Few African leaders show up for famine summit

Discussion in 'Africa' started by High_Gravity, Aug 26, 2011.

  1. High_Gravity
    Offline

    High_Gravity Belligerent Drunk Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2010
    Messages:
    38,754
    Likes Received:
    6,446
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Richmond VA
    Ratings:
    +6,446 / 0 / -0
    Thats right, let the West pay for it.:evil:

    Few African leaders show up for famine summit

    [​IMG]

    Africa famine conference draws few African leaders - latimes.com
    • Like Like x 1
  2. Truthseeker420
    Offline

    Truthseeker420 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2011
    Messages:
    10,293
    Likes Received:
    955
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Home of the 2013 BCS National Champion
    Ratings:
    +956 / 0 / -0
    That's sad these people can't get help. 2.4 billion is small compared to all the money thrown around.
  3. High_Gravity
    Offline

    High_Gravity Belligerent Drunk Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2010
    Messages:
    38,754
    Likes Received:
    6,446
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Richmond VA
    Ratings:
    +6,446 / 0 / -0
    The truth is we are more concerned about the Somalis than their fellow Africans are, and you can forget about the Muslims in the Middle east, they wouldn't piss on the Somalis if they were on fire.
    • Like Like x 1
  4. waltky
    Offline

    waltky VIP Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2011
    Messages:
    11,628
    Likes Received:
    768
    Trophy Points:
    73
    Location:
    Okolona, KY
    Ratings:
    +777 / 1 / -0
    That's three-quarters of a million people...
    :eek:
    Famine spreads with 750,000 at risk of death in Somalia alone, UN says
    5 Sep 2011 - More than 750,000 people will die of starvation in Somalia in the next four months unless urgent help arrives within weeks, the United Nations has said as it declared the country's famine had spread further.
  5. LAfrique
    Offline

    LAfrique Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2011
    Messages:
    1,386
    Likes Received:
    64
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +64 / 0 / -0
    Perhaps we are "more concerned" because we helped created their situations. Noticed how we were more concerned about 2010 Haiti catastrophic earthquake and had our rescue team already waiting in Haiti hours prior to the 7.0 magnitude earthquake?
  6. Sunshine
    Offline

    Sunshine Trust the pie. Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2009
    Messages:
    19,370
    Likes Received:
    3,028
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +3,030 / 0 / -0
    If I were a relief worker, I would think long and hard before going to Somalia.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_humanitarian_workers

    There is a longer list on the site. I didn't post near all of them.
  7. waltky
    Offline

    waltky VIP Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2011
    Messages:
    11,628
    Likes Received:
    768
    Trophy Points:
    73
    Location:
    Okolona, KY
    Ratings:
    +777 / 1 / -0
    Starvation makin' people susceptible to cholera...
    :eek:
    Cholera Claims 98 More Lives In Somalia
    Sun Sep 4, 2011 - A Cholera outbreak has killed at least 98 more Somalis and affected 1,200 others seriously in the famine-stricken African country, Press TV reported.
    See also:

    Less Severe Drought Forecast For Horn of Africa
    September 01, 2011 - Kenya's Turkana region shows effects of severe drought affecting Horn of Africa
    Last edited: Sep 5, 2011
  8. Matthew
    Offline

    Matthew Blue dog all the way!

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2010
    Messages:
    27,024
    Likes Received:
    1,701
    Trophy Points:
    140
    Location:
    Portland Oregon
    Ratings:
    +1,812 / 25 / -0
    Honestly most of these dictators don't give two shits about there people. That is just reality. I'd support removing all aid from that place and just pulling back to the borders...It is not worth another cent to rebuild or care about someone that hates you.
    Last edited: Sep 6, 2011
  9. syrenn
    Offline

    syrenn BANNED

    Joined:
    May 10, 2010
    Messages:
    47,840
    Likes Received:
    10,383
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +10,384 / 0 / -0

    Bingo!

    The US are the suckers of the world.
    • Like Like x 1
  10. High_Gravity
    Offline

    High_Gravity Belligerent Drunk Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2010
    Messages:
    38,754
    Likes Received:
    6,446
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Richmond VA
    Ratings:
    +6,446 / 0 / -0
    You are a damned fool Lafreak, the West has done nothing but try to help these people. eat a neg for a being a dickless faggot.:evil:
  11. PoliticalChic
    Offline

    PoliticalChic Gold Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2008
    Messages:
    33,822
    Likes Received:
    8,982
    Trophy Points:
    173
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Ratings:
    +9,004 / 7 / -0
    Your comment above the link hits the nail on the head....and the aid that the West gives is a large factor in the problem...

