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    1. "The future of religious freedom depends on a free pulpit to communicate fundamental, biblical principles to congregations across America. Join a growing movement of bold pastors preaching biblical Truth about candidates and elections from their pulpits...



    2. The Johnson Amendment was passed by Congress in 1954 as an amendment to section 501(c)(3) of the federal tax code. The Johnson Amendment states that entities who are exempt from federal income tax cannot:
    Participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of – or in opposition to – any candidate for public office.

    3. The Johnson Amendment was added to the tax code as a result of the political machinations of Lyndon B. Johnson who was running for reelection to the United States Senate.

    4. One scholar who studied this extensively concluded that the Johnson Amendment "is not rooted in constitutional provisions for separation of church and state….

    5. ...the Johnson Amendment has been applied to prohibit what a pastor says from the pulpit concerning candidates who are running for elective office.




    6. This means that under current IRS regulations, a pastor cannot say anything from the pulpit that may constitute support for – or opposition to – a political candidate.

    7. [For] the first 200 years of America's history, pastors frequently spoke out with great boldness about the great moral and social issues of the day and about the candidates running for office."
    Speak Up : Pulpit Freedom Sunday - History of the Johnson Amendment




    8. "On October 7, 2012, hundreds of Christian pastors are going to be taking to their pulpits with overtly political messages in an effort to challenge a restrictive Internal Revenue Service’s (IRS) tax code. The calculated event, “Pulpit Freedom Sunday,” is an annual initiative that seeks to rally believers against the government’s regulations on pastoral political endorsements.

    9. The IRS web site goes on to designate which sorts of activities are permitted and which are banned under current regulations:

    10. ...voter education or registration activities with evidence of bias that (a) would favor one candidate over another; (b) oppose a candidate in some manner; or (c) have the effect of favoring a candidate or group of candidates, will constitute prohibited participation or intervention."
    Pastors Prepare to Fight IRS Through Pulpit Freedom Sunday | TheBlaze.com




    The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, ...

    Seems pretty clear....

    Time to see who supports the Constitution.

    Take it to the Supreme Court!
     
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    Organized religion has caused more trouble over the centuries than any other, single factor in the entire world. The last thing any society needs is "religious guidance" when its members are deciding how to vote.

    I will defend to my death your right to be a member of an organized religion. Just keep it the hell out of my face.
     
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    Really an ignorant post, Georgie....

    ...surprised at you.

    1. To embrace the philosophy of the Left, it is almost imperative that one reject the Bible, and religion in general. The urge of the Left to surrender choice and self government for illusion, to insist on statism and government rule rather than citizens ruling the government, is a rejection of the lesson of the Exodus.

    2. “The left is atheist, and simply because it is atheist, its religious fanaticism is worse than the other fanaticisms of history. For the romantic of the past has sometimes, if all too rarely, has been restrained by the reality that God is truth. But the atheist fanatic has no reason for such restraint. There is no reason in principle why the revolutionary atheist should regard truth, and it does not seem he does so in practice.”
    Sixty five years later it continues to be a brilliant observation. This is why fanatical atheism which seeks to stamp out all mention of God in the public square is to be a concern to all.

    3. Justice means choice. The choice must be by recourse and devotion to laws made impartially, without respect to individuals, and applied impartially. This is the great contribution of our Judeo-Christian foundation to Western civilization. The principles of justice are laid down in the Torah and the Gospels, and implemented through human actions memorialized in judicial codes.

    a. The written laws and rules are codifications of the unwritten ones worked out over millennia as the result of human interactions and experience.

    4. The Bible is the wisdom of the West. It is from the precepts of the Bible that the legal systems of the West have been developed- systems, worked out over millennia, for dealing with inequality, with injustice, with greed, reducible t that which Christians call the Golden Rule, and the Jews had propounded as “That which is hateful to you, don not do to your neighbor.” It is these rules and laws which form a framework which allows the individual foreknowledge of that which is permitted and that which is forbidden.
    The above, mostly, from David Mamet's "The Secret Knowledge.
     
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    What does this have to do with whether or not politics should be discussed from the pulpit? If anything, what you have quoted here makes it rather obvious that religion ought to keep its nose out of politics.

    Are you some kind of Fundie, PC? I didn't know.
     
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    1. It speaks to this absurd statement of yours: "Organized religion has caused more trouble over the centuries...."
    No it hasn't. It has informed our society. And your vocation. That's what the post says.


    2. I believe that the US Constitution is the law of the land. Said document is very clear as to what right the government has vis-a-vis preventing free speech: none.

    3. Time and again, we see Liberals/Progressives/Democrats searching for reasons to restrict speech.
    Yours is a typical Liberals/Progressives/Democrats reaction to religion....and your knee-jerk reaction: shut it down.

    4. The America that I honor says to folks like you: you don't like what's said? Don't listen.

    5. "Are you some kind of Fundie, PC??
    Unlike you, Georgie...I'm a constitutionalist.
    My religion is none of your business.
     
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    Come back when you're feeling a little better. Then we can talk.
     
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    Why would you think I'm not feeling well....'cause I didn't swoon over your brilliant Liberal critique of religion?


    Georgie, you're clearly suffering from the delusions of those who live in the Liberal echo chamber.
     
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    Be careful what you wish for, it’s highly unlikely the Johnson Amendment will be ruled un-Constitutional. In Regan v. Taxation With Representation (1983), the Supreme Court upheld Section 501(c)(3), reasoning that the requirement to form two separate organizations – one charitable and tax exempt, the other engaged in political advocacy – does not violate the First Amendment.

    Religious organization are therefore free to engage in political speech provided the separate political entity is established per Section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code; Regan v. TWR has been upheld by subsequent Court rulings – it is considered settled law, and claims of government ‘violation’ of Free Speech baseless.

    Donald T. REGAN, Secretary of the Treasury, et al., Appellants, v. TAXATION WITH REPRESENTATION OF WASHINGTON. TAXATION WITH REPRESENTATION OF WASHINGTON, Appellant, v. Donald T. REGAN, Secretary of the Treasury, et al. | Supreme Court | LII / Legal
     

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