Finally got a pic of Mylo!

[CMike]

Aerial has been a super hyper puppy. Labs are known for being highly energetic. She too won't stay still for a picture.

I am not sure how to say this without appearing judgemental. Choke or prong collars are cruel and abusive.

There are certainly other methods to use other than those collars.


I suggest the sporn. These harnesses designed against pulling are only supposed to be used for walking or training.

Dog collars and harnesses: Sporn Mesh Harness at Drs. Foster and Smith

I previously used the Easy Lead, but it was hurting Aerial.

Easy Walk No-Pull Dog Harness: Standard, Reflective & ECO



The sporn is much softer material.

You need to get your puppy to use up energy.

What we do with Aerial is we:

• Take her for walks
  
• Have her run up and down stairs
  
• Play in the backyard
  
  I also highly recommend putting her in obedience classes
  
• Twice a week we put her in doggie day care, which she adores

 

[CMike]

Here are some exploits of my puppy.

Bad 1st night of Puppy Kindergarten. - Page 2

 

[AllieBaba]

Thanks, I know that choke and prongs can be used incorrectly, I know they can hurt a dog.
The thing with a choke is that it will keep my dog from getting killed. I don't drag her around the house in it. But if she gets loose at the wrong time on the street, she could get hit by a car, or grabbed by a dog that doesn't know she isn't a threat, she's just a spaz.

I will look at your harness though, and thanks for the material on your pup, I will be reading it!

 

[AllieBaba]

PS..I thought "sporn" was a typo, lol...

 

[AllieBaba]

I like that harness design, it will minimize pulling.

But I can tell by looking at it that she would get out of it. She can get out of anything, and she fights to get out...until she does.

 

[CMike]

I like that harness design, it will minimize pulling.

But I can tell by looking at it that she would get out of it. She can get out of anything, and she fights to get out...until she does.

The Sporn is very soft. I don't think she will fight it.

If the Sporn is on her, and the leash is on, there is nothing she can get at to pull.

Aerial loves her walks. As soon as I pick up the Sporn she tries to push her head in it.

If the harness is a cue to do something your dog will like, like go for a walk, he won't fight it.

That said, I had some issues with the Easy Lead harness.

Question about crating and fear of harness

 

[AllieBaba]

Thanks for the advice. She would fight it. She fights not because she cares about the harness itself, she loves to wear the harness. She fights when it is keeping her from attacking another dog, and when she fights it, she can get out unless it constricts, because she's a terrier and she will work her body in a way that will allow her to get out. So it doesn't matter if it's soft or not; her objective isn't to defeat the harness, it's to get to whatever she's targeting. Sometimes it's cats, other dogs, people, vehicles.

 

[AllieBaba]

I've had her for 5 years, CMike, and I've had many other dogs down through the years. I understand what you're saying, but you're coming from the perspective of never having handled a dog like this before, I imagine. Not that she's particularly unusual in her breed, but she's a terrier. A terrier is completely different from a lab, and from a lab pup at that. She is aggressive, nervous, has a very strong prey drive, and is dominant, lol. We absolutely love her, and have no fear of her, but we do fear for her sometimes...which is why I don't really have any room to make mistakes when it comes to restraint.

I have used a harness on her the entire time I've had her, because she cannot be restrained with a collar (she gets out of it). She loves her harness, she loves her leash and collar. She's well trained on the leash, and is wonderful until something triggers her.

I was walking her and my saint pup the other night...she was in her harness, which is snug on her. And she spotted 3 big dogs, two in a fenced yard, one a dobie that was walking with its owners and baby. She immediately hit the end of the leash barking and twisting, and of course the Saint started barking and jumping as well...and her harness came off. I managed to grab her by the scruff of her neck but it wasn't easy (she does fight, seriously), and I only had one hand with a 90 lb dog going crazy in my other hand. I was able to just walk a few yards away, sit Klaus down, then put her harness back on her and walk back home...but she got out again as we got home. Luckily, she just trotting right into the yard.

Think of a feral cat on the end of a leash, only she weighs maybe 13 lbs.

