Finding common ground

[P@triot]

What a great approach here by liberal Mark Duplass. And he found the perfect bedfellow in Glenn Beck who has been preaching about this same thing for several years now. I wonder if America can start a movement to bridge the divide.

Self-professed ‘Hollywood Libtard’ Discovers Common Ground With Conservative

 

[ScienceRocks]

If you can agree that education, science and some infrastructure investment is ok. Then you will find that I can agree with quite a few conservative values...

 

[P@triot]

If you can agree that education, science and some infrastructure investment is ok. Then you will find that I can agree with quite a few conservative values...

If you will agree that none of those things should be handled by the federal government per the U.S. Constitution, then you'll have no arguments from me.

Education is a state issue. Ask your state to invest in it. Infrastructure is a state issue. Ask your state to invest in it. Science should be funded by the private sector - but unless your state constitution specifically limits your state, ask your state to invest in it.

 

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We are the UNITED States of America for a reason, dumbass.

 

[EverCurious]

By the 1770s, thirteen British colonies contained two and a half million people along the Atlantic coast east of the Appalachian Mountains. After the end of the French and Indian Wars in the 1760s, the British government imposed a series of new taxes, rejecting the colonists' argument that any new taxes had to be approved by them (see Stamp Act 1765). Tax resistance, especially the Boston Tea Party (1773), led to punitive laws (the Intolerable Acts) by Parliament designed to end self-government in Massachusetts. American Patriots (as they called themselves) adhered to a political ideology called republicanism that emphasized civic duty, virtue, and opposition to corruption, fancy luxuries and aristocracy.

Armed conflict began in 1775 as Patriots drove the royal officials out of every colony and assembled in mass meetings and conventions. In 1776, the Second Continental Congress declared that there was a new, independent nation, the United States of America, not just a collection of disparate colonies. With large-scale military and financial support from France and the military leadership of General George Washington, the American Patriots won the Revolutionary War.

~ Wiki

 

[there4eyeM]

Common ground might begin with the agreement that:
- all humans are genetically related and constitute a scientifically proven family.
- creativity and enjoying life are the highest human aspirations.
- the world is not the same at the beginning of the twenty-first century as at the end of the eighteenth.
- words are symbols, inventions of human beings, and, thus, totally subjective in meaning.
- power corrupts and can only be granted carefully to those who merit trust.
- money is a tool, not an end in itself and not true 'wealth'.
- religion is a personal choice and faith cannot be forced upon others.

 

[EverCurious]

Sorry lag cut off the rest of my post before someone else jumped in heh

The Second Continental Congress would meet on May 10, 1775, to plan further responses if the British government had not repealed or modified the Coercive Acts.

By the time the Second Continental Congress met, the American Revolutionary War had already started with the Battles of Lexington and Concord. The Congress was to take charge of the war effort. For the first few months of the struggle, the Patriots had carried on their struggle in an ad-hoc and uncoordinated manner. They had seized arsenals, driven out royal officials, and besieged the British army in the city of Boston. On June 14, 1775, the Congress voted to create the Continental Army out of the militia units around Boston and quickly appointed Congressman George Washington of Virginia as commanding general of the Continental Army.[6] On July 6, 1775 Congress approved a Declaration of Causes outlining the rationale and necessity for taking up arms in the Thirteen Colonies."[7] On July 8, Congress extended the Olive Branch Petition to the British Crown as a final attempt at reconciliation. However, it was received too late to do any good. Silas Deane was sent to France as a minister (ambassador) of the Congress. American ports were reopened in defiance of the British Navigation Acts.

Although it had no explicit legal authority to govern,[8] it assumed all the functions of a national government, such as appointing ambassadors, signing treaties, raising armies, appointing generals, obtaining loans from Europe, issuing paper money (called "Continentals"), and disbursing funds. The Congress had no authority to levy taxes, and was required to request money, supplies, and troops from the states to support the war effort. Individual states frequently ignored these requests. According to historian Alexander Johnston, commenting on the source of the Congress' power:

The appointment of the delegates to both these congresses was generally by popular conventions, though in some instances by state assemblies. But in neither case can the appointing body be considered the original depository of the power by which the delegates acted; for the conventions were either self-appointed "committees of safety" or hastily assembled popular gatherings, including but a small fraction of the population to be represented, and the state assemblies had no right to surrender to another body one atom of the power which had been granted to them, or to create a new power which should govern the people without their will. The source of the powers of congress is to be sought solely in the acquiescence of the people, without which every congressional resolution, with or without the benediction of popular conventions or state legislatures, would have been a mere brutum fulmen; and, as the congress unquestionably exercised national powers, operating over the whole country, the conclusion is inevitable that the will of the whole people is the source of national government in the United States, even from its first imperfect appearance in the second continental congress.[9]

Congress was moving towards declaring independence from the British Empire in 1776, but many delegates lacked the authority from their home governments to take such a drastic action. Advocates of independence in Congress moved to have reluctant colonial governments revise instructions to their delegations, or even replace those governments which would not authorize independence. On May 10, 1776, Congress passed a resolution recommending that any colony lacking a proper (i.e. a revolutionary) government should form such. On May 15 Congress adopted a more radical preamble to this resolution, drafted by John Adams, in which it advised throwing off oaths of allegiance and suppressing the authority of the Crown in any colonial government that still derived its authority from the Crown. That same day the Virginia Convention instructed its delegation in Philadelphia to propose a resolution that called for a declaration of independence, the formation of foreign alliances, and a confederation of the states. The resolution of independence was delayed for several weeks as revolutionaries consolidated support for independence in their home governments

The records of the Continental Congress confirm that the need for a declaration of independence was intimately linked with the demands of international relations. On June 7, 1776, Richard Henry Lee offered a resolution before the Continental Congress declaring the colonies independent. He also urged Congress to resolve "to take the most effectual measures for forming foreign Alliances" and to prepare a plan of confederation for the newly independent states.[10] Lee argued that independence was the only way to ensure a foreign alliance, since no European monarchs would deal with America if they remained Britain's colonies. American leaders had rejected the divine right of kings in the New World, but recognized the necessity of proving their credibility in the Old World.[11] Congress would formally adopt the resolution of independence, but only after creating three overlapping committees to draft the Declaration, a Model Treaty, and the Articles of Confederation. The Declaration announced the states' entry into the international system; the model treaty was designed to establish amity and commerce with other states; and the Articles of Confederation, which established "a firm league" among the thirteen free and independent states; together these constituted an international agreement to set up central institutions for the conduct of vital domestic and foreign affairs.[10]

 

[P@triot]

Common ground might begin with the agreement that:
- words are symbols, inventions of human beings, and, thus, totally subjective in meaning.

If that were even remotely true - we wouldn't have dictionaries. The left has been trying for the past century to create the belief that words have no meaning because that it what is required for them to destroy the U.S. Constitution.

Words have meaning, they are not "subjective", and they are the basis for all of civilized society. Words are used on the floor of the House and Senate for discussion (and everyone knows what is being said - nobody assigns their own "subjective" definitions). Words are used for legally binding contracts. And words are used here on USMB to communicate view points.

Here is a example:

ri·dic·u·lous (rəˈdikyələs/)
adjective
1. deserving or inviting derision or mockery; absurd.

Used in a sentence: your position on words is ridiculous. Words have meaning. Concrete meaning. That's why dictionaries exist - to provide the indisputable, concrete meaning of a word.

Common ground will only be found when evil, disingenuous people like you - looking for a way to control society - start to show an ounce of decency and integrity. When deplorable people like you can admit basic truths (like the fact that words have meanings).