Finally a sensible response to recent school shootings

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    http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,650198346,00.html

    Gun class for Utah teachers

    Free concealed-weapons session is offered today

    By Ben Winslow and Jennifer Toomer-Cook
    Deseret Morning News
    Friday, October 13, 2006

    More than a dozen teachers and public school employees will spend part of their UEA weekend in a classroom — learning how to use a gun.

    Clark Aposhian is offering a free class today to public school employees seeking to get their concealed- weapons permit. "It is self-defense," he told the Deseret Morning News on Thursday. "But because teachers and school administrators and custodians are typically surrounded by students all day, any threat to any individual with a firearm would also be a threat to those students."

    The concealed-weapons instructor's offer was met with opposition from some teachers and union representatives at the Utah Education Association's conference in Salt Lake City.

    "We've always resisted the idea of arming school employees," said Susan Kuziak, executive director of the 18,000-member teachers union. "Though the intentions may be good, ultimately, the potential for harm is too great."

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    EDITOR'S NOTE:
    I especially like Kuziak's quote at the end. She's basically saying more harm will come from the teachers if they carry guns, than has come from the school shooters who have been murdering students for the last several months.

    Not much of a vote of confidence in the members of her own union, is it? These leftists seem to always assume their supporters are complete boobs. Could they be right? - LA

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    Susan Kuziak shows HORRIBLE judgement. :(
     
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    One of the reasons these whackos go to schools to do their killing, is because they are less likely to get shot back at, while they're doing it. Even the completely insane ones who don't care if they die, want to at least accomplish their killings before they get taken out (or kill themselves). So even they have an interest in not getting shot at while blowing others away.

    How many people have tried to commit mass murder at a gun store, or at a police station? Even the ones who don't care if they die, don't try that... because they won't accomplish what they're trying to do, before getting suddenly dead.

    If concealed carry by responnsible adults is allowed, most still won't carry. But a few will. And a whacko who wants to mow down a bunch of kids, will know there's a pretty good chance he'll get stopped very quickly if he pulls out his weapon and starts shooting... and he won't know where the bullet will come from, so he can't take out that person in advance. And so, he'll be less likely to even try it in the first place, knowing that he probably won't succeed.

    That's the greatest advantage of concealed carry. Not just blowing away the criminal after he fires the first few shots. But in stopping him from even trying in the first place. Even though he knows that most teachers still don't have guns, he knows that one or two might... and he won't know which one(s). A far different situation from what these shooters face today at our schools.
     
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    This is good, and better yet, Utah law allows it!
     
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    I support concealed carry for nearly everyone, and I'm loathe to agree with the teacher's union, but I just don't think that this is practical.

    1. Too great a chance of some kid taking a gun away from a teacher while his/ her attention is diverted elsewhere- like teaching!
    2. All the kids are going to know exactly which teachers carry. Secrets don't hold well in schools.


    I'd say a better solution would be for metal detectors in schools, full lock-down every day, rewards to students who identify possible shooters (similar to CrimeStoppers) and open or concealed carry by maintenence and administration staff.
     
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    Well you have a point. On the other hand it doesn't have to be teachers that carry and it doesn't have to be public knowledge. Heck a weapon doesn't even need to be carried, lock em in the office or elsewhere. I think it's workable.
     
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    Full lock-down everyday? What's that mean?

    Christ. Teachers already have an us vs them attitude when it comes to parents. Now they'll see the kids as the enemy, too.

    How about we get rid of every single fucking social worker in every public school. Teach teachers that they have a right to control their own classrooms, that not every kid is carbon of every other kid, to protect the loners and fat kids from being harrassed by the bullies, and ban gym.

    There would never be another school shooting by a student.
     
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    Doors locked from outside entry is my understanding. It's done now in many places.
     
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    i'll play debil's advocate on this one...

    while I don't oppose teachers needing ways to defend themselves, I don't see how this will prevent kids or others from coming in and shooting anyway, because from the past shootings since Columbine, most of the shooters were suicidal and took their own lives as well. If they are WANTING to die, how would armed teachers stop them from bringing a gun to school or even somehow get the gun from the teacher and do it, when the want to die anyway?
     
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    Maybe we should just reinstate physical punishment into schools for discipline when they are a younger age and then we wont have to worry about them ever thinking of pulling a gun in and slaughtering people.
     

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