File an indecency complaint against ABC for 'f' word and 's' word

[dilloduck]

I think Cp is saying the line must be drawn no matter what the context and the movie could have still made it's point with all the fucks bleeped out. I think ABC USED this movie to force the FCC to define when it is ok to say fuck on tv. If it was a Michael Moore movie I think people would feel differently yet people say fuck all the time and it is real and it is history whether we like it or not.

 

[Trigg]

What I'm saying is this - not sure how to make it anymore clear:

1. I like Saving Private Ryan, it's a great move
2. I'm all for films like this capturing the "raw emotion" of WWII
3. I'm even up for it being shown "un-cut" on network television

However:

4. I'm NOT for it being shown during PRIME TIME - should be on late-night TV.
5. This paves the way for other networks to start showing far more indecent movies during prime time.
6. It paves the way for sitcoms to become more crass than they already are.

In conclusion, it's not the uncut-version of Saving Private Ryan I'm against. What bothers me is the time-slot it was shown in, and how it opens a slippery slope for far worse television programming.

I could agree with you if this were 20 years ago when cable was new and most people only had 4 channels to choose from. But there are hundreds of choices out there, change the channel.

I would hope parents realize that this isn't a movie for their young kids to watch, even if it did bleep out the cuss words.

 

[dilloduck]

I could agree with you if this were 20 years ago when cable was new and most people only had 4 channels to choose from. But there are hundreds of choices out there, change the channel.

I would hope parents realize that this isn't a movie for their young kids to watch, even if it did bleep out the cuss words.

But where do you draw the line?------Free hardcore and leave it up to the parents to monitor? Don't we already have a problem with lack of parenting?

 

[Said1]

But where do you draw the line?------Free hardcore and leave it up to the parents to monitor? Don't we already have a problem with lack of parenting?

Not everyone has children, and yes you should know what your kids are watching.

 

[dilloduck]

Not everyone has children, and yes you should know what your kids are watching.

So what are the rules in the great white north?

 

[Said1]

So what are the rules in the great white north?

You can say fuck during prime time. Katelynn even said it on Degrassi Junior High - the graduation episode when she found out Joey cheated.

Private Ryan was on at 8pm last night, I didn't watch though, Teletoon rules in my house.

 

[Trigg]

But where do you draw the line?------Free hardcore and leave it up to the parents to monitor? Don't we already have a problem with lack of parenting?

You answerd your own question by the statement of "Dont we already have a problem with lack of parenting"


The line that needs to be drawn is a individual one, not one mandated by the gov't. If you dont like what your seeing or you think it is inappropriat for children you and only you can do one of the following two things

1. TURN THE CHANNEL

2. TURN THE DAMN THING OFF.

If you allow the gov't to make all of your moral choices in life you are in for a very rude awakening.

People need to guit looking to the gov't to take care of them... Once they make these types of discission for you what will the next one be. Than where do you draw the line on gov't intrusion.

No I dont think hardcore porn should be on network TV, but we arent discussing that are we. We are discussing a progam that was aired with warnings and plenty of information on what the movie was about...

 

[drowe]

Saving Private Ryan was to be aired by ABC and it’s affiliates in honor of Veterans Day, despite the “harshness” of the film and knowing there would be some heartache over it. Apparently some affiliates chose not to air the movie anyway.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4165613

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/entertainment/dining/10148590.htm?1c

I believe that film depicts the bravery and honor of a generation that America (and Europe) should never lose touch with. Instead of filing a complaint; I filed a thank you to ABC.

 

[-Cp]

So would it be okay for a NETWORK station to air a porno during prime-time?

Again, where do you folks draw the line... and again, many of you are missing the point it seems...

 

[tim_duncan2000]

Saving Private Ryan is not a porno. Also, they have shown it before, they had warnings, and what about other crap that's on like Fear Factor and other shows? Just because there is not any cussing does not mean that there is not other stuff people might object to. The stuff said in SPR also wasn't much worse than what is said on shows like NYPD Blue. Give it a rest with your obsession over a movie like SPR being shown.

 

[insein]

So would it be okay for a NETWORK station to air a porno during prime-time?

Again, where do you folks draw the line... and again, many of you are missing the point it seems...

