Fetal homicide ruling mandates 'Roe exception' challenge, Alabama justice says

I’ve always seen this as one of the ridiculous aspects of the whole abortion “debate” — how can the human and moral status of the fetus/baby depend solely upon whether the woman “wants” it or not? You want to kill it? Ok, it’s not a human child. You want to give birth but someone else kills it? Ok, that’s MURDER.

Leftists want to have it both ways, but this is incoherent, i.e., illogical.


As the Alabama Supreme Court upheld the state’s fetal homicide law in a ruling this month, one of the justices said the decision should force the U.S. Supreme Court to revisit its 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling.

Justice Tom Parker said it is a “logical fallacy” for the government to consider a fetus a life for the purposes of a murder conviction but not when it comes to a woman deciding to end her pregnancy.

Even lawyers within the pro-life community were conflicted on whether that is the kind of challenge the high court would — or even should — take up, but they said the dissonance between abortion jurisprudence and other areas of law, where a fetus is granted many of the attributes of personhood, is becoming tenuous.

“Fetal homicide laws acknowledge what science has already proven: that a unique human life begins at the very moment of fertilization. Abortion laws reject that reality,” said Lila Rose, a prominent pro-life advocate and president of Live Action.

The case in Alabama involved Jessie Livell Phillips, who was convicted of killing his wife when she was eight weeks pregnant.

A jury found him guilty of murder of “two or more persons” by one act, using a 2006 law that defined “person” as including a child in utero. The court sentenced him to death.

He appealed his death sentence, arguing that an unborn child is not a person with independent protections and that he therefore couldn’t be convicted of a double killing. The state Supreme Court rejected his case and upheld his death sentence, citing the state’s interest in protecting the life of both the born and unborn.

Read more at washingtontimes.com

Your opinions on the issue are consistent and I can't argue against them.

They are pretty liberal in a way. You want to use big government to tell ppl what THEY believe on the issue though.

Funny, some conservatives don't even like big government setting a minimum wage gor corporations big government helped create.
But the government FORCED US TO BUY OBAMACARE....at least be consistent! But every scientist admits conception is the beginning of a new person, and because of this, a woman has NO RIGHT to kill another, especially an innocent being!
 
I’ve always seen this as one of the ridiculous aspects of the whole abortion “debate” — how can the human and moral status of the fetus/baby depend solely upon whether the woman “wants” it or not? You want to kill it? Ok, it’s not a human child. You want to give birth but someone else kills it? Ok, that’s MURDER.

Leftists want to have it both ways, but this is incoherent, i.e., illogical.


As the Alabama Supreme Court upheld the state’s fetal homicide law in a ruling this month, one of the justices said the decision should force the U.S. Supreme Court to revisit its 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling.

Justice Tom Parker said it is a “logical fallacy” for the government to consider a fetus a life for the purposes of a murder conviction but not when it comes to a woman deciding to end her pregnancy.

Even lawyers within the pro-life community were conflicted on whether that is the kind of challenge the high court would — or even should — take up, but they said the dissonance between abortion jurisprudence and other areas of law, where a fetus is granted many of the attributes of personhood, is becoming tenuous.

“Fetal homicide laws acknowledge what science has already proven: that a unique human life begins at the very moment of fertilization. Abortion laws reject that reality,” said Lila Rose, a prominent pro-life advocate and president of Live Action.

The case in Alabama involved Jessie Livell Phillips, who was convicted of killing his wife when she was eight weeks pregnant.

A jury found him guilty of murder of “two or more persons” by one act, using a 2006 law that defined “person” as including a child in utero. The court sentenced him to death.

He appealed his death sentence, arguing that an unborn child is not a person with independent protections and that he therefore couldn’t be convicted of a double killing. The state Supreme Court rejected his case and upheld his death sentence, citing the state’s interest in protecting the life of both the born and unborn.

Read more at washingtontimes.com

Your opinions on the issue are consistent and I can't argue against them.

They are pretty liberal in a way. You want to use big government to tell ppl what THEY believe on the issue though.

Funny, some conservatives don't even like big government setting a minimum wage gor corporations big government helped create.
But the government FORCED US TO BUY OBAMACARE....at least be consistent! But every scientist admits conception is the beginning of a new person, and because of this, a woman has NO RIGHT to kill another, especially an innocent being!

Yup, the government got tired of the economic freeloaders and tried to make them buy insurance.

But yeah, your analogy is true. It is very easy to make arguments against abortion. Go have a big government run at changing abortion policy.

Just don't say nuttin about being conservative or Libertarian or for small government ever again.
 