Now that was fine and we took her back out (with a choke) and didn't have a single problem, even though we walked right by a couple of women walking their two (barely controlled) dogs. She didn't strain at the choke, I kept it behind her ears and held up from her, and she knew she was under control and didn't challenge it.

Now today I did buy another tiny nylon collar for her..and we had a good little walk...but there wasn't anything that triggered her. If something had, she would have gotten the collar off, because if it fits her neck, it is going to be able to slip over her head. The diameter of her head is smaller than the diameter of her neck. For that same reason, she can get out of harnesses.

But we're working on it, we'll get it figured out. I've had people tell me that prong collars are the most humane collar in the world. I don't know, I just know that for this dog, a choke is the safest bet.

 

[AllieBaba]

Here are some exploits of my puppy.

Bad 1st night of Puppy Kindergarten. - Page 2

What a great outlet for dog owners that seems to be.

Do you watch Cesar Millan? Exercise, discipline, affection, lol.

 

[CMike]

What about obedience training?

 

[tinydancer]

Sporn harness , please don't use a choke collar.

If you know what you are doing a choke or a prong is the way to go to very quickly work with a pup.

Think Barbara Woodhouse. No bad dogs.

The prong is wonderous. I'd tried it on my own arms a quizzillion times. It exerts the perfect pressure without pain.

The pup realizes control immediately.

With the choke, and I refer to Woodhouse on this. It is not the "choke" it's the click if you use the choke lead appropriately.

One click and you can make these noises on your own arm means ..............fill in the blank

Two clicks and it means ................fill in the blank.

Woodhouse was to me just unreal. I loved that woman to death. And she really understood the relationship between our darling beasties and us.

Bless her soul.

 

[AllieBaba]

There's no obedience training where I live. She's aggressive anyway, she wouldn't last. I've had her for 5 years, and she was 2 when I got her. Her behavior is pretty much as bad as it gets when it comes to dogs....offset by the fact that she's small. She's actually fairly obedient...but she's an aggressive, dominant little dog with a tendency to fixate and a very strong prey drive. We're working on it, but it's a constant thing, she never, ever gives up.

 

[AllieBaba]

Sporn harness , please don't use a choke collar.

If you know what you are doing a choke or a prong is the way to go to very quickly work with a pup.

Think Barbara Woodhouse. No bad dogs.

The prong is wonderous. I'd tried it on my own arms a quizzillion times. It exerts the perfect pressure without pain.

The pup realizes control immediately.

With the choke, and I refer to Woodhouse on this. It is not the "choke" it's the click if you use the choke lead appropriately.

One click and you can make these noises on your own arm means ..............fill in the blank

Two clicks and it means ................fill in the blank.

Woodhouse was to me just unreal. I loved that woman to death. And she really understood the relationship between our darling beasties and us.

Bless her soul.

That's the way I feel about Cesar Millan. He completely understands dogs. My kids and I watch him regularly, and it has helped them immeasurably with their relationships with the dogs. Particularly when it comes to appropriate interaction with Klaus, the pup. Klaus is still a baby, and susceptible to excitement, and inappropriate cues and such...but thanks to Cesar the kids are doing great with him when it comes to not encouraging excitable/inappropriate behavior.

I mean, it's cute when a puppy flops around and jumps up on the couch and rolls on you...but when that puppy is 90 lbs and taller than you are, and gets a little over excited and maybe starts to grab with his mouth and scratch with his 1/2" nails, it's not so funny, and he isn't good at reading the difference between silly, happy squeals, and frantic, scared ones.

Likewise, we're always glad to see Klaus when we get home after work...but if we act like it he charges the gate, knocks people over, and is halfway down the street before we can pick ourselves up. So the whole "no talk no touch no eye contact" has been great...it's easy, it's succinct, and it WORKS.

So we love Cesar!!! In fact, that's what I'm watching now, lol.

 

[tinydancer]

What about obedience training?

We're talking Jack Russell here.

One of my faves was a neighbors Jack called Cartman. There was no freaking training him.

He "was". I don't know how else to say it. He "was" Cartman. He "was" a Jack Russell. Aye carumba he "was" hysterical.

