Finally getting serious about HB-1

[eagle7_31]

Articles: Why Trump Has Been Right and Silicon Valley Wrong on H-1B Visas

I hope. This program needs a serious overhaul.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Articles: Why Trump Has Been Right and Silicon Valley Wrong on H-1B Visas

I hope. This program needs a serious overhaul.

Our entire immigration system needs an overhaul. This isn't the 1800's anymore

 

[eagle7_31]

Articles: Why Trump Has Been Right and Silicon Valley Wrong on H-1B Visas

I hope. This program needs a serious overhaul.

Our entire immigration system needs an overhaul. This isn't the 1800's anymore

Point taken. Having been in IT for a number of years, this one was of particular interest.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Articles: Why Trump Has Been Right and Silicon Valley Wrong on H-1B Visas

I hope. This program needs a serious overhaul.

Our entire immigration system needs an overhaul. This isn't the 1800's anymore

Point taken. Having been in IT for a number of years, this one was of particular interest.

I hear ya. You lose jobs to easterners. Myself I have to compete with the shitheads that hire illegal Mexicans.

The system is beyond broken on all fronts

 

[Al Azar]

As long as we have vacancies in skilled positions, we need immigrants to fill them. Thousands of positions remain unfilled month after month because applicants haven't the skills, education or experience for minimum performance.

 

[Clementine]

As long as we have vacancies in skilled positions, we need immigrants to fill them. Thousands of positions remain unfilled month after month because applicants haven't the skills, education or experience for minimum performance.

Meanwhile, skilled graduates are vying for part time positions at McDonald's because it's all they can find. At Disney World, American workers were forced to train their foreign replacements. They were being fired so foreigners could take their jobs.

Why don't all those socialist professors put their money where their mouths are and train people for free? So many colleges are run by liberals who preach socialism and communism and yet they keep increasing salaries, which makes tuition rise.

 

[Al Azar]

Maybe these skilled graduates should apply where the jobs are. These vacancies are costing employers every day they remain vacant.

 

[320 Years of History]

Articles: Why Trump Has Been Right and Silicon Valley Wrong on H-1B Visas

I hope. This program needs a serious overhaul.

From the linked article (indented text):

"Where can you find a specialized PHD or Masters level skill in IT offering an annual salary of less than $60,000? Nowhere on either coast of the U.S. at any technology enclave."​

What masters or doctoral degree holder is going to take a job paying less than $60K/year? Heck the average starting salaries in my industry -- business consulting -- start there at the very least...That's for freshly minted undergrads with no experience.

"According to the Department of Homeland Security, 80% of all H-1B Visas issued in 2014 were issued to residents of India."
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You know why? Because Americans for some reason don't in great enough numbers master math and science fields of study. Though international student graduates earned only 11.6% of all doctoral degrees in the U.S., foreign students earn 57% of all engineering doctoral degrees, 53% of all computer and information sciences doctoral degrees and 50% of mathematics and statistics doctoral degrees,according to the National Center for Education Statistics.

Other info:

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International Students Outpace Americans in STEM Degrees

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http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014...nese-and-indian-students-come-us-universities




At some level, one has to realize that you can't get blood from a turnip.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

As long as we have vacancies in skilled positions, we need immigrants to fill them. Thousands of positions remain unfilled month after month because applicants haven't the skills, education or experience for minimum performance.

Teach them the skills. Problem solved.

Or

Continue letting the left control our broken education system and eventually none of us will have jobs requiring higher thinking skills.

 

[Al Azar]

As long as we have vacancies in skilled positions, we need immigrants to fill them. Thousands of positions remain unfilled month after month because applicants haven't the skills, education or experience for minimum performance.

Teach them the skills. Problem solved.

Or

Continue letting the left control our broken education system and eventually none of us will have jobs requiring higher thinking skills.

Yeah. It's those guys slashing education budgets.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

As long as we have vacancies in skilled positions, we need immigrants to fill them. Thousands of positions remain unfilled month after month because applicants haven't the skills, education or experience for minimum performance.

Teach them the skills. Problem solved.

Or

Continue letting the left control our broken education system and eventually none of us will have jobs requiring higher thinking skills.

Yeah. It's those guys slashing education budgets.

We spend more than our counterparts. The problem isn't funding. I wouldn't expect you to understand the problem though based on this post.

 

[Clementine]

Articles: Why Trump Has Been Right and Silicon Valley Wrong on H-1B Visas

I hope. This program needs a serious overhaul.

From the linked article (indented text):

"Where can you find a specialized PHD or Masters level skill in IT offering an annual salary of less than $60,000? Nowhere on either coast of the U.S. at any technology enclave."​

What masters or doctoral degree holder is going to take a job paying less than $60K/year? Heck the average starting salaries in my industry -- business consulting -- start there at the very least...That's for freshly minted undergrads with no experience.

"According to the Department of Homeland Security, 80% of all H-1B Visas issued in 2014 were issued to residents of India."
​

You know why? Because Americans for some reason don't in great enough numbers master math and science fields of study. Though international student graduates earned only 11.6% of all doctoral degrees in the U.S., foreign students earn 57% of all engineering doctoral degrees, 53% of all computer and information sciences doctoral degrees and 50% of mathematics and statistics doctoral degrees,according to the National Center for Education Statistics.

Other info:

​

International Students Outpace Americans in STEM Degrees

​

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014...nese-and-indian-students-come-us-universities




At some level, one has to realize that you can't get blood from a turnip.

Maybe if schools got back to basics, we'd have more high school graduates capable of taking high tech courses in college.

Right now, we have Common Core math, which is frustrating students and teachers. We don't insist that students speak English very well. Some schools will not allow teachers to even correct a student's language for fear of offending them.