I’ve always seen this as one of the ridiculous aspects of the whole abortion “debate” — how can the human and moral status of the fetus/baby depend solely upon whether the woman “wants” it or not? You want to kill it? Ok, it’s not a human child. You want to give birth but someone else kills it? Ok, that’s MURDER.

Leftists want to have it both ways, but this is incoherent, i.e., illogical.


As the Alabama Supreme Court upheld the state’s fetal homicide law in a ruling this month, one of the justices said the decision should force the U.S. Supreme Court to revisit its 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling.

Justice Tom Parker said it is a “logical fallacy” for the government to consider a fetus a life for the purposes of a murder conviction but not when it comes to a woman deciding to end her pregnancy.

Even lawyers within the pro-life community were conflicted on whether that is the kind of challenge the high court would — or even should — take up, but they said the dissonance between abortion jurisprudence and other areas of law, where a fetus is granted many of the attributes of personhood, is becoming tenuous.

“Fetal homicide laws acknowledge what science has already proven: that a unique human life begins at the very moment of fertilization. Abortion laws reject that reality,” said Lila Rose, a prominent pro-life advocate and president of Live Action.

The case in Alabama involved Jessie Livell Phillips, who was convicted of killing his wife when she was eight weeks pregnant.

A jury found him guilty of murder of “two or more persons” by one act, using a 2006 law that defined “person” as including a child in utero. The court sentenced him to death.

He appealed his death sentence, arguing that an unborn child is not a person with independent protections and that he therefore couldn’t be convicted of a double killing. The state Supreme Court rejected his case and upheld his death sentence, citing the state’s interest in protecting the life of both the born and unborn.

Read more at washingtontimes.com

Your opinions on the issue are consistent and I can't argue against them.

They are pretty liberal in a way. You want to use big government to tell ppl what THEY believe on the issue though.

Funny, some conservatives don't even like big government setting a minimum wage gor corporations big government helped create.
But the government FORCED US TO BUY OBAMACARE....at least be consistent! But every scientist admits conception is the beginning of a new person, and because of this, a woman has NO RIGHT to kill another, especially an innocent being!

Yup, the government got tired of the economic freeloaders and tried to make them buy insurance.

But yeah, your analogy is true. It is very easy to make arguments against abortion. Go have a big government run at changing abortion policy.

Just don't say nuttin about being conservative or Libertarian or for small government ever again.
Has nothing to do with big government, has everything to do with morals, ethics, and principles....see NO RELIGIOUS bias in what you were supposedly taught when you were a child!
 
I’ve always seen this as one of the ridiculous aspects of the whole abortion “debate” — how can the human and moral status of the fetus/baby depend solely upon whether the woman “wants” it or not? You want to kill it? Ok, it’s not a human child. You want to give birth but someone else kills it? Ok, that’s MURDER.

Leftists want to have it both ways, but this is incoherent, i.e., illogical.


As the Alabama Supreme Court upheld the state’s fetal homicide law in a ruling this month, one of the justices said the decision should force the U.S. Supreme Court to revisit its 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling.

Justice Tom Parker said it is a “logical fallacy” for the government to consider a fetus a life for the purposes of a murder conviction but not when it comes to a woman deciding to end her pregnancy.

Even lawyers within the pro-life community were conflicted on whether that is the kind of challenge the high court would — or even should — take up, but they said the dissonance between abortion jurisprudence and other areas of law, where a fetus is granted many of the attributes of personhood, is becoming tenuous.

“Fetal homicide laws acknowledge what science has already proven: that a unique human life begins at the very moment of fertilization. Abortion laws reject that reality,” said Lila Rose, a prominent pro-life advocate and president of Live Action.

The case in Alabama involved Jessie Livell Phillips, who was convicted of killing his wife when she was eight weeks pregnant.

A jury found him guilty of murder of “two or more persons” by one act, using a 2006 law that defined “person” as including a child in utero. The court sentenced him to death.

He appealed his death sentence, arguing that an unborn child is not a person with independent protections and that he therefore couldn’t be convicted of a double killing. The state Supreme Court rejected his case and upheld his death sentence, citing the state’s interest in protecting the life of both the born and unborn.

Read more at washingtontimes.com

Your opinions on the issue are consistent and I can't argue against them.

They are pretty liberal in a way. You want to use big government to tell ppl what THEY believe on the issue though.

Funny, some conservatives don't even like big government setting a minimum wage gor corporations big government helped create.
But the government FORCED US TO BUY OBAMACARE....at least be consistent! But every scientist admits conception is the beginning of a new person, and because of this, a woman has NO RIGHT to kill another, especially an innocent being!

Yup, the government got tired of the economic freeloaders and tried to make them buy insurance.

But yeah, your analogy is true. It is very easy to make arguments against abortion. Go have a big government run at changing abortion policy.