I loved him to death but he just "was". I know it sounds crazy but that's the only way I can describe living near a jack russell.

I had a girl from the first litter Luna. Double glass eyes and deaf. Broke my heart that we threw a deaf one, but I learned sign language so we could place her appropriately.

But Cartman fell in love with her. And I swear this crazy Jack Russell knew she was deaf. I would walk her (halti for her) and work with the sign language and I watched him pick up on it instantly. Dang what a brilliant breed.

And if you ever ever get the chance, go to a Jack trial. It will blow you away.

I believe with all my heart in working dogs, and jacks fit the bill.

 

[AllieBaba]

You have to check out the pros and cons of parson (essentially the same as jacks) russells:

"They are an intelligent breed but are notoriously stubborn, so they can be difficult to train. They need to be physically and mentally stimulated, if bored they will be prone to destructive behaviors like digging or chewing. PRTs make very good watchdogs and are generally friendly with strangers. They tend to be dog aggressive and are quick to pick a fight. This breed tends not get along well with other household pets. They have high prey drives and will generally view small pets like rabbits or rats as prey. The exercise needs of this breed are high and they love activities like running and playing fetch. This breed has a low tolerance for boredom & usually get destructive in an attempt to amuse themselves. PRTs are a socially dominant dog that is best left to a dog owner with previous dog experience and is not a dog that is recommended for the novice dog owner."

parson russell terrier Puppy -parson russell terrier Dog Breed Information

I'm looking for the one that advises owners to NEVER leave them with another terrier, lol. You'll end up with only one dog at the end of the day.

 

[tinydancer]

Sporn harness , please don't use a choke collar.

If you know what you are doing a choke or a prong is the way to go to very quickly work with a pup.

Think Barbara Woodhouse. No bad dogs.

The prong is wonderous. I'd tried it on my own arms a quizzillion times. It exerts the perfect pressure without pain.

The pup realizes control immediately.

With the choke, and I refer to Woodhouse on this. It is not the "choke" it's the click if you use the choke lead appropriately.

One click and you can make these noises on your own arm means ..............fill in the blank

Two clicks and it means ................fill in the blank.

Woodhouse was to me just unreal. I loved that woman to death. And she really understood the relationship between our darling beasties and us.

Bless her soul.

That's the way I feel about Cesar Millan. He completely understands dogs. My kids and I watch him regularly, and it has helped them immeasurably with their relationships with the dogs. Particularly when it comes to appropriate interaction with Klaus, the pup. Klaus is still a baby, and susceptible to excitement, and inappropriate cues and such...but thanks to Cesar the kids are doing great with him when it comes to not encouraging excitable/inappropriate behavior.

I mean, it's cute when a puppy flops around and jumps up on the couch and rolls on you...but when that puppy is 90 lbs and taller than you are, and gets a little over excited and maybe starts to grab with his mouth and scratch with his 1/2" nails, it's not so funny, and he isn't good at reading the difference between silly, happy squeals, and frantic, scared ones.

Likewise, we're always glad to see Klaus when we get home after work...but if we act like it he charges the gate, knocks people over, and is halfway down the street before we can pick ourselves up. So the whole "no talk no touch no eye contact" has been great...it's easy, it's succinct, and it WORKS.

So we love Cesar!!! In fact, that's what I'm watching now, lol.

Cracking up just at the image in my head.

I'll tell you for true I would have killed to have had a personal "no bad dog" session with ol Babs there when I got baby Jim Dandy.....

Lord Almighty I swear that dog took a decade off my lifespan when he was a pup. But it's worth it.

And btw I love the pics. Thanks.

