Fetal Homicide Laws are...

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U.S. Fetal Homicide Laws are. . .

  1. CONSTITUTIONAL

  2. NOT CONSTITUTIONAL

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  1. Faun
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    That brings us back to.... so what?

    Will you answer this time?
     
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    Unless you are being dubious or you are fishing for some sort of diversion, why are you wanting to engage in a hypothetical when we have real life factual information to work with?
     
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    You're the one dealing with hypotheticals. Using your own reasoning, if murder is what's given for killing a natural person, then obviously the legal definition of a natural human does NOT include a fetus that a mother consents to abort.
     
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    Try paying attention, Sparky. This thread is about our fetal Homicide laws and the Constitutionality thereof. It may play into the abortion debate eventually but it can also be debated on its own.
     
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    I asked you back in post #108 what constitutional text was violated. You ignored that and kept dragging out your hypotheticals that you can't even rationally apply.
     
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    Neither dubious nor diverting. Trying to understand your concerns over constitutionally. Of course they're Constitutional. All laws are Constitutional until overturned by the judicial branch.

    So again, for the third and last time.... so what?
     
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    He only cares about what the government has to say when it agrees with his agenda. That's what. Now he's going to continue being evasive since his position has been thoroughly debunked.
     
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    Exactly.

    Laws are presumed to be Constitutional until the courts rule otherwise.

    The thread premise is attempting – and failing – to advance the ‘argument’ that because fetal ‘homicide’ laws seek to punish those who cause the death of a fetus are subject to criminal prosecution, then abortion should likewise be rendered illegal.

    This ‘argument’ fails as a false comparison fallacy.

    Fetal ‘homicide’ laws protect the right of the mother to decide the outcome of her pregnancy, should she either wish to terminate the pregnancy or carry it to term.

    Indeed, such laws have provisions which exclude lawful abortions from the scope of the law, as we see in this measure from Colorado:

    “For purposes of a prosecution of a homicide or assault offense, the bill does not apply to:

    An act committed by the mother of her unborn child;

    A medical procedure performed by a physician or other

    licensed medical professional at the request of a mother of

    her unborn child or the mother's legal guardian; or

    The lawful dispensation or administration of lawfully

    prescribed medication.”

    http://www.leg.state.co.us/CLICS/CL...613C6C1787257E15006272AA?Open&file=268_01.pdf
     
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  9. Chuz Life
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    So many Sparkys, so little time.

    Under this and many other fetal HOMICIDE laws, The charge for killing a "child in the womb" in a criminal act is MURDER.

    Here is the question leftardz like yourself will not give a straight forward answer to.. "what does the charge of MURDER say about the personhood status of the victim killed?"
     
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    It's been answered already, dumbass. You ignored it.
     

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