Just don't say nuttin about being conservative or Libertarian or for small government ever again.
Has nothing to do with big government, has everything to do with morals, ethics, and principles....see NO RELIGIOUS bias in what you were supposedly taught when you were a child!
Yup, no bias like you say.

Big government is imposing no bias towards those in this questionable situation. If you don't wanna have an abortion that's fine.

Now the decision not to have an abortion is also supported. You don't HAVE TO have one.

In my opinion abortion might just be wrong. I'm not gonna open that door and let government into your body.
 
I’ve always seen this as one of the ridiculous aspects of the whole abortion “debate” — how can the human and moral status of the fetus/baby depend solely upon whether the woman “wants” it or not? You want to kill it? Ok, it’s not a human child. You want to give birth but someone else kills it? Ok, that’s MURDER.

Leftists want to have it both ways, but this is incoherent, i.e., illogical.


As the Alabama Supreme Court upheld the state’s fetal homicide law in a ruling this month, one of the justices said the decision should force the U.S. Supreme Court to revisit its 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling.

Justice Tom Parker said it is a “logical fallacy” for the government to consider a fetus a life for the purposes of a murder conviction but not when it comes to a woman deciding to end her pregnancy.

Even lawyers within the pro-life community were conflicted on whether that is the kind of challenge the high court would — or even should — take up, but they said the dissonance between abortion jurisprudence and other areas of law, where a fetus is granted many of the attributes of personhood, is becoming tenuous.

“Fetal homicide laws acknowledge what science has already proven: that a unique human life begins at the very moment of fertilization. Abortion laws reject that reality,” said Lila Rose, a prominent pro-life advocate and president of Live Action.

The case in Alabama involved Jessie Livell Phillips, who was convicted of killing his wife when she was eight weeks pregnant.

A jury found him guilty of murder of “two or more persons” by one act, using a 2006 law that defined “person” as including a child in utero. The court sentenced him to death.

He appealed his death sentence, arguing that an unborn child is not a person with independent protections and that he therefore couldn’t be convicted of a double killing. The state Supreme Court rejected his case and upheld his death sentence, citing the state’s interest in protecting the life of both the born and unborn.

Read more at washingtontimes.com
Yer gettin' all tweaked over nothing. This isn't going anywhere for various reasons not the least of whitch is who the judge is.
 
I’ve always seen this as one of the ridiculous aspects of the whole abortion “debate” — how can the human and moral status of the fetus/baby depend solely upon whether the woman “wants” it or not? You want to kill it? Ok, it’s not a human child. You want to give birth but someone else kills it? Ok, that’s MURDER.

Leftists want to have it both ways, but this is incoherent, i.e., illogical.


As the Alabama Supreme Court upheld the state’s fetal homicide law in a ruling this month, one of the justices said the decision should force the U.S. Supreme Court to revisit its 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling.

Justice Tom Parker said it is a “logical fallacy” for the government to consider a fetus a life for the purposes of a murder conviction but not when it comes to a woman deciding to end her pregnancy.

Even lawyers within the pro-life community were conflicted on whether that is the kind of challenge the high court would — or even should — take up, but they said the dissonance between abortion jurisprudence and other areas of law, where a fetus is granted many of the attributes of personhood, is becoming tenuous.

“Fetal homicide laws acknowledge what science has already proven: that a unique human life begins at the very moment of fertilization. Abortion laws reject that reality,” said Lila Rose, a prominent pro-life advocate and president of Live Action.

The case in Alabama involved Jessie Livell Phillips, who was convicted of killing his wife when she was eight weeks pregnant.

A jury found him guilty of murder of “two or more persons” by one act, using a 2006 law that defined “person” as including a child in utero. The court sentenced him to death.

He appealed his death sentence, arguing that an unborn child is not a person with independent protections and that he therefore couldn’t be convicted of a double killing. The state Supreme Court rejected his case and upheld his death sentence, citing the state’s interest in protecting the life of both the born and unborn.

Read more at washingtontimes.com

Your opinions on the issue are consistent and I can't argue against them.

They are pretty liberal in a way. You want to use big government to tell ppl what THEY believe on the issue though.

Funny, some conservatives don't even like big government setting a minimum wage gor corporations big government helped create.
But the government FORCED US TO BUY OBAMACARE....at least be consistent! But every scientist admits conception is the beginning of a new person, and because of this, a woman has NO RIGHT to kill another, especially an innocent being!

Yup, the government got tired of the economic freeloaders and tried to make them buy insurance.

But yeah, your analogy is true. It is very easy to make arguments against abortion. Go have a big government run at changing abortion policy.

