Fifth Amendment Latest Victim Of War On Terror...

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    An interesting but also very sad take from Bob Barr...


    During the course of the now decade-old “War on Terrorism,” both the administration of President Barack Obama and that of his predecessor, George W. Bush, aided by a largely compliant Congress, have sought and been given — or simply taken — unprecedentedly broad powers of surveillance and evidence-gathering that have severely diminished the heretofore protected civil liberties of U.S. citizens. Now, thanks to action the Congress is preparing to take, the threats to those liberties are being taken to a dangerous new level.

    The vehicle for this threat is the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). Lurking within this normally non-controversial piece of legislation that sets the budget for the Defense Department is a provision that would permit the U.S. military to detain civilian U.S. citizens indefinitely, even in the absence of formal charges being leveled against them.

    Its congressional supporters justify this radical and dramatic departure from more than two centuries of American jurisprudence by citing the 2001 Authorization of the Use of Military Force (AUMF), which Congress passed in the days following the attacks of 9/11 and the Bush administration used as a justification to expand its surveillance of U.S. citizens.

    Supporters of the NDAA are arguing that the 2001 AUMF authorizes the detention of U.S. citizens by the U.S. military based on nothing more than a claim that they might be linked to al Qaida or other, broadly designated “terrorist” forces.



    Read more: Bob Barr | NDAA | Fifth Amendment latest victim of War on Terror | The Daily Caller
     
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    What is happening to our nation?
     
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    Nothing. I can go outside and say whatever the hell I could say in 1990. Any questions, wimp?
     
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    It's run by people afraid to be seen as soft on terror and willing to do anything to avoid attacks happening on their watch. We are ruled by fear, even your OP is can be considered fear mongering. Terrorist attacks work apparently, we responded to 9/11 with the most embarrassing spasm of fear in our nation's history and it is not over yet. Every time Bush said that we should fear this or that I felt nauseous. Every time someone else tried to calm things down and urged a measured approach only to greeted by cries of "soft on terror" we slipped further away from being the home of the brave to being the home of easily led chicken shits.
     
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    Good observation. Thanks.
     
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    I'd say that-for the most part-you are confusing fear with caution. A lack of caution when faced with a real threat is simlpy stupid.
     
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    No one said you couldn't do that... Try and keep up.
     
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    That's an important distinction, to be sure. But occupied's observation is accurate. We've responded to 9/11 exactly as the terrorists hoped we would. We've given in to fear and acted rashly, specifically without caution.
     
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    What about "if you're not a terrorist, you've got nothing to hide"? I find it ironic that so many who said that after 9/11, are now hounding Obama for continung the policy! It's all in the execution, because there's no way we're getting rid of it all.
     
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    It was only the "terrorist loving liberals" who voiced any opposition to surveillance of American citizens back when the apparatus was being built to spy on us all. At this late date there is nothing we can do to reverse things as long as people are lily livered jellyfish when it comes to terrorists, we did not even act this scared when the Russians had thousands of ICBMs pointed at us. Sad.
     

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