in charge of fighting the fires have stated that the fires that they are fighting are now bigger, with much greater intensity, than they have seen before. Not just in the US, either. In Europe, Australia, Russia, and Asian nations.


Wildfire risk: insurers feeling the heat? - Environment - Lloyd's

Smith says that underwriters who continue to rely on traditional risk assessment and pricing methods based on past experience - unaware of such climate-driven developments - could under-price the risk.

“The basic insurance business model is [that] you diversify by writing different, uncorrelated risks, which allows you to take the occasional big loss," says Smith. "But it appears climate change is creating a correlation between large risks, for example causing more frequent and intense storms and wildfires. That could have big implications on insurers’ capital.”

At least eight Russian firefighters died during a wildfire in southern Siberia earlier in 2012. They were part of a team of firefighting parachutists flown in to tackle a massive blaze in the Russian republic of Tuva, which borders Mongolia.

At the same time, authorities in Greece were battling wildfires in several locations near the capital Athens. The biggest fire was reported to be near the town of Keratea, 50 km (30 miles) south of Athens.

In addition, earlier this year, multiple forest fires ravaged large areas of central and southern Chile.

According to Smith, heightened wildfire risk is an important aspect of climate change that insurers and insurance buyers in exposed areas need to adapt to: “It is worrying that the areas at increased risk are often areas of population growth and economic development.”
Whaaaaa? As Jon Stewart would say. How then, do you explain the recent study that showed fires today were pretty much the same as those of old? Now I disagree with the conclusions they came to that said fire abatement policies were unneccessary, but their research shows that the wildfires of today are no different from those of old.

But once again, you rely on faith and not science for your beliefs.
It's hard to respond or explain anything if you are too retarded to post the link to your supposed "study". Of course, what we all tend to assume, knowing you, is that you just made that up and there is no such "study".



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CO2 causes forest fires.

I had no idea.

That first line is really retarded, as usual for you.

That second line is about the only accurate thing you've ever said. I don't think any ideas ever penetrate your little pea-brain.

CO2 is not a proximate cause of forest fires, nitwit. CO2 is a direct cause of global warming. Global warming changes the climate patterns. As the climate scientists predicted long ago, the American southwest and some other parts of the country are being driven into a deeper drought cycle. Less moisture and higher temperatures are making the probability of serious forest fires higher than they used to be. The Forest Service has studied the history of forest fires in this country and they found that there are both more and bigger fires now. There are maybe other reinforcing causes out there that contribute to this increase but the warming and drought are the major triggers for the increased incidence of very large fires.
 
CO2 causes forest fires.

I had no idea.

That first line is really retarded, as usual for you.

That second line is about the only accurate thing you've ever said. I don't think any ideas ever penetrate your little pea-brain.

CO2 is not a proximate cause of forest fires, nitwit. CO2 is a direct cause of global warming. Global warming changes the climate patterns. As the climate scientists predicted long ago, the American southwest and some other parts of the country are being driven into a deeper drought cycle. Less moisture and higher temperatures are making the probability of serious forest fires higher than they used to be. The Forest Service has studied the history of forest fires in this country and they found that there are both more and bigger fires now. There are maybe other reinforcing causes out there that contribute to this increase but the warming and drought are the major triggers for the increased incidence of very large fires.



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Just a preliminary note:
Sane people who understand what is going on with the climate point to scientific research on the subject
Insane people who are clueless about what is happening spam cartoons.


Back to reality -
The increased incidence of wildfires is not something that has just been noticed now.

Does Global Warming Increase Forest Fires?
July 7, 2006
(excerpt)

New research published this week in the journal Science says that global warming may be causing more intense wildfires in the western United States. The researchers found that increases in large wildfire activity in the western United States over the past 25 years is "strongly associated with increased spring and summer temperatures and an earlier spring snowmelt."


Global Warming Linked to Increase in U.S. Forest Fires
May 25, 2007
(excerpts)

Forest fires in the Western United States have occurred more frequently, burned longer, and covered more acres since 1987—and global warming is a big part of the underlying cause—according to a research paper published in July 2006 by the journal Science. Researchers at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography and the University of Arizona found four times as many large wildfires occurred in Western forests between 1987 and 2003 compared to the previous 16 years. The more recent fires burned 6.5 more land, the average duration of the fires increased from 7.8 to 37 days, and the overall fire season during those years grew by an average of 78 days. Those changes corresponded to an average 1.5-degree rise in temperature throughout the American West during the same time period. According to the study, the first to link global warming to wildfires, the warmer temperatures due to climate change have led to longer, drier seasons, creating ideal conditions for forest fires.
 
Well, you know.....globalwarmingclimatechangeglobalclimatedisruption is the proximal cause for every ill that affects the world. Hard to believe, I know, but the AGW cult has deemed it so.
 
Well, you know.....globalwarmingclimatechangeglobalclimatedisruption is the proximal cause for every ill that affects the world. Hard to believe, I know, but the AGW cult has deemed it so.

False, as usual for you, walleyedretard. That is just another of your braindead denier cult propaganda memes. Global warming and its consequent climate changes are indeed causing a multitude of effects all around the world but your puerile exaggerations just highlight your own idiocy and cluelessness.
 
CO2 causes forest fires.

I had no idea.

That first line is really retarded, as usual for you.

That second line is about the only accurate thing you've ever said. I don't think any ideas ever penetrate your little pea-brain.