Just don't say nuttin about being conservative or Libertarian or for small government ever again.
Has nothing to do with big government, has everything to do with morals, ethics, and principles....see NO RELIGIOUS bias in what you were supposedly taught when you were a child!
Yup, no bias like you say.

Big government is imposing no bias towards those in this questionable situation. If you don't wanna have an abortion that's fine.

Now the decision not to have an abortion is also supported. You don't HAVE TO have one.

In my opinion abortion might just be wrong. I'm not gonna open that door and let government into your body.
The door had been opened, now to see just how far the morally superior can push back!
 
I’ve always seen this as one of the ridiculous aspects of the whole abortion “debate” — how can the human and moral status of the fetus/baby depend solely upon whether the woman “wants” it or not? You want to kill it? Ok, it’s not a human child. You want to give birth but someone else kills it? Ok, that’s MURDER.

Leftists want to have it both ways, but this is incoherent, i.e., illogical.


As the Alabama Supreme Court upheld the state’s fetal homicide law in a ruling this month, one of the justices said the decision should force the U.S. Supreme Court to revisit its 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling.

Justice Tom Parker said it is a “logical fallacy” for the government to consider a fetus a life for the purposes of a murder conviction but not when it comes to a woman deciding to end her pregnancy.

Even lawyers within the pro-life community were conflicted on whether that is the kind of challenge the high court would — or even should — take up, but they said the dissonance between abortion jurisprudence and other areas of law, where a fetus is granted many of the attributes of personhood, is becoming tenuous.

“Fetal homicide laws acknowledge what science has already proven: that a unique human life begins at the very moment of fertilization. Abortion laws reject that reality,” said Lila Rose, a prominent pro-life advocate and president of Live Action.

The case in Alabama involved Jessie Livell Phillips, who was convicted of killing his wife when she was eight weeks pregnant.

A jury found him guilty of murder of “two or more persons” by one act, using a 2006 law that defined “person” as including a child in utero. The court sentenced him to death.

He appealed his death sentence, arguing that an unborn child is not a person with independent protections and that he therefore couldn’t be convicted of a double killing. The state Supreme Court rejected his case and upheld his death sentence, citing the state’s interest in protecting the life of both the born and unborn.

Read more at washingtontimes.com
Yer gettin' all tweaked over nothing. This isn't going anywhere for various reasons not the least of whitch is who the judge is.
And here I thought this was an opinion dominated board!
 
Your opinions on the issue are consistent and I can't argue against them.

They are pretty liberal in a way. You want to use big government to tell ppl what THEY believe on the issue though.

Funny, some conservatives don't even like big government setting a minimum wage gor corporations big government helped create.
But the government FORCED US TO BUY OBAMACARE....at least be consistent! But every scientist admits conception is the beginning of a new person, and because of this, a woman has NO RIGHT to kill another, especially an innocent being!

Yup, the government got tired of the economic freeloaders and tried to make them buy insurance.

But yeah, your analogy is true. It is very easy to make arguments against abortion. Go have a big government run at changing abortion policy.

Just don't say nuttin about being conservative or Libertarian or for small government ever again.
Has nothing to do with big government, has everything to do with morals, ethics, and principles....see NO RELIGIOUS bias in what you were supposedly taught when you were a child!
Yup, no bias like you say.

Big government is imposing no bias towards those in this questionable situation. If you don't wanna have an abortion that's fine.

Now the decision not to have an abortion is also supported. You don't HAVE TO have one.

In my opinion abortion might just be wrong. I'm not gonna open that door and let government into your body.
The door had been opened, now to see just how far the morally superior can push back!
So your position is "since liberals are liberal, conservatives are liberal"?

That's close to the truth I see.
 
But the government FORCED US TO BUY OBAMACARE....at least be consistent! But every scientist admits conception is the beginning of a new person, and because of this, a woman has NO RIGHT to kill another, especially an innocent being!

Yup, the government got tired of the economic freeloaders and tried to make them buy insurance.

But yeah, your analogy is true. It is very easy to make arguments against abortion. Go have a big government run at changing abortion policy.

Just don't say nuttin about being conservative or Libertarian or for small government ever again.
Has nothing to do with big government, has everything to do with morals, ethics, and principles....see NO RELIGIOUS bias in what you were supposedly taught when you were a child!
Yup, no bias like you say.

Big government is imposing no bias towards those in this questionable situation. If you don't wanna have an abortion that's fine.

Now the decision not to have an abortion is also supported. You don't HAVE TO have one.

In my opinion abortion might just be wrong. I'm not gonna open that door and let government into your body.
The door had been opened, now to see just how far the morally superior can push back!
So your position is "since liberals are liberal, conservatives are liberal"?