    From Dr. Dambiso Moyo, a Zambian economist educated at Oxford and Harvard, who has worked for the World Bank and Goldman Sachs, believes that foreign aid is the root cause of the spiral that has led Africa into its present situation.

    Her book is of the New York Times Bestseller "Dead Aid: Why Aid is Not Working and How there is a Better Way for Africa."

    1. Dr. Moro asks why the majority of sub-Saharan countries ‘flounder in a seemingly never-ending cycle of corruption, disease, poverty and aid-dependency,’ despite the fact that their countries have received more than $300 billion in development assistance since 1970. And her answer is that African countries are poor precisely because of all that aid!

    2. The most aid-dependent countries have exhibited an average annual growth rate of minus 0.2 per cent. Between 1970 and 1998, with aid to Africa at its peak, the poverty rate in Africa rose from 11% to a staggering 66%.

    3. Deep in every liberal sensibility is a profound sense that in a world of moral uncertainty one idea is sacred, on belief cannot be compromised: the rich should help the poor, and the form of that help should be aid.

    4. The notion that aid can alleviate systemic poverty, and has done so, is a myth. Millions in Africa are poorer today because of aid: misery and poverty have not ended but have increased. Aid has been and continues to be, an unmitigated political, economic, and humanitarian disaster for most parts of the developing world.

    5. With the rise of neo-liberal thinking, that African governments should liberalize their economies in favor of the laissez-faire paradigm, which encompassed, and acknowledged the importance of private markets, a model that worked well in the Asian tigers, there was a missing ingredient. Many of these newly capitalized nations were hardly conversant with the stability and transparency necessary for success. The movement took a turn toward ‘corruption.’

    a. After meeting with President Reagan, Zaire’s President Mobutu Sese Seko had asked for easier terms to service the country’s debt; he then promptly leased a Concorde jet to fly his daughter to her wedding in the Ivory Coast. Dead Aid: Why Aid is Not Working and How There Is Another Way for Africa by Dambisa Moyo review | Non-fiction book reviews - Times Online

    b. Moyo believes that dependency on aid “undermines the ability of Africans, whatever their station, to determine their own best economic and political policies”. She is rightly angry about the way Africa's elected officials and policymakers have often been excluded from the debate, and had little opportunity to argue the merits and demerits of aid, and alternative answers: “This very important responsibility has, for all intents and purposes, and to the bewilderment and chagrin of many an African, been left to musicians who reside outside Africa.” Since the situation remains bleak, western activists tend to press for further aid in an attempt to make things better….put Africans in control of their own destiny, and give small-scale business people and entrepreneurs the opportunities that they have had elsewhere. I suggest that Bono buys a copy of Dead Aid and claps Bob Geldof over the head with it, repeatedly. Ibid.
    • Like Like x 1
  12. Sunshine
    Offline

    Sunshine Trust the pie. Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2009
    Messages:
    19,370
    Likes Received:
    3,028
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +3,030 / 0 / -0
    ...........and drags the bodies of your soldiers in the street!~ Remember the Battle of Mogadishu!~
  13. High_Gravity
    Offline

    High_Gravity Belligerent Drunk Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2010
    Messages:
    38,754
    Likes Received:
    6,446
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Richmond VA
    Ratings:
    +6,446 / 0 / -0
    You are pretty much spot on PC, all this aid we are giving to these African countries actually makes things worse not better. You have to remember most of the leaders in Africa are nothing better than tin pot dictators who could give a shit less about their people, when you give those guys billions what do you think is going to happen? We have put so much money into Africa and we are getting so little back for our investment.
  14. Sunshine
    Offline

    Sunshine Trust the pie. Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2009
    Messages:
    19,370
    Likes Received:
    3,028
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +3,030 / 0 / -0
    What do you suggest be done? For as long as I can remember, I have seen the pics of starving babies in Africa. First one place then another. It never ends. We send people to help, and they kill a lot of those we send. So, clearly, there are some things they do not want from us. But if we don't send aid, we will be condemned the world over. Oh, wait! We send aid and we are condemned the world over anyway.
  15. High_Gravity
    Offline

