Fellow libertarians....

[IHBF]

Johnson still gets my vote.

 

[onecut39]

No libertarians. I have listened to them and find them pretty much lunatics.

Thank you for that brief but comprehensive evaluation of the Libertarian movement.

 

[Zxereus]

...does the Paul Ryan VP choice change your mind on Romney at all? I am still voting for Johnson I think due to the lack of catering to my beliefs. Unless Romney announces if elected he will appoint ron paul as treasury secretary the chances of me voting for him are zero.

Furthermore, will you be writing in ron paul or voting for gary johnson? Since Johnson is not quite as libertarian as ron paul (and his ideas on border security are a bit too lax imo) but he is actually on the list of runners, I will probably just vote for him instead of writing in ron paul. What are your thoughts?

I don't see much Romney could do to change my judgement of him, which is based mostly on his record and that's not something he can really undo. I'll vote for Johnson.

You're voting for Obama then.

 

[bripat9643]

...does the Paul Ryan VP choice change your mind on Romney at all? I am still voting for Johnson I think due to the lack of catering to my beliefs. Unless Romney announces if elected he will appoint ron paul as treasury secretary the chances of me voting for him are zero.

Furthermore, will you be writing in ron paul or voting for gary johnson? Since Johnson is not quite as libertarian as ron paul (and his ideas on border security are a bit too lax imo) but he is actually on the list of runners, I will probably just vote for him instead of writing in ron paul. What are your thoughts?

A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Obama. It's a simple as that.

 

[Shelzin]

...does the Paul Ryan VP choice change your mind on Romney at all? I am still voting for Johnson I think due to the lack of catering to my beliefs. Unless Romney announces if elected he will appoint ron paul as treasury secretary the chances of me voting for him are zero.

Furthermore, will you be writing in ron paul or voting for gary johnson? Since Johnson is not quite as libertarian as ron paul (and his ideas on border security are a bit too lax imo) but he is actually on the list of runners, I will probably just vote for him instead of writing in ron paul. What are your thoughts?

I don't see much Romney could do to change my judgement of him, which is based mostly on his record and that's not something he can really undo. I'll vote for Johnson.

You're voting for Obama then.

If that's the way you want to see it... Yes.

In 2016 I'll be voting for the candidate that represents my values again. I suggest you do your best to change the party platform between now and then so you have a chance to be on the winning side.

 

[Pheonixops]

...does the Paul Ryan VP choice change your mind on Romney at all? I am still voting for Johnson I think due to the lack of catering to my beliefs. Unless Romney announces if elected he will appoint ron paul as treasury secretary the chances of me voting for him are zero.

Furthermore, will you be writing in ron paul or voting for gary johnson? Since Johnson is not quite as libertarian as ron paul (and his ideas on border security are a bit too lax imo) but he is actually on the list of runners, I will probably just vote for him instead of writing in ron paul. What are your thoughts?

HELL NO!

How do you consider Ron Paul to be more Libertarian than Gary Johnson? Just curious.

 

[Shelzin]

...does the Paul Ryan VP choice change your mind on Romney at all? I am still voting for Johnson I think due to the lack of catering to my beliefs. Unless Romney announces if elected he will appoint ron paul as treasury secretary the chances of me voting for him are zero.

Furthermore, will you be writing in ron paul or voting for gary johnson? Since Johnson is not quite as libertarian as ron paul (and his ideas on border security are a bit too lax imo) but he is actually on the list of runners, I will probably just vote for him instead of writing in ron paul. What are your thoughts?

A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Obama. It's a simple as that.

I'm good with that.

*shrugs*

You fucked up and backed the wrong man. That's not my fault.

 

[Dissent]

Nope. I decided way back in December it was Ron Paul or nothing as far as the Republican's went. Even for a long time it was NOBP but I decided I would rather help the Libertarian party so voting for Johnson even though I don't completely agree with him on everything.

 

[Pheonixops]

...does the Paul Ryan VP choice change your mind on Romney at all? I am still voting for Johnson I think due to the lack of catering to my beliefs. Unless Romney announces if elected he will appoint ron paul as treasury secretary the chances of me voting for him are zero.

Furthermore, will you be writing in ron paul or voting for gary johnson? Since Johnson is not quite as libertarian as ron paul (and his ideas on border security are a bit too lax imo) but he is actually on the list of runners, I will probably just vote for him instead of writing in ron paul. What are your thoughts?