That's close to the truth I see.
If that works in your mind...run with it!
 
Yup, the government got tired of the economic freeloaders and tried to make them buy insurance.

But yeah, your analogy is true. It is very easy to make arguments against abortion. Go have a big government run at changing abortion policy.

Just don't say nuttin about being conservative or Libertarian or for small government ever again.
Has nothing to do with big government, has everything to do with morals, ethics, and principles....see NO RELIGIOUS bias in what you were supposedly taught when you were a child!
Yup, no bias like you say.

Big government is imposing no bias towards those in this questionable situation. If you don't wanna have an abortion that's fine.

Now the decision not to have an abortion is also supported. You don't HAVE TO have one.

In my opinion abortion might just be wrong. I'm not gonna open that door and let government into your body.
The door had been opened, now to see just how far the morally superior can push back!
So your position is "since liberals are liberal, conservatives are liberal"?

That's close to the truth I see.
If that works in your mind...run with it!

Really I'm thanking you. Not too many folks abandon an ideology for what they believe is correct.
 
Has nothing to do with big government, has everything to do with morals, ethics, and principles....see NO RELIGIOUS bias in what you were supposedly taught when you were a child!
Yup, no bias like you say.

Big government is imposing no bias towards those in this questionable situation. If you don't wanna have an abortion that's fine.

Now the decision not to have an abortion is also supported. You don't HAVE TO have one.

In my opinion abortion might just be wrong. I'm not gonna open that door and let government into your body.
The door had been opened, now to see just how far the morally superior can push back!
So your position is "since liberals are liberal, conservatives are liberal"?

That's close to the truth I see.
If that works in your mind...run with it!

Really I'm thanking you. Not too many folks abandon an ideology for what they believe is correct.
It has always bothered me, the down right hatred of the unborn that a woman causes!
 
I’ve always seen this as one of the ridiculous aspects of the whole abortion “debate” — how can the human and moral status of the fetus/baby depend solely upon whether the woman “wants” it or not? You want to kill it? Ok, it’s not a human child. You want to give birth but someone else kills it? Ok, that’s MURDER.

Leftists want to have it both ways, but this is incoherent, i.e., illogical.


As the Alabama Supreme Court upheld the state’s fetal homicide law in a ruling this month, one of the justices said the decision should force the U.S. Supreme Court to revisit its 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling.

Justice Tom Parker said it is a “logical fallacy” for the government to consider a fetus a life for the purposes of a murder conviction but not when it comes to a woman deciding to end her pregnancy.

Even lawyers within the pro-life community were conflicted on whether that is the kind of challenge the high court would — or even should — take up, but they said the dissonance between abortion jurisprudence and other areas of law, where a fetus is granted many of the attributes of personhood, is becoming tenuous.

“Fetal homicide laws acknowledge what science has already proven: that a unique human life begins at the very moment of fertilization. Abortion laws reject that reality,” said Lila Rose, a prominent pro-life advocate and president of Live Action.

The case in Alabama involved Jessie Livell Phillips, who was convicted of killing his wife when she was eight weeks pregnant.

A jury found him guilty of murder of “two or more persons” by one act, using a 2006 law that defined “person” as including a child in utero. The court sentenced him to death.

He appealed his death sentence, arguing that an unborn child is not a person with independent protections and that he therefore couldn’t be convicted of a double killing. The state Supreme Court rejected his case and upheld his death sentence, citing the state’s interest in protecting the life of both the born and unborn.

Read more at washingtontimes.com

Your opinions on the issue are consistent and I can't argue against them.

They are pretty liberal in a way. You want to use big government to tell ppl what THEY believe on the issue though.

Funny, some conservatives don't even like big government setting a minimum wage gor corporations big government helped create.
But the government FORCED US TO BUY OBAMACARE....at least be consistent! But every scientist admits conception is the beginning of a new person, and because of this, a woman has NO RIGHT to kill another, especially an innocent being!

Yup, the government got tired of the economic freeloaders and tried to make them buy insurance.

But yeah, your analogy is true. It is very easy to make arguments against abortion. Go have a big government run at changing abortion policy.

Just don't say nuttin about being conservative or Libertarian or for small government ever again.
Has nothing to do with big government, has everything to do with morals, ethics, and principles....see NO RELIGIOUS bias in what you were supposedly taught when you were a child!

There is absolutely no consensus as to "morals" ethics, and principles" with regard to the issue of abortion. The same is true with the gun issue, and many other things. A woman choosing to have an abortion may not subscribe to your brand of "morals" ethics, and principles." Big Government has no business imposing the beliefs of a certain group on everyone.
 
Yup, no bias like you say.

Big government is imposing no bias towards those in this questionable situation. If you don't wanna have an abortion that's fine.

