Finland: Government Collapses Over Universal Health Care Costs

[karpenter]

This had almost nothing to do with their health care. It's a political move so that they can consolidate with other groups and stay in power. If they are in power, they have to go it alone and the other side has more than an even chance of defeating them. By resigning, they can align with other groups and have a much better standing.

This is made up news about the health care being the main reason. It was an excuse to resign, nothing more. It just looked better to the public.

That's Not What The Article I Read Seemed To Say
Maybe Your Extrapolating On Your Own

Finland Bailed On Their Universal Income Experiment Last Year
Couldn't Afford That Either

Single Payer Flopped In VT Too
Bernie Says:
"I'm Not In The Vermont Legislature"
Oh, That Explains Why It Bombed
He'll Be The Only One In The World That Will Get It Right
If We'll Only Make Him President
After All, He Has A Poli-Sci Degree...

What Was Deceptively Called "Romney Care"
Was A Failure In Mass. Also

I See Dem's On Capital Hill
Want To Extend Asylum To The Population Of Venezuela
I Think You Folks Should Emigrate To Venezuela
And FIX IT
Before Anymore Talk About Fixing US

You'll Have A Clean Slate There To Start With
And Can Show US How You'll Be
The Only Ones In History
That Could Do Socialism "The Right Way"

 

[depotoo]

You are wrong.

Finland's Elderly Care Crisis | News Now Finland
Other govt members are not willing to make the reforms needed, thus they resigned. This is at least 3 times different times govt parties have tried to put in place reforms are needed. Sounds like Helsinki, which gets the most funding has really worked to keep reform from happening.

“Similar problems are bedeviling Sweden and Denmark, two other countries frequently held up as models to follow on health care”

Let’s be more like Europe the Left say!

Finnish Government Collapses Due to Rising Cost of Universal Health Care

This had almost nothing to do with their health care. It's a political move so that they can consolidate with other groups and stay in power. If they are in power, they have to go it alone and the other side has more than an even chance of defeating them. By resigning, they can align with other groups and have a much better standing.

This is made up news about the health care being the main reason. It was an excuse to resign, nothing more. It just looked better to the public.

 

[karpenter]

You are wrong.

Finland's Elderly Care Crisis | News Now Finland
Other govt members are not willing to make the reforms needed, thus they resigned. This is at least 3 times different times govt parties have tried to put in place reforms are needed. Sounds like Helsinki, which gets the most funding has really worked to keep reform from happening.

This had almost nothing to do with their health care. It's a political move so that they can consolidate with other groups and stay in power. If they are in power, they have to go it alone and the other side has more than an even chance of defeating them. By resigning, they can align with other groups and have a much better standing.

When Your News Outlets Refuse To Report
What They Don't Want Their Audience To Know

It's Called "Propaganda"

 

[Yarddog]

“Similar problems are bedeviling Sweden and Denmark, two other countries frequently held up as models to follow on health care”

Let’s be more like Europe the Left say!

Finnish Government Collapses Due to Rising Cost of Universal Health Care

Well, there's a simple fix... they just need to tax the billionaires 90%. I'm sure Finland must have lots of em.

 

[karpenter]

Well, there's a simple fix... they just need to tax the billionaires 90%. I'm sure Finland must have lots of em.

Hang-ing On
In Quiet Des-per-a-tion
Is. The. Finnish Way...

 

[Daryl Hunt]

“Similar problems are bedeviling Sweden and Denmark, two other countries frequently held up as models to follow on health care”

Let’s be more like Europe the Left say!

Finnish Government Collapses Due to Rising Cost of Universal Health Care

This had almost nothing to do with their health care. It's a political move so that they can consolidate with other groups and stay in power. If they are in power, they have to go it alone and the other side has more than an even chance of defeating them. By resigning, they can align with other groups and have a much better standing.

This is made up news about the health care being the main reason. It was an excuse to resign, nothing more. It just looked better to the public.

Yeah right, it can never be the cost of universal health care that is the problem. Never. That would mean socialists and liberals would have to admit they were wrong, and as this forum shows, they are incapable of that.