Nope, nothing about this guy changes anything for me. Here is why -

Paul Ryan on Bailouts and Government Stimuli
-Voted YES on TARP (2008)
-Voted YES on Economic Stimulus HR 5140 (2008)
-Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)
-Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)


Paul Ryan on Entitlement Programs
-Voted YES on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003)
-Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers. (Jun 2006)
-Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Oct 2008)
-Voted YES on Head Start Act (2007)

Paul Ryan on Education
Rep. Ryan went along with the Bush Administration in supporting more federal involvement in education. This is contrary to the traditional Republican position, which included support for abolition of the Department of Education and decreasing federal involvement in education.
-Voted YES on No Child Left Behind Act (2001)

Paul Ryan on Civil Liberties
-Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)
-Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
-Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)

Paul Ryan on War and Intervention Abroad
-Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
-Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)
-Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
-Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)


Congressman Ryan supports the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, federal bailouts, increased federal involvement in education, unconstitutional and undeclared wars, Medicare Part D (a multi trillion dollar unfunded liability), stimulus spending, and foreign aid.


According to Michelle Malkin in 2009, “[Paul Ryan] gave one of the most hysterical speeches in the rush to pass TARP last fall; voted for the auto bailout; and voted with the Barney Frank-Nancy Pelosi AIG bonus-bashing stampede. Milwaukee blogger Nick Schweitzer wrote: ‘He ought to be apologizing for his previous votes, not pretending he was being responsible the entire time, but I don’t see one bit of regret for what he did previously. And I’ll be damned if I’m going to let him get away with it’.”




Source: Republican Liberty Caucus of Wisconsin

Wow, all I have to say is nice post and...................................

 

[dblack]

...does the Paul Ryan VP choice change your mind on Romney at all? I am still voting for Johnson I think due to the lack of catering to my beliefs. Unless Romney announces if elected he will appoint ron paul as treasury secretary the chances of me voting for him are zero.

Furthermore, will you be writing in ron paul or voting for gary johnson? Since Johnson is not quite as libertarian as ron paul (and his ideas on border security are a bit too lax imo) but he is actually on the list of runners, I will probably just vote for him instead of writing in ron paul. What are your thoughts?

I don't see much Romney could do to change my judgement of him, which is based mostly on his record and that's not something he can really undo. I'll vote for Johnson.

You're voting for Obama then.

A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Obama. It's a simple as that.

Idiotic lies. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Johnson. A vote for Obama is a vote for Obama. A vote for Romney is a vote for Romney. Apparently, the simplicity evades you.

 

[PredFan]

It won't change my mind. I have already decided to vote for Romney. I'm a Libertarian and I'd love to see a LP candidate in there someday but Obama needs to go, and he needs to go now. 4 more years of Obama and there won't be a free country left for a LP POTUS to fix.

In other words, "other-of-two-evils" wins again. Don't you find that at least a little depressing?

Sure it's depressing. I never said it wasn't, but my reasoning still holds true.

 

[PredFan]

...does the Paul Ryan VP choice change your mind on Romney at all? I am still voting for Johnson I think due to the lack of catering to my beliefs. Unless Romney announces if elected he will appoint ron paul as treasury secretary the chances of me voting for him are zero.

Furthermore, will you be writing in ron paul or voting for gary johnson? Since Johnson is not quite as libertarian as ron paul (and his ideas on border security are a bit too lax imo) but he is actually on the list of runners, I will probably just vote for him instead of writing in ron paul. What are your thoughts?

A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Obama. It's a simple as that.

A vote for Johnson is only a lost vote for Romney. I expect that Johnson and or Paul will net the exact same results as in 2008. Back in '08, if you gave McCain all of the votes that went to Ron Paul, he still would have lost.

 

[PredFan]

...does the Paul Ryan VP choice change your mind on Romney at all? I am still voting for Johnson I think due to the lack of catering to my beliefs. Unless Romney announces if elected he will appoint ron paul as treasury secretary the chances of me voting for him are zero.

Furthermore, will you be writing in ron paul or voting for gary johnson? Since Johnson is not quite as libertarian as ron paul (and his ideas on border security are a bit too lax imo) but he is actually on the list of runners, I will probably just vote for him instead of writing in ron paul. What are your thoughts?

HELL NO!

How do you consider Ron Paul to be more Libertarian than Gary Johnson? Just curious.

To many of the Libertarians here, you MUST fit their tight little list of qualifications to the letter or you're not a true libertarian.

 

[Pheonixops]

Libertarians need to get their shit together, and help us rid America of Barack Obama.

Paul is going nowhere, Johnson is going nowhere. Romney is the only chance !! Period !!

Thanks for the laugh!!!! I'm sure you will say the same thing in 2016 as well, you people aren't thinking ANYTHING about Libertarians. All you will do is gin up manic hysteria about "the only chance" or the most "important election in our lifetime" shit solely to manipulate people into voting for another civil liberties loathing set of neocons. Obama and his crew aren't any better, actually both of them are pretty much the SAME with a few little differences. Just look at ryan's voting record and compare them to Obala or biden's on those very issues and you will see only MINOR differences on some of them.