Now the decision not to have an abortion is also supported. You don't HAVE TO have one.

In my opinion abortion might just be wrong. I'm not gonna open that door and let government into your body.
The door had been opened, now to see just how far the morally superior can push back!
So your position is "since liberals are liberal, conservatives are liberal"?

That's close to the truth I see.
If that works in your mind...run with it!

Really I'm thanking you. Not too many folks abandon an ideology for what they believe is correct.
It has always bothered me, the down right hatred of the unborn that a woman causes!

Not sure I'd go that far.

How about we tie mandatory paternity tests for everyone the woman can reasonably claim was the father to this? That baby is 18 years of financial costs.

Remember I like Obamacare because it made the freeloaders pay SOMETHING. This will make the abandoners (I need a better word..) pay for the kid they've fathered.
 
I’ve always seen this as one of the ridiculous aspects of the whole abortion “debate” — how can the human and moral status of the fetus/baby depend solely upon whether the woman “wants” it or not? You want to kill it? Ok, it’s not a human child. You want to give birth but someone else kills it? Ok, that’s MURDER.

Leftists want to have it both ways, but this is incoherent, i.e., illogical.


As the Alabama Supreme Court upheld the state’s fetal homicide law in a ruling this month, one of the justices said the decision should force the U.S. Supreme Court to revisit its 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling.

Justice Tom Parker said it is a “logical fallacy” for the government to consider a fetus a life for the purposes of a murder conviction but not when it comes to a woman deciding to end her pregnancy.

Even lawyers within the pro-life community were conflicted on whether that is the kind of challenge the high court would — or even should — take up, but they said the dissonance between abortion jurisprudence and other areas of law, where a fetus is granted many of the attributes of personhood, is becoming tenuous.

“Fetal homicide laws acknowledge what science has already proven: that a unique human life begins at the very moment of fertilization. Abortion laws reject that reality,” said Lila Rose, a prominent pro-life advocate and president of Live Action.

The case in Alabama involved Jessie Livell Phillips, who was convicted of killing his wife when she was eight weeks pregnant.

A jury found him guilty of murder of “two or more persons” by one act, using a 2006 law that defined “person” as including a child in utero. The court sentenced him to death.

He appealed his death sentence, arguing that an unborn child is not a person with independent protections and that he therefore couldn’t be convicted of a double killing. The state Supreme Court rejected his case and upheld his death sentence, citing the state’s interest in protecting the life of both the born and unborn.

Read more at washingtontimes.com

Your opinions on the issue are consistent and I can't argue against them.

They are pretty liberal in a way. You want to use big government to tell ppl what THEY believe on the issue though.

Funny, some conservatives don't even like big government setting a minimum wage gor corporations big government helped create.
But the government FORCED US TO BUY OBAMACARE....at least be consistent! But every scientist admits conception is the beginning of a new person, and because of this, a woman has NO RIGHT to kill another, especially an innocent being!

Yup, the government got tired of the economic freeloaders and tried to make them buy insurance.

But yeah, your analogy is true. It is very easy to make arguments against abortion. Go have a big government run at changing abortion policy.

Just don't say nuttin about being conservative or Libertarian or for small government ever again.
Has nothing to do with big government, has everything to do with morals, ethics, and principles....see NO RELIGIOUS bias in what you were supposedly taught when you were a child!

There is absolutely no consensus as to "morals" ethics, and principles" with regard to the issue of abortion. The same is true with the gun issue, and many other things. A woman choosing to have an abortion may not subscribe to your brand of "morals" ethics, and principles." Big Government has no business imposing the beliefs of a certain group on everyone.

Big government gets to declare murder is murder.

Big government also didn't make the gal have sex.

(Personally I'm against outlawing abortion on my small government beliefs but I'll argue).
 
I’ve always seen this as one of the ridiculous aspects of the whole abortion “debate” — how can the human and moral status of the fetus/baby depend solely upon whether the woman “wants” it or not? You want to kill it? Ok, it’s not a human child. You want to give birth but someone else kills it? Ok, that’s MURDER.

Leftists want to have it both ways, but this is incoherent, i.e., illogical.


As the Alabama Supreme Court upheld the state’s fetal homicide law in a ruling this month, one of the justices said the decision should force the U.S. Supreme Court to revisit its 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling.

Justice Tom Parker said it is a “logical fallacy” for the government to consider a fetus a life for the purposes of a murder conviction but not when it comes to a woman deciding to end her pregnancy.

Even lawyers within the pro-life community were conflicted on whether that is the kind of challenge the high court would — or even should — take up, but they said the dissonance between abortion jurisprudence and other areas of law, where a fetus is granted many of the attributes of personhood, is becoming tenuous.