It wasn't the laws that are in place. It was the proposals that they wanted to present that is so unfavorable.

You have no idea how their form of government works. They have a different structure than we have. They have a President and a Supreme Court that stayed on. That means the Administration and the Courts continued. The Government didn't shut down at all. The Ruling Majority resigned. The Ruling Majority is under the Prime Minister. The Ruling Party controls their form of Congress. It would be like our Congress,and both the Senate Majority Leader and Speaker of the House resigning. After each election, the ruling party gets to decide who gets to make the laws and appoint the Prime Minister. If they change from one ruling party to another, the old ruling party must resign. Just because they resigned a few days early doesn't have any affect on how the country runs. As the article said, the country is still solvent and the operations of the country are totally unaffected. Yes, Dorathy, even the universal healthcare they already have is working just fine.

 

[karpenter]

You have no idea how their form of government works.
They have a different structure than we have

It's Called "Parliamentary"
We Know How Parliamentary Gov't Works
And The United States
Is The Only Bi-Cameral Republic On Earth

Try Again
Better Yet, Get Back On Topic
You've Been Wrong From Post #6

 

[cnm]

Is The Only Bi-Cameral Republic On Earth

Rightard knowledge. It's extensive, the only problem is so much of what it knows is not so.

France's upper house called the Senate meet in the Luxembourg Palace (top), while the lower house, the National Assembly, meets at the Palais Bourbon (bottom).
Many bicameral countries like the Netherlands, the Philippines, the Czech Republic, the Republic of Ireland and Romania are examples of bicameral systems existing in unitary states. In countries such as these, the upper house generally focuses on scrutinizing and possibly vetoing the decisions of the lower house.
Bicameralism - Wikipedia​

 

[karpenter]

Is The Only Bi-Cameral Republic On Earth

Rightard knowledge. It's extensive, the only problem is so much of what it knows is not so.

And Finland Is Still Parliamentary
And We Know How Parliaments Work
Which Was The Poster's Supposed "Point"

Stop Trying To Change The Subject
Finland Is Falling Apart Like The USSR
Venezuela, Greece, Portugal And Spain Already Have
With More To Come
Because Of Leftist Socialist Experiments

 

[cnm]

But you can't be taken seriously, you've shown you know nothing yet will make up anything. Going by your history on this thread I'd say it's extremely likely you haven't a clue as to how Parliaments work.

 

[bullwinkle]

And for some crazy reason after they sort it out they'll still be using universal healthcare.

Yeah, maybe. But the point remains that they are still going broke, still having huge budget problems, and still having to try and fix it.

I thought the left-wingers told us that if we had Nordic style health care, that it would be a utopia. Where is it?

and let us also look at the taxes over there.

A person earning just $48,000 a year, pays 21% in income tax, and 16% to 22% depending on what specific municipality you are in.

In short, the middle class pays a minimum tax of 37% in taxes, and as high as 43%.

Keep in mind that doesn't include the 24% sales tax. So what little money you have left over, you get to pay a massive sales tax on everything you buy.

Also keep in mind that high taxes on Finland's employers, results in lower pay to employees. The average Finnish worker earns about 10% less money for the same job, as their US counterparts.

TO THE POINT.....

With all this money collected by the government, shouldn't that have unlimited money to spend on health care?

And yet they don't. Are you getting the picture sparky? Your system doesn't work.

If it did, Finland should not be even having this discussion.

And yet the issue is reform, not dump completely. Reform is a constant process. When we learned lead in gas or in tin cans was deadly, did we stop driving or storing in cans, or did we find another way...over time. When kids PJs were highly flammable, did kids stop wearing bed clothes? Andy, there MUST be a better way than a system where healthcare either denies or impoverishes a significant portion of a nation's citizens.

America was promised reform too, remember? I think it's what you voted for. Or did you realize that campaign promise was code for as fake as wall funding?

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

And for some crazy reason after they sort it out they'll still be using universal healthcare.

Can you blame them? Have WE ever abandoned a government program once instituted?

 

[Weatherman2020]

And for some crazy reason after they sort it out they'll still be using universal healthcare.