 

[PredFan]

Libertarians need to get their shit together, and help us rid America of Barack Obama.

Paul is going nowhere, Johnson is going nowhere. Romney is the only chance !! Period !!

Thanks for the laugh!!!! I'm sure you will say the same thing in 2016 as well, you people aren't thinking ANYTHING about Libertarians. All you will do is gin up manic hysteria about "the only chance" or the most "important election in our lifetime" shit solely to manipulate people into voting for another civil liberties loathing set of neocons. Obama and his crew aren't any better, actually both of them are pretty much the SAME with a few little differences. Just look at ryan's voting record and compare them to Obala or biden's on those very issues and you will see only MINOR differences on some of them.

Can't argue with the facts in your post, but I think he meant that Romney is the only chance to defeat Obama, which you must agree is true.

 

[Shelzin]

...does the Paul Ryan VP choice change your mind on Romney at all? I am still voting for Johnson I think due to the lack of catering to my beliefs. Unless Romney announces if elected he will appoint ron paul as treasury secretary the chances of me voting for him are zero.

Furthermore, will you be writing in ron paul or voting for gary johnson? Since Johnson is not quite as libertarian as ron paul (and his ideas on border security are a bit too lax imo) but he is actually on the list of runners, I will probably just vote for him instead of writing in ron paul. What are your thoughts?

HELL NO!

How do you consider Ron Paul to be more Libertarian than Gary Johnson? Just curious.

To many of the Libertarians here, you MUST fit their tight little list of qualifications to the letter or you're not a true libertarian.

Well... I'm still not a Libertarian as I define myself.

But I do believe that what you DO is more about who you are than what you SAY you are.

 

[PredFan]

HELL NO!

How do you consider Ron Paul to be more Libertarian than Gary Johnson? Just curious.

To many of the Libertarians here, you MUST fit their tight little list of qualifications to the letter or you're not a true libertarian.

Well... I'm still not a Libertarian as I define myself.

But I do believe that what you DO is more about who you are than what you SAY you are.

Agreed.

 

[Pheonixops]

Libertarians need to get their shit together, and help us rid America of Barack Obama.

Paul is going nowhere, Johnson is going nowhere. Romney is the only chance !! Period !!

Thanks for the laugh!!!! I'm sure you will say the same thing in 2016 as well, you people aren't thinking ANYTHING about Libertarians. All you will do is gin up manic hysteria about "the only chance" or the most "important election in our lifetime" shit solely to manipulate people into voting for another civil liberties loathing set of neocons. Obama and his crew aren't any better, actually both of them are pretty much the SAME with a few little differences. Just look at ryan's voting record and compare them to Obala or biden's on those very issues and you will see only MINOR differences on some of them.

Can't argue with the facts in your post, but I think he meant that Romney is the only chance to defeat Obama, which you must agree is true.

I agree, that is true. Sad but true, but what is the real big difference between the two of them?

 

[Shelzin]

Thanks for the laugh!!!! I'm sure you will say the same thing in 2016 as well, you people aren't thinking ANYTHING about Libertarians. All you will do is gin up manic hysteria about "the only chance" or the most "important election in our lifetime" shit solely to manipulate people into voting for another civil liberties loathing set of neocons. Obama and his crew aren't any better, actually both of them are pretty much the SAME with a few little differences. Just look at ryan's voting record and compare them to Obala or biden's on those very issues and you will see only MINOR differences on some of them.

Can't argue with the facts in your post, but I think he meant that Romney is the only chance to defeat Obama, which you must agree is true.

I agree, that is true. Sad but true, but what is the real big difference between the two of them?

*raises hand*

Obama believes in Green energy is the better future.
Mitt does not believe that.

Other than that... They are pretty damn minor.

 

[Shelzin]

Libertarians need to get their shit together, and help us rid America of Barack Obama.

Paul is going nowhere, Johnson is going nowhere. Romney is the only chance !! Period !!

Thanks for the laugh!!!! I'm sure you will say the same thing in 2016 as well, you people aren't thinking ANYTHING about Libertarians. All you will do is gin up manic hysteria about "the only chance" or the most "important election in our lifetime" shit solely to manipulate people into voting for another civil liberties loathing set of neocons. Obama and his crew aren't any better, actually both of them are pretty much the SAME with a few little differences. Just look at ryan's voting record and compare them to Obala or biden's on those very issues and you will see only MINOR differences on some of them.

Can't argue with the facts in your post, but I think he meant that Romney is the only chance to defeat Obama, which you must agree is true.

No... I do not agree that to be true. If the republican party via Willard Romney stepped down and promoted Ron as their candidate.. Ron wins. By a landslide.