 

[AllieBaba]

Here it is, this cracks me up:

"
Most Jack Russell Terriers are happy-go-lucky and friendly with strangers, but in the presence of strange dogs, keep them close and under control. If the other dog minds its own manners, the Jack Russell will usually adhere to a "live and let live" philosphy, but some Jack Russells are so brash and fearless they will take on a Rottweiler if it looks cross-eyed at them.
Two Jack Russell Terriers (regardless of sex or age) should never be left alone together. All may appear to go well for a while – even a long while – but with this breed, a seemingly amiable relationship can suddenly flare into deadly combat over something as innocuous as possession of a chew toy. If you keep two Jack Russells, it is safest to separate them when you leave the house.
As you've probably guessed by now, small pets that run, squeak, or flutter probably won't last an hour.
The exploratory and hunting instincts of Jack Russell Terriers are legendary. These dogs will "go to ground" after anything that moves and they will stay in or by the hole for hours, even days. Obviously, JRTs are enthusiastic diggers and barkers."

What fun!


Parson Jack Russell Terriers: What's Good About 'Em? What's Bad About 'Em?

 

[tinydancer]

You have to check out the pros and cons of parson (essentially the same as jacks) russells:

"They are an intelligent breed but are notoriously stubborn, so they can be difficult to train. They need to be physically and mentally stimulated, if bored they will be prone to destructive behaviors like digging or chewing. PRTs make very good watchdogs and are generally friendly with strangers. They tend to be dog aggressive and are quick to pick a fight. This breed tends not get along well with other household pets. They have high prey drives and will generally view small pets like rabbits or rats as prey. The exercise needs of this breed are high and they love activities like running and playing fetch. This breed has a low tolerance for boredom & usually get destructive in an attempt to amuse themselves. PRTs are a socially dominant dog that is best left to a dog owner with previous dog experience and is not a dog that is recommended for the novice dog owner."

parson russell terrier Puppy -parson russell terrier Dog Breed Information

I'm looking for the one that advises owners to NEVER leave them with another terrier, lol. You'll end up with only one dog at the end of the day.

If you ever get a chance, go to a JR trial. Holy toledo it's insane. Wonderously insane, like an ECW match but with terriers. At the Royal Winter Fair they used to hold them.

OMG you will die laughing and clapping and standing on your feet cheering for these dogs with these big hearts on the" hunt " .

There is a kennel out of Niagara that keeps with full cry. Dang I can't remember their name at the moment. But they were really good breeders.

I loved them to death because they would always say "watch our hunting video and NO they are not like what you see on tv shows".

 

[tinydancer]

Here it is, this cracks me up:

"
Most Jack Russell Terriers are happy-go-lucky and friendly with strangers, but in the presence of strange dogs, keep them close and under control. If the other dog minds its own manners, the Jack Russell will usually adhere to a "live and let live" philosphy, but some Jack Russells are so brash and fearless they will take on a Rottweiler if it looks cross-eyed at them.
Two Jack Russell Terriers (regardless of sex or age) should never be left alone together. All may appear to go well for a while – even a long while – but with this breed, a seemingly amiable relationship can suddenly flare into deadly combat over something as innocuous as possession of a chew toy. If you keep two Jack Russells, it is safest to separate them when you leave the house.
As you've probably guessed by now, small pets that run, squeak, or flutter probably won't last an hour.
The exploratory and hunting instincts of Jack Russell Terriers are legendary. These dogs will "go to ground" after anything that moves and they will stay in or by the hole for hours, even days. Obviously, JRTs are enthusiastic diggers and barkers."

What fun!


Parson Jack Russell Terriers: What's Good About 'Em? What's Bad About 'Em?

oh that's freaking gold. club soda burns btw when it shoots out your nose reading a description of a jack russell....

note to self: remove all beverages from beside the computer

 

[AllieBaba]

I know, I've seen other sites where they have "keep your PRT/JRT on leash and close to you at all times!!!!" in big red letters, lol.

I love her so much...but you read about the other night's walk..and today the family that owns Klaus' parents stopped by to let their little boy pet him..and of course Mylo went berserck. It was understandable, they were driving a loud car, there was another kid on her bike (that Mylo hates) hanging around, they were drawing the dogs to the fence...but Mylo was biting at them and keeping Klaus all riled up. So I had to catch her and carry her in, and of course she fought and bit at me. But here's the thing..yeah, she looks horrible and sounds horrible..but she never really BITES me. It looks like she is, I can feel her teeth, but I never get hurt.