By letting undesirables die on the table.

I doubt it.

Europe is already killing off those they deem unworthy of life.

 

[Weatherman2020]

“Similar problems are bedeviling Sweden and Denmark, two other countries frequently held up as models to follow on health care”

Let’s be more like Europe the Left say!

Finnish Government Collapses Due to Rising Cost of Universal Health Care

Hey weather...Try this one: Finland’s Government Resigns After Failure of Flagship Health and Social Care Reforms

This article said something completely different than the Washington Beacon. They say first that the government is NOT collapsing, and second that the reason for the anger against the government is because the resigning party wanted to REFORM the current healthcare system, mainly because the population is aging and trouble will hit in about 2030.

Same incident, opposing rationalizations.

Same issue. Government healthcare is unsustainable.

 

[The Original Tree]

Due to forced Immigration to Sweeden by The EU of Jihadists, Sweeden's Social Services Expenditures are now more than their National Defense Expenditures.

 

[The Original Tree]

• Universal Health Care and Illegal Immigration are Incompatible.
• Universal Health Care and a Large Welfare State are Incompatible
• Universal Health Care and the forced Migration by THE EU of Islamic Refugees in to a Heterogenius Nation is Incompatible.

Finland is struggling because Finland now has to support people that were forcibly forced upon them by The EU.

 

[The Original Tree]

Scandinavian countries..sadly ... have absorbed globalism so deeply ....

I wonder if its in their genes to like to be fucked by other cultures

Are they really such imbeciles???

and ...

if they are

they deserve everything they get.

Everything to the last drop of suffering.

A lot of these countries like Finland and Sweeden did not have a choice because of EU membership forced it on them.

Doesn't anyone think it's strange that we have had millions upon millions of Jihadist Refugees Migrated to Europe, instead of being hosted in Rich Islamic Nations, like Dubai and Saudi Arabia, and these populations were strategically placed in Homogenius Nations, like Denmark, Finland, Sweeden, Norway etc., almost like an intentional assault on their genetic identity, their National Identity, and at the same time, here in The US, Obama strategically placed large pockets of Islamic Jihadists in American Cities and areas that were 50-50 Democrat-Republican, and Blue Color, and now these places look like Somalia now, even with all the signage, and No English can be found?

This is how you get Congresswomen like Talib and Ohmar.

The reason I even bring this up is that Islamic Law states that it is Islamic Nations that should be providing Asylum to Muslims in distress, not European Nations. So I have to ask, why isn't Islam living by that Tenet of Islam? Why aren't all these Islamic refugees being hosted in Islamic Nations?

Western Law and Societal Rules are incompatible with Islam, and Islamic People Usually need to be under the thumb of an Iron Fist & Islamic Law to maintain Order.

This is why we are seeing a Crime Wave in Europe, and why we in the United States have huge spikes in Crime and Drug use in large cities with large illegal immigrant and refugee populations. Foreign Nationals do not often understand, and do not often want to integrate and assimilate in to their host country cultures.

 

[Fugazi]

So if I understand this correct, Finland is an example of the inevitable collapse of an economy due to socialism, in part, because of free healthcare to it's population.
The USA on the other hand, is a shining beacon of capitalism, in part, because everyone has to pay their own way.

Why is it then, that Finland has a debt, per person, of $24,000, with a yearly increase of the debt of 1.5%, and the USA has a debt, per person, of $50,000, with a yearly increase of 9.9%.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You have no idea how their form of government works.
They have a different structure than we have

It's Called "Parliamentary"
We Know How Parliamentary Gov't Works
And The United States
Is The Only Bi-Cameral Republic On Earth

Try Again
Better Yet, Get Back On Topic
You've Been Wrong From Post #6

Instead of addressing how I am wrong you just play this game and state "You are Wrong'. Tells me you are still playing partisan politics which has no meaning and no truths in it.

 

[2aguy]

What I think is sad, is the fact that this country won't learn from their mistakes...

I guess they don't think it's a mistake.

The democrats didn't think it was a mistake when they owned slaves......socialists, democrats never understand their mistakes.