    High_Gravity Belligerent Drunk Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2010
    Messages:
    38,754
    Likes Received:
    6,446
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Richmond VA
    Ratings:
    +6,446 / 0 / -0
    I really don't have the answers, when people see pictures of people starving and suffering it is a natural inclination for most to want to help. I do know one thing for sure we just can't throw money at the problem, we were going through the exact same thing in Somalia 20 years ago and here we are again, tossing billions of dollars at countries with corrupt governance or no real government to speak of is basically flushing that cash down the toilet and in the long run at the very best it is only a short term solution to a long term problem.
  16. PoliticalChic
    Offline

    PoliticalChic Gold Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2008
    Messages:
    33,822
    Likes Received:
    8,982
    Trophy Points:
    173
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Ratings:
    +9,004 / 7 / -0
    The answer, I belive is the same answer that should be used anywhere in the world.Consider the American Indians who are given their own land, and treated with benign neglect, in the words of Pat Moynihan....
    Then look at the Indians living on reservations under the auspices of the 'Great White Father.'

    There is the largely unspoken and insidious view that the problem with Africa is Africans- that culturally, mentally and physically Africans are innately different. That, somehow, deeply embedded in their psyche is An inability to embrace development and improve their own lot in life without foreign guidance and help.

    Nor is it the first time in history that cultural norms, social mores, or religious beliefs have been cited as the reasons for difference in development between different peoples. The German political economist and sociologist Max Weber argued that a Protestant work ethic contributed to the speed of technological advancement and explained the development seen in industrial Britain and other European nations.

    In his mind, there were two broad groups: the Calvinists, who believed in predestination and , depending on their lot, may or may not acquire wealth; and the believers in the Protestant work ethic who could advance through the sweat of their brow. As with Weber, Africa’s development quandary offers two routes; one in which Africans are viewed as children, unable to develop on their own or grow without being shown how or made to; and another which offers a shot at sustainable economic development- but which requires Africans to be treated as adults. The trouble with the aid-dependency model is, of course, that Africa is fundamentally kept in its perpetual childlike state.

    Again, from an African herself, Dr. Dambisa Moyo, "require Africans to be treated as adults."

    Education
    Free market
    The rule of law.

    And from Marcus Aurelius: Stand erect, or be made to stand erect.
    • Like Like x 1
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2011
  17. LAfrique
    Offline

    LAfrique Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2011
    Messages:
    1,386
    Likes Received:
    64
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +64 / 0 / -0

    Simply and sadly following in the footsteps of its parent Great Britain. Amazing how even an abused fruit rarely falls far from its parent.
  18. Sunshine
    Offline

    Sunshine Trust the pie. Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2009
    Messages:
    19,370
    Likes Received:
    3,028
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +3,030 / 0 / -0
    I agree. I don't know what a solution is either. We won't make any headway with Somalia. They will just kill our aid workers there. Wait and seen. I mean, we dump our medical waste off their shores and poach their fish so what else can we expect.

    There seems to be famine, disease, killing, and rape, at a critical mass somewhere in Africa all the time. Not a time in my life has there not been some or all of those things.

    I have worked with many people from Africa. Most of them have a brother in law who is some kind of king. Whoop ti do. But you would be surprised how many people are impressed by that here. It's unbelievable. After all, that IS the problem IMNSHO.

    Africa is a big continent. Still, I think there are a lot of people of the world who do not want to see any infrastructure there. We have this notion of Africa, with the wildlife being how 'God intended it to be.' Infrastructure would destroy that and many people, particularly those who go to 'hunt the big cat', want to preserve it the way it is even if people starve.

    I don't know the answer to their problems. One thing's for sure. That answer is NOT the US.
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2011
  19. Sunshine
    Offline

    Sunshine Trust the pie. Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2009
    Messages:
    19,370
    Likes Received:
    3,028
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +3,030 / 0 / -0
    The trouble with Africa is that it is a land of a multitude of little warring fiefdoms! Relating anything in Africa to the American Indians is horse shit!
  20. yidnar
    Offline

    yidnar VIP Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2011
    Messages:
    6,970
    Likes Received:
    752
    Trophy Points:
    88
    Location:
    Inside your head.
    Ratings:
    +759 / 1 / -0
    are you trying to say that we created the earth quake??

Share This Page