Saving Private Ryan is an historical dipiciton of a period of time. It was gritty, gory and real. It has more to do with history then morals.

Pornography is a definition that changes from faith to faith. A person of moderate faith might find porno acceptable by their morals where others might find it a mortal sin. Porno is more a subject of moral standards then that of historical.

Graphic violence depicted in fictional movies like Kill Bill i feel would NOT be acceptable on Primetime, National TV. But historical, REAL violence that reminds us of what our men and women went through is completely acceptable in my mind.

 

[fuzzykitten99]

File a formal complaint against ABC for airing indecent language during the November 11 ABC movie, Saving Private Ryan.

http://www.onemilliondads.com/TakeAction.asp?id=177

NO WAY! ABC warned people AHEAD OF TIME that the movie would be shown in it's entirety, uncut (because legally, they could not), and unedited for content. If you couldn't handle the language (do really think the soldiers said 'shoot' instead of shit in real life anyway?) turn the channel, or turn the tv off completely. SPR was not able to be cut because Speilberg had it written into the contract that this movie would not be cut, if ever shown on network tv. If ABC would have cut or dubbed it...they would have been sued.

personally, i didn't like the movie SPR...i am not into war movies(except The Patriot). but i appreciate them for what they are.

 

[fuzzykitten99]

Saving Private Ryan is an historical dipiciton of a period of time. It was gritty, gory and real. It has more to do with history then morals.

Pornography is a definition that changes from faith to faith. A person of moderate faith might find porno acceptable by their morals where others might find it a mortal sin. Porno is more a subject of moral standards then that of historical.

Graphic violence depicted in fictional movies like Kill Bill i feel would NOT be acceptable on Primetime, National TV. But historical, REAL violence that reminds us of what our men and women went through is completely acceptable in my mind.

ok, you said it better than i did. then again, I have only seen the movie once, but i still respect the content, and what they were trying to portray.

 

[fuzzykitten99]

But where do you draw the line?------Free hardcore and leave it up to the parents to monitor? Don't we already have a problem with lack of parenting?

well, most households have cable or dish...you have more than ONE channel to choose from. and what about dvd's or vhs tapes? Its not like the tv station is tying you to a chair, and taping your eyelids open, and forcing you to watch it.

 

[Gem]

CP...

What bothers me most about your question regarding porno is the fact that it demonstrates a complete lack of common sense...

Not yours, mind you...I'm not insulting you...rather, I think your statement is endemic of a HUGE problem facing our society right now...

Janet Jackson's boob comes out for half a second at the Superbowl...and suddenly we are fining Howard Stern for things he said 2 years ago....Howard Stern throws a fit (justifiably in many ways) and points to Oprah who interviewd on her show a woman who was raped and sodomized...suddenly Saving Private Ryan...a movie most Vets agree is one of the most accurate depictions of WWII events EVER...is being compared to a porno...

WHERE HAS OUR COMMON SENSE GONE?!?!?!? Or at least....when did it become assummed that we had none and therefore everything had to be taken to the n-th degree???

Surely, CP...you know the difference between a movie accurately depicting the way men talked during wartime...and a girl-girl-guy sex scene in a hottub...guess what...so do the VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS...

We becoming so idiotic in this country that we KNOW the difference between these things...but for some reason we feel we need to be fair by blocking everything...

Saving Private Ryan is being compared to porn...a kid is suspended from school because he pointed a CHICKEN FINGER at his friend and said, "bang,"...we KNOW that these things are idiotic...and yet here you are, an intelligent person bringing up reasons to defend the exact kind of surrender of common sense that I am SURE you think is ridiculous...

don't you???

 

[-Cp]

CP...

What bothers me most about your question regarding porno is the fact that it demonstrates a complete lack of common sense...

Not yours, mind you...I'm not insulting you...rather, I think your statement is endemic of a HUGE problem facing our society right now...

Janet Jackson's boob comes out for half a second at the Superbowl...and suddenly we are fining Howard Stern for things he said 2 years ago....Howard Stern throws a fit (justifiably in many ways) and points to Oprah who interviewd on her show a woman who was raped and sodomized...suddenly Saving Private Ryan...a movie most Vets agree is one of the most accurate depictions of WWII events EVER...is being compared to a porno...

