Fellow libertarians....

[Shelzin]

In fact I'll bet that the Johnson votes won't make a difference in this election. Anyone want to take that bet?

If Paul isn't on the Ballot... yes... I'll take that bet. Kinda sucks that it's you though... I kind of like you.

What's the stakes?

Edit: And by not on the ballot means I can't really accept the bet till after we're sure that Paul really won't be on the Ballot.

Hmm...good point. Let me clarify. I'll bet that if you gave Romney all of the votes from the Libertarian candidate (I'm assuming it's Johnson, Ron Paul, and any Constitution Party candidate as well, it won't make a difference in the final outcome.

The stakes, hmmm..that's a tough one. There's time to iron that out.

Well met.

 

[Liberty]

Let me interject, your guys' bet should be you get to choose what the others' signature is for a week and they must post at least 5 times a day for that week on the politics board.

 

[PredFan]

Let me interject, your guys' bet should be you get to choose what the others' signature is for a week and they must post at least 5 times a day for that week on the politics board.

Fine except that we are both fairly close on our views. We'll come up with something. There's lots of time.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

That doesn't really work. Pro-Life is either/or whereas one doesn't have to follow a party's platform word for word to be a Libertarian. You are either pro-life or you're not.

Piss on the party platform. Does the person you vote for promote libertarian values. That's all that matters.

Ron Paul is both a republican and a libertarian. If you were to vote for libertarian values, but HAD to vote republican as well (don't know why that would happen but) who would be the better option? Paul or Mitt?

I mean if you are a libertarian, then to show it, wouldn't it be common sense to vote for the more libertarian candidate?

Ah but the Choice for a Libertarian is not just Paul or Romney, Its Paul, Romney or Obama. I Order to stick to ones Libertarian values and Vote for Paul or Johnson one must do so knowing they are very likely helping Obama win another Term. So the only question in their minds really should be who will do the most Damage to the Libertarian Cause. A Obama/Biden Second Term, or a Romney/Ryan first term, Because only a complete Moron believes Paul or Johnson can win.

Frankly, I'm of the opinion the faster we drive this fucker off the cliff, the faster the power elite lose control. This is a positive motivation for me to vote on principle and let the cards fall where they may. The sooner we decentralize the powers usurped by the federal government, the more likely it is the states can come back out of ceremonial status. Anyone clamoring about the damage to the cause of liberty is either blind or lacks the understanding of what liberty is all about. It certainly isn't about continuing corporatism (Romney all the way) to blind side a socialist policy base from the Obama side.

Say whatever you want about voting outside the paradigm of "lesser evils", the fact remains that neither of the two party choices are less damaging to the cause of liberty. That's a fools perception.

 

[SniperFire]

Piss on the party platform. Does the person you vote for promote libertarian values. That's all that matters.

Ron Paul is both a republican and a libertarian. If you were to vote for libertarian values, but HAD to vote republican as well (don't know why that would happen but) who would be the better option? Paul or Mitt?

I mean if you are a libertarian, then to show it, wouldn't it be common sense to vote for the more libertarian candidate?

Ah but the Choice for a Libertarian is not just Paul or Romney, Its Paul, Romney or Obama. I Order to stick to ones Libertarian values and Vote for Paul or Johnson one must do so knowing they are very likely helping Obama win another Term. So the only question in their minds really should be who will do the most Damage to the Libertarian Cause. A Obama/Biden Second Term, or a Romney/Ryan first term, Because only a complete Moron believes Paul or Johnson can win.

Frankly, I'm of the opinion the faster we drive this fucker off the cliff, the faster the power elite lose control. This is a positive motivation for me to vote on principle and let the cards fall where they may. The sooner we decentralize the powers usurped by the federal government, the more likely it is the states can come back out of ceremonial status. Anyone clamoring about the damage to the cause of liberty is either blind or lacks the understanding of what liberty is all about. It certainly isn't about continuing corporatism (Romney all the way) to blind side a socialist policy base from the Obama side.

Say whatever you want about voting outside the paradigm of "lesser evils", the fact remains that neither of the two party choices are less damaging to the cause of liberty. That's a fools perception.

In a total collapse, the next step is not liberty.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

To answer the OP more directly, no. It does not change my stance on this election cycle. Ryan is a neocon through and through. For bailouts - check. For more spending - check. For more war - check.

No.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Ah but the Choice for a Libertarian is not just Paul or Romney, Its Paul, Romney or Obama. I Order to stick to ones Libertarian values and Vote for Paul or Johnson one must do so knowing they are very likely helping Obama win another Term. So the only question in their minds really should be who will do the most Damage to the Libertarian Cause. A Obama/Biden Second Term, or a Romney/Ryan first term, Because only a complete Moron believes Paul or Johnson can win.

Frankly, I'm of the opinion the faster we drive this fucker off the cliff, the faster the power elite lose control. This is a positive motivation for me to vote on principle and let the cards fall where they may. The sooner we decentralize the powers usurped by the federal government, the more likely it is the states can come back out of ceremonial status. Anyone clamoring about the damage to the cause of liberty is either blind or lacks the understanding of what liberty is all about. It certainly isn't about continuing corporatism (Romney all the way) to blind side a socialist policy base from the Obama side.

Say whatever you want about voting outside the paradigm of "lesser evils", the fact remains that neither of the two party choices are less damaging to the cause of liberty. That's a fools perception.

In a total collapse, the next step is not liberty.