“Fetal homicide laws acknowledge what science has already proven: that a unique human life begins at the very moment of fertilization. Abortion laws reject that reality,” said Lila Rose, a prominent pro-life advocate and president of Live Action.

The case in Alabama involved Jessie Livell Phillips, who was convicted of killing his wife when she was eight weeks pregnant.

A jury found him guilty of murder of “two or more persons” by one act, using a 2006 law that defined “person” as including a child in utero. The court sentenced him to death.

He appealed his death sentence, arguing that an unborn child is not a person with independent protections and that he therefore couldn’t be convicted of a double killing. The state Supreme Court rejected his case and upheld his death sentence, citing the state’s interest in protecting the life of both the born and unborn.

Read more at washingtontimes.com
Yer gettin' all tweaked over nothing. This isn't going anywhere for various reasons not the least of whitch is who the judge is.
And here I thought this was an opinion dominated board!
Which is why I gave you my opinion.

Duh.
 
I’ve always seen this as one of the ridiculous aspects of the whole abortion “debate” — how can the human and moral status of the fetus/baby depend solely upon whether the woman “wants” it or not? You want to kill it? Ok, it’s not a human child. You want to give birth but someone else kills it? Ok, that’s MURDER.

Leftists want to have it both ways, but this is incoherent, i.e., illogical.


As the Alabama Supreme Court upheld the state’s fetal homicide law in a ruling this month, one of the justices said the decision should force the U.S. Supreme Court to revisit its 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling.

Justice Tom Parker said it is a “logical fallacy” for the government to consider a fetus a life for the purposes of a murder conviction but not when it comes to a woman deciding to end her pregnancy.

Even lawyers within the pro-life community were conflicted on whether that is the kind of challenge the high court would — or even should — take up, but they said the dissonance between abortion jurisprudence and other areas of law, where a fetus is granted many of the attributes of personhood, is becoming tenuous.

“Fetal homicide laws acknowledge what science has already proven: that a unique human life begins at the very moment of fertilization. Abortion laws reject that reality,” said Lila Rose, a prominent pro-life advocate and president of Live Action.

The case in Alabama involved Jessie Livell Phillips, who was convicted of killing his wife when she was eight weeks pregnant.

A jury found him guilty of murder of “two or more persons” by one act, using a 2006 law that defined “person” as including a child in utero. The court sentenced him to death.

He appealed his death sentence, arguing that an unborn child is not a person with independent protections and that he therefore couldn’t be convicted of a double killing. The state Supreme Court rejected his case and upheld his death sentence, citing the state’s interest in protecting the life of both the born and unborn.

Read more at washingtontimes.com
Yer gettin' all tweaked over nothing. This isn't going anywhere for various reasons not the least of whitch is who the judge is.
And here I thought this was an opinion dominated board!
Which is why I gave you my opinion.

Duh.
And I gave you mine....Duh!
 
I’ve always seen this as one of the ridiculous aspects of the whole abortion “debate” — how can the human and moral status of the fetus/baby depend solely upon whether the woman “wants” it or not? You want to kill it? Ok, it’s not a human child. You want to give birth but someone else kills it? Ok, that’s MURDER.

Leftists want to have it both ways, but this is incoherent, i.e., illogical.


As the Alabama Supreme Court upheld the state’s fetal homicide law in a ruling this month, one of the justices said the decision should force the U.S. Supreme Court to revisit its 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling.

Justice Tom Parker said it is a “logical fallacy” for the government to consider a fetus a life for the purposes of a murder conviction but not when it comes to a woman deciding to end her pregnancy.

Even lawyers within the pro-life community were conflicted on whether that is the kind of challenge the high court would — or even should — take up, but they said the dissonance between abortion jurisprudence and other areas of law, where a fetus is granted many of the attributes of personhood, is becoming tenuous.

“Fetal homicide laws acknowledge what science has already proven: that a unique human life begins at the very moment of fertilization. Abortion laws reject that reality,” said Lila Rose, a prominent pro-life advocate and president of Live Action.

The case in Alabama involved Jessie Livell Phillips, who was convicted of killing his wife when she was eight weeks pregnant.

A jury found him guilty of murder of “two or more persons” by one act, using a 2006 law that defined “person” as including a child in utero. The court sentenced him to death.

He appealed his death sentence, arguing that an unborn child is not a person with independent protections and that he therefore couldn’t be convicted of a double killing. The state Supreme Court rejected his case and upheld his death sentence, citing the state’s interest in protecting the life of both the born and unborn.