WHERE HAS OUR COMMON SENSE GONE?!?!?!? Or at least....when did it become assummed that we had none and therefore everything had to be taken to the n-th degree???

Surely, CP...you know the difference between a movie accurately depicting the way men talked during wartime...and a girl-girl-guy sex scene in a hottub...guess what...so do the VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS...

We becoming so idiotic in this country that we KNOW the difference between these things...but for some reason we feel we need to be fair by blocking everything...

Saving Private Ryan is being compared to porn...a kid is suspended from school because he pointed a CHICKEN FINGER at his friend and said, "bang,"...we KNOW that these things are idiotic...and yet here you are, an intelligent person bringing up reasons to defend the exact kind of surrender of common sense that I am SURE you think is ridiculous...

don't you???

Where did I ever "compare" SPR to Porno?

My point was - an extreme one sure - to ask these people who think it's okay for ANY movie/show to be dropping the "F-bomb" on primetime where will they draw the line? It's as if they've never heard the term "slippery slope"..

 

[Gem]

CP,

The comparison was made when you asked if porn should be shown as well as Saving Private Ryan.

So would it be okay for a NETWORK station to air a porno during prime-time?

Obviously, you are comparing the things that make a porno questionable to the vulgarity and/or violence, i.e. the things that are questionable in Saving Private Ryan...making the point that if we are going to allow one...should we consider whether that implies we should allow the other. Or if not, how we draw that line.

If this was not the point you were making, then I apologize.

If that was your point...then my post above still holds...you are asking where or how we draw the line...I am asking, What is wrong with a society that obviously understands that there is a line but refuses to simply state that the line is common sense...

A movie honoring our Veterans in a realistic but respectful way run with warnings for parents of young children during a celebration of Veterans Day and a porn are NOT similar...and do NOT merit the same consideration for prime time television...to think that they do is to demonstrate either a complete lack of common sense...or a complete disregard of it...I think that our society, as you have demonstrated...is heading full-throttle towards disregarding common sense...and I'm wondering why

 

[fuzzykitten99]

CP,

The comparison was made when you asked if porn should be shown as well as Saving Private Ryan.



Obviously, you are comparing the things that make a porno questionable to the vulgarity and/or violence, i.e. the things that are questionable in Saving Private Ryan...making the point that if we are going to allow one...should we consider whether that implies we should allow the other. Or if not, how we draw that line.

If this was not the point you were making, then I apologize.

If that was your point...then my post above still holds...you are asking where or how we draw the line...I am asking, What is wrong with a society that obviously understands that there is a line but refuses to simply state that the line is common sense...

A movie honoring our Veterans in a realistic but respectful way run with warnings for parents of young children during a celebration of Veterans Day and a porn are NOT similar...and do NOT merit the same consideration for prime time television...to think that they do is to demonstrate either a complete lack of common sense...or a complete disregard of it...I think that our society, as you have demonstrated...is heading full-throttle towards disregarding common sense...and I'm wondering why

anyone who tries to sue for stupid stuff like this is just looking for their 15 minutes in the spotlight. some people's need for attention, or recognition for something usually overrides the common sense part of what little brain they have. They are just looking to make a stink for the sake of attention.

 

[Deornwulf]

As a teacher of the English Language, a foreign tongue to many of my native born students in Florida, I would have to say that the profanity in SPR must be examined in the context in which it was used. One must ask if it was an expleletive or gratioutous oral mastur******. Since the answer is the former, one must conclude that the use of such language is an integral part of depicting the realities of war and must be exempted from the normal standards, especially in light of the disclaimers and warnings given prior to the showing.

I do find it amusing that the language is of more concern than the violence depicted in the movie. We are such hypocrits in America in how we cringe at sight of two people becoming intimate on television but think nothing of the sight of two people killing one another.

CP - Do you think it appropriate to teach Catcher in the Rye in high school or should the offensive language keep it out of the classroom?

 

[manu1959]

all i know is i can explain fuck to my six year old....explaining a super model eating sheep balls and the subsequant inuendos would be a bit more difficult....as for porn in prime time...they do it in denmark and everyone seems a bit more well adjusted than certain people in cyberspace....by the way i have not had to explain any of this to my six year olde because i dont let him wathc this stuff and i supervise his viewing....on second thought i would rather he watch SPR rather than ed ed and eddie..