Once off to college, they are so busy running to safe spaces and demanding less homework so they can spend more time being activists that it's amazing they come out with any skills.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

As long as we have vacancies in skilled positions, we need immigrants to fill them. Thousands of positions remain unfilled month after month because applicants haven't the skills, education or experience for minimum performance.

That is hogwash because if there are vacancies that need to be filled then companies can simply pay more for the job. That should get more people to apply.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

Articles: Why Trump Has Been Right and Silicon Valley Wrong on H-1B Visas

I hope. This program needs a serious overhaul.

From the linked article (indented text):

"Where can you find a specialized PHD or Masters level skill in IT offering an annual salary of less than $60,000? Nowhere on either coast of the U.S. at any technology enclave."​

What masters or doctoral degree holder is going to take a job paying less than $60K/year? Heck the average starting salaries in my industry -- business consulting -- start there at the very least...That's for freshly minted undergrads with no experience.

"According to the Department of Homeland Security, 80% of all H-1B Visas issued in 2014 were issued to residents of India."
​

You know why? Because Americans for some reason don't in great enough numbers master math and science fields of study. Though international student graduates earned only 11.6% of all doctoral degrees in the U.S., foreign students earn 57% of all engineering doctoral degrees, 53% of all computer and information sciences doctoral degrees and 50% of mathematics and statistics doctoral degrees,according to the National Center for Education Statistics.

Other info:

​

International Students Outpace Americans in STEM Degrees

​

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014...nese-and-indian-students-come-us-universities




At some level, one has to realize that you can't get blood from a turnip.

More people would want to go into those fields if they paid more.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

Why are there so many people advocating for American workers to be underbid by foreign workers? I don't fucking get it...wait...some corpratist doctrine says that workers should give up their self-interest for the whole economic system. That fucking sucks balls!

 

[320 Years of History]

Maybe if schools got back to basics, we'd have more high school graduates capable of taking high tech courses in college.

Right now, we have Common Core math, which is frustrating students and teachers.

??? What are you talking about? What "basics" have you in mind? Can you give specific examples of the devolution of school curricula into "non back to basic" subject matter content that, in your mind, produces high school graduates who are thus incapable of taking high tech courses in college?



I'm asking because as far as I know, every public school system in the U.S. offers AP classes. Given that high school students who score a 4 or 5 on an AP exam receive college credit for the corresponding class, and there are students who do score fours and fives, there is no credible argument to make that Common Core math or science requirements/pedagogies is somehow the cause for why American high school grads are "[in]capable of taking high tech courses in college." Moreover, the content I shared and to which I linked does not state that American kids are incapable of taking high tech courses in college.

 

[320 Years of History]

Articles: Why Trump Has Been Right and Silicon Valley Wrong on H-1B Visas

I hope. This program needs a serious overhaul.

From the linked article (indented text):

"Where can you find a specialized PHD or Masters level skill in IT offering an annual salary of less than $60,000? Nowhere on either coast of the U.S. at any technology enclave."​

What masters or doctoral degree holder is going to take a job paying less than $60K/year? Heck the average starting salaries in my industry -- business consulting -- start there at the very least...That's for freshly minted undergrads with no experience.

"According to the Department of Homeland Security, 80% of all H-1B Visas issued in 2014 were issued to residents of India."
​

You know why? Because Americans for some reason don't in great enough numbers master math and science fields of study. Though international student graduates earned only 11.6% of all doctoral degrees in the U.S., foreign students earn 57% of all engineering doctoral degrees, 53% of all computer and information sciences doctoral degrees and 50% of mathematics and statistics doctoral degrees,according to the National Center for Education Statistics.

Other info:

​

International Students Outpace Americans in STEM Degrees

​

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014...nese-and-indian-students-come-us-universities




At some level, one has to realize that you can't get blood from a turnip.

More people would want to go into those fields if they paid more.

What, in your mind, is the sum "these fields" should pay to inexperienced new hires who've done nothing but graduate from college?


Seems to me that ~$50K - $60K/year is a great starting salary for having no experience.

The link above is for 2016 graduates in engineering from Michigan Tech U. The graph below is from a general 2015.

The College Degrees With The Highest Starting Salaries in 2015​

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[320 Years of History]

Why are there so many people advocating for American workers to be underbid by foreign workers?

What are you talking about?

Nobody has advocated for any such thing.

 

[Al Azar]

As long as we have vacancies in skilled positions, we need immigrants to fill them. Thousands of positions remain unfilled month after month because applicants haven't the skills, education or experience for minimum performance.

That is hogwash because if there are vacancies that need to be filled then companies can simply pay more for the job. That should get more people to apply.

So letting the employer determine fair compensation unilaterally doesn't work?

Welcome to the world of organized labor. We've been waiting for you.

I wasn't making a statement about compensation dynamics. I was pointing out that we don't have enough qualified people. Four out of five applicants for skilled positions don't have the necessary training nor background to land the job. When none of the ones left are suitable or desirable, the position remains unfilled, and there are too many of those. There are too few qualified people in our workforce for the number of skilled positions available.

We can either hold ourselves back as the world advances by limiting the skilled labor pool employers can draw from, or we can hire qualified people to make our country competitive, no matter where they hail from.

That's our choice.

 

[Al Azar]

Bull shit. Where's the link? Illegals drive down wages, drive down benefits, increase the number of hours to be worked, illegals break unions, ad to tax base insufficiency. They dont want to assimilate or speak our language and we already have plenty of people to take the jobs if the illegals havent had wages declining for the last 45 years. You, like millions of others just dont get it or are profiting from it. Your beliefs just dump on Americans. Do some research then come back. Hib visas and all of the work visas only screw America while catering to the rich.

If you want to talk about illegals, you're on the wrong thread.