Read more at washingtontimes.com
Yer gettin' all tweaked over nothing. This isn't going anywhere for various reasons not the least of whitch is who the judge is.
And here I thought this was an opinion dominated board!
Which is why I gave you my opinion.

Duh.
And I gave you mine....Duh!
How nice for you.

So why were pissing and moaning about mine?
 
I’ve always seen this as one of the ridiculous aspects of the whole abortion “debate” — how can the human and moral status of the fetus/baby depend solely upon whether the woman “wants” it or not? You want to kill it? Ok, it’s not a human child. You want to give birth but someone else kills it? Ok, that’s MURDER.

Leftists want to have it both ways, but this is incoherent, i.e., illogical.


As the Alabama Supreme Court upheld the state’s fetal homicide law in a ruling this month, one of the justices said the decision should force the U.S. Supreme Court to revisit its 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling.

Justice Tom Parker said it is a “logical fallacy” for the government to consider a fetus a life for the purposes of a murder conviction but not when it comes to a woman deciding to end her pregnancy.

Even lawyers within the pro-life community were conflicted on whether that is the kind of challenge the high court would — or even should — take up, but they said the dissonance between abortion jurisprudence and other areas of law, where a fetus is granted many of the attributes of personhood, is becoming tenuous.

“Fetal homicide laws acknowledge what science has already proven: that a unique human life begins at the very moment of fertilization. Abortion laws reject that reality,” said Lila Rose, a prominent pro-life advocate and president of Live Action.

The case in Alabama involved Jessie Livell Phillips, who was convicted of killing his wife when she was eight weeks pregnant.

A jury found him guilty of murder of “two or more persons” by one act, using a 2006 law that defined “person” as including a child in utero. The court sentenced him to death.

He appealed his death sentence, arguing that an unborn child is not a person with independent protections and that he therefore couldn’t be convicted of a double killing. The state Supreme Court rejected his case and upheld his death sentence, citing the state’s interest in protecting the life of both the born and unborn.

Read more at washingtontimes.com
Yer gettin' all tweaked over nothing. This isn't going anywhere for various reasons not the least of whitch is who the judge is.
And here I thought this was an opinion dominated board!
Which is why I gave you my opinion.

Duh.
And I gave you mine....Duh!
How nice for you.

So why were pissing and moaning about mine?
Because I can!
 
Yer gettin' all tweaked over nothing. This isn't going anywhere for various reasons not the least of whitch is who the judge is.
And here I thought this was an opinion dominated board!
Which is why I gave you my opinion.

Duh.
And I gave you mine....Duh!
How nice for you.

So why were pissing and moaning about mine?
Because I can!
Ah, so basically just text-based masturbation then.

Knock yourself out kid.
 
Your opinions on the issue are consistent and I can't argue against them.

They are pretty liberal in a way. You want to use big government to tell ppl what THEY believe on the issue though.

Funny, some conservatives don't even like big government setting a minimum wage gor corporations big government helped create.
But the government FORCED US TO BUY OBAMACARE....at least be consistent! But every scientist admits conception is the beginning of a new person, and because of this, a woman has NO RIGHT to kill another, especially an innocent being!

Yup, the government got tired of the economic freeloaders and tried to make them buy insurance.

But yeah, your analogy is true. It is very easy to make arguments against abortion. Go have a big government run at changing abortion policy.

Just don't say nuttin about being conservative or Libertarian or for small government ever again.
Has nothing to do with big government, has everything to do with morals, ethics, and principles....see NO RELIGIOUS bias in what you were supposedly taught when you were a child!

There is absolutely no consensus as to "morals" ethics, and principles" with regard to the issue of abortion. The same is true with the gun issue, and many other things. A woman choosing to have an abortion may not subscribe to your brand of "morals" ethics, and principles." Big Government has no business imposing the beliefs of a certain group on everyone.

Big government gets to declare murder is murder.

Big government also didn't make the gal have sex.

(Personally I'm against outlawing abortion on my small government beliefs but I'll argue).

Government of any size does not have a right to impose a sectarian belief system of those currently in control of it, and in the process violate the rights of others.

"Gal"??? So WOMEN are supposed to explain to their husbands and boyfriends why they will not be getting any? So women have no right to exercise their own sexuality? Bizarre. What if a person is married to an abusive Duggar type who just screws and screws and screws and demands more because he is in a position to order her to spread her legs?

I take it that you would want all Americans to stick to masturbation and sleep in separate rooms? Yeah. Nobody loves anybody at all in the U.S. and nobody has any desire for emotional solace and intimacy. And, of course, nobody has a sexual nature that might inspire a straight guy to have some thoughts in response to seeing a beautiful, buxom actress and a straight woman to see a hunky shirtless actor and experience quite similar thoughts.

What planet are you from?
 

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