CO2 is not a proximate cause of forest fires, nitwit. CO2 is a direct cause of global warming. Global warming changes the climate patterns. As the climate scientists predicted long ago, the American southwest and some other parts of the country are being driven into a deeper drought cycle. Less moisture and higher temperatures are making the probability of serious forest fires higher than they used to be. The Forest Service has studied the history of forest fires in this country and they found that there are both more and bigger fires now. There are maybe other reinforcing causes out there that contribute to this increase but the warming and drought are the major triggers for the increased incidence of very large fires.

CO2 is the direct cause of Global Warming...and you can show us in a lab how a 5ppm increase in CO2 the last few years will ignite forest fires, right?
 
Forest fires naturally occur in healthy forests. They are not new. The size and ferocity of forest fires today are new. They were made worse than they would normally have been because of EPA rules. One is that dead brush could not be cleared away. Trees killled by the Bark Beetle should remain. There should be no efforts to contain or eradicate the Bark Beetle because they are naturally occurring. Fires, no matter how small should be put out immediately.
 
If forest fires were allowed to return to a state of normalcy, the bark beetle wouldn't be a problem. Their colonies would be wiped out in the fires instead of being allowed to spread.
 
If forest fires were allowed to return to a state of normalcy, the bark beetle wouldn't be a problem. Their colonies would be wiped out in the fires instead of being allowed to spread.

That's some really, really ignorant drivel there, dude.

The fact is the bark beetles are spreading so far so fast because of global warming.

Discovery of pine beetles breeding twice in a year helps explain increasing damage, CU researchers say
University of Colorado
March 14, 2012
(excerpts)

Long thought to produce only one generation of tree-killing offspring annually, some populations of mountain pine beetles now produce two generations per year, dramatically increasing the potential for the bugs to kill lodgepole and ponderosa pine trees, University of Colorado Boulder researchers have found. Because of the extra annual generation of beetles, there could be up to 60 times as many beetles attacking trees in any given year, their study found. And in response to warmer temperatures at high elevations, pine beetles also are better able to survive and attack trees that haven’t previously developed defenses. These are among the key findings of Jeffry Mitton, a CU-Boulder professor of ecology and evolutionary biology, and Scott Ferrenberg, a graduate student in that department. The study is being published this month in The American Naturalist.

This exponential increase in the beetle population might help to explain the scope of the current beetle epidemic, which is the largest in history and extends from the Sangre de Cristo Mountains in New Mexico to the Yukon Territory near Alaska. “This thing is immense,” Mitton said. The duo’s research, conducted in 2009 and 2010 at CU’s Mountain Research Station, located about 25 miles west of Boulder, helps explain why. “We followed them through the summer, and we saw something that had never been seen before,” Mitton said. “Adults that were newly laid eggs two months before were going out and attacking trees” -- in the same year. Normally, mountain pine beetles spend a winter as larvae in trees before emerging as adults the following summer.

These effects may be particularly pronounced at higher elevations, where warmer temperatures have facilitated beetle attacks. In the last two decades at the Mountain Research Station, mean annual temperatures were 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than they were in the previous two decades. Warmer temperatures gave the beetle larvae more spring days to grow to adulthood. The number of spring days above freezing temperatures increased by 15.1 in the last two decades, Mitton and Ferrenberg report. Also, the number of days that were warm enough for the beetles to grow increased by 44 percent since 1970. The Mountain Research Station site is about 10,000 feet in elevation, 1,000 feet higher than the beetles have historically thrived. In their study, Mitton and Ferrenberg emphasize this anomaly. “While our study is limited in area, it was completed in a site that was characterized as climatically unsuitable for (mountain pine beetle) development by the U.S. Forest Service only three decades ago,” they write. But in 25 years, the beetles have expanded their range 2,000 feet higher in elevation and 240 miles north in latitude in Canada, Mitton said.
 
Burning them out would end the colonies.

We just went through that a couple of years ago in Crestline! The bark beetle was protected by the EPA, the EPA refused to allow the infested trees to be removed, not even on private property.
 
Burning them out would end the colonies.
You'd have to burn almost every tree, nitwit. You want to save the forests from the bark beetle by burning down all of the forests? You are obviously extremely retarded.





We just went through that a couple of years ago in Crestline! The bark beetle was protected by the EPA, the EPA refused to allow the infested trees to be removed, not even on private property.
Total bullshyt, retard. The EPA doesn't "protect" the bark beetle, they encourage removal of infected trees and the use of insecticides. You are very confused and misinformed.

EPA - Verbenone


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRSR5L5e28g"]Mountain Pine Beetle: A Climate Change Catastrophe[/ame]
 
Burning them out would end the colonies.
You'd have to burn almost every tree, nitwit. You want to save the forests from the bark beetle by burning down all of the forests? You are obviously extremely retarded.





We just went through that a couple of years ago in Crestline! The bark beetle was protected by the EPA, the EPA refused to allow the infested trees to be removed, not even on private property.
Total bullshyt, retard. The EPA doesn't "protect" the bark beetle, they encourage removal of infected trees and the use of insecticides. You are very confused and misinformed.

EPA - Verbenone


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRSR5L5e28g"]Mountain Pine Beetle: A Climate Change Catastrophe[/ame]



So s0n..........how does CO2 effect my Zippo lighter???:eusa_think:
 

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