No, it isn't. Neither is choosing pure corporatism over socialism. If you like your well window dressed cage, that's your perogative.

 

[SniperFire]

Frankly, I'm of the opinion the faster we drive this fucker off the cliff, the faster the power elite lose control. This is a positive motivation for me to vote on principle and let the cards fall where they may. The sooner we decentralize the powers usurped by the federal government, the more likely it is the states can come back out of ceremonial status. Anyone clamoring about the damage to the cause of liberty is either blind or lacks the understanding of what liberty is all about. It certainly isn't about continuing corporatism (Romney all the way) to blind side a socialist policy base from the Obama side.

Say whatever you want about voting outside the paradigm of "lesser evils", the fact remains that neither of the two party choices are less damaging to the cause of liberty. That's a fools perception.

In a total collapse, the next step is not liberty.

No, it isn't. Neither is choosing pure corporatism over socialism. If you like your well window dressed cage, that's your perogative.

Me, I am not ready to assume America's complete collapse.

But the civil war you are calling for certainly remains a possibility.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

I wouldn't say i'm calling for it. I would prefer a peaceful shift in ideas. But if that fails, and it looks like it is failing, then the only recourse that is available is non-peaceful. Judging by the incredibly polarized two parties, that non-peaceful shift looks very likely. The US financial situation could be the black swan in that gasoline soaked fire.

 

[SniperFire]

You are calling for America's complete and utter destruction and probable civil war, should we not willing accept the military junta which assumes control.

Me, I will give Romney / Ryan a shot at it first.

But go ahead and give Obama your half vote by selecting Johnson.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

The US is too big and too spread for a junta or military authority to presume power.
I'm not selecting Johnson. He isn't much in the way of a non-interventionist based on the interviews I've heard from him.

I'll write my choice in and that "half vote" you speak of can go either way depending on whether the giant douche or the turd sandwich get more pleb votes.

 

[American Horse]

Ron Paul is not competent to be Secretary of the Treasury. I don't know where he could do more harm except perhaps as Secretary of Defense, but that at least might put the onus of duty as an American on him. I would like to see Paul as Sec. of Education, Agriculture, or Energy. He would do a good job in those last three, but not Commerce.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

LOL. I love a good opinion lacking any context. They are fun!

 

[Oddball]

The US is too big and too spread for a junta or military authority to presume power.
I'm not selecting Johnson. He isn't much in the way of a non-interventionist based on the interviews I've heard from him.

I'll write my choice in and that "half vote" you speak of can go either way depending on whether the giant douche or the turd sandwich get more pleb votes.

Meh...He hit my 90+% threshold for his relatively credibel stands on the issues....I gave up on anything more years ago.

He's certainly more sincere in his libertarian beliefs than a wind sock like Vinnie Vitalis.

 

[WillowTree]

...does the Paul Ryan VP choice change your mind on Romney at all? I am still voting for Johnson I think due to the lack of catering to my beliefs. Unless Romney announces if elected he will appoint ron paul as treasury secretary the chances of me voting for him are zero.

Furthermore, will you be writing in ron paul or voting for gary johnson? Since Johnson is not quite as libertarian as ron paul (and his ideas on border security are a bit too lax imo) but he is actually on the list of runners, I will probably just vote for him instead of writing in ron paul. What are your thoughts?

Well, I'd just like to thank you early for your help in getting obama re elected. You're a great American.

 

[Crackerjack]

...does the Paul Ryan VP choice change your mind on Romney at all? I am still voting for Johnson I think due to the lack of catering to my beliefs. Unless Romney announces if elected he will appoint ron paul as treasury secretary the chances of me voting for him are zero.

Furthermore, will you be writing in ron paul or voting for gary johnson? Since Johnson is not quite as libertarian as ron paul (and his ideas on border security are a bit too lax imo) but he is actually on the list of runners, I will probably just vote for him instead of writing in ron paul. What are your thoughts?

Well, I'd just like to thank you early for your help in getting obama re elected. You're a great American.

It will save the taxpayer the cost of moving in a new clown to the White House, so you're welcome.

 

[WillowTree]

...does the Paul Ryan VP choice change your mind on Romney at all? I am still voting for Johnson I think due to the lack of catering to my beliefs. Unless Romney announces if elected he will appoint ron paul as treasury secretary the chances of me voting for him are zero.

Furthermore, will you be writing in ron paul or voting for gary johnson? Since Johnson is not quite as libertarian as ron paul (and his ideas on border security are a bit too lax imo) but he is actually on the list of runners, I will probably just vote for him instead of writing in ron paul. What are your thoughts?

Well, I'd just like to thank you early for your help in getting obama re elected. You're a great American.

It will save the taxpayer the cost of moving in a new clown to the White House, so you're welcome.

libertarians voting for a tyrant.. very amusing donchyathink?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

GO Turd sandwich!!!

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Well, I'd just like to thank you early for your help in getting obama re elected. You're a great American.

It will save the taxpayer the cost of moving in a new clown to the White House, so you're welcome.

libertarians voting for a tyrant.. very amusing donchyathink?

Who's voting for Romney? I mean Obama?

 

[Crackerjack]

Well, I'd just like to thank you early for your help in getting obama re elected. You're a great American.

It will save the taxpayer the cost of moving in a new clown to the White House, so you're welcome.

libertarians voting for a tyrant.. very amusing donchyathink?

It's what happens when there is a choice of only tyrants.