CDZ Federal government furloughs should be permanent.

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    Spent 33 years working for DoD

    Saw some of the best and some of the worst in terms of employee incentives
    I saw what happens when you save money by slashing employee benefits and compensation. Saw what happens when you offer graduating engineers $22,000 while the private sector is offering $35,000. Private sector gets the A and B students while the Government gets the C students. Government ends up hiring the people cut lose by the private sector

    So in negotiating with defense contractors you are sending Junior Engineers to deal with the Defense Industries top people
     
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    The gov't has a real hard time keeping employees. They can generally make more in the private sector so the young, the competent, and the ambitious ones leave. What does that leave?
     
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    If you can't compete for the best, you end up with the leftovers
     
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    Don't berate yourself so.

    Most of them do nothing but push paper, in duplicate.
     
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    These are the people given the responsibility to spend trillions of the taxpayer dollars
    Want to cut corners? What do you think will happen?
     
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    Did I say corners?

    Or are you still coming down from last night's trip?
     
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    No idea what you are babbling about
     
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    That is why you fail.
     
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    Here is the big problem. As outsiders we do not know who is accomplishing something and who is not.

    Personally I'd like to start with just the Corps of Engineers. IMO they have failed us economically and environmentally. The only thing this Corps accomplishes is welfare for land developers, welfare for the the descendants of farmers and welfare for barge traffic.

    BUT, wouldn't you know it, the descendants of farmers lobbyists and the barge industry lobbyists are going to fight against any cuts to the Corps.

    As a longer term more minor problem releasing government employees may lead to a lowering of salaries. A part of capitalism is what competition does to prices. When there is more competition for fewer jobs the cost of labor will go down. Great for companies and 1%ers. Bad for people with jobs and I THINK they economy as a whole. The lowering of wages does not keep me from loving your idea. It makes me want to take it on slowly though.
     
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    I don't think you understand how our government works. The fact is that the Corps is one of the best run agencies in the gov't. It is Congress that allocates money and tells the Corps which projects to work on. If you have a problem with what the Corps does, take it up with Congress. The Corps then writes contracts to do the work. Almost all the work is done by private firms, not by the gov't itself. The Corps is how Congress does its' pork.

    As for a 5% across the board cut (the military too?), don't expect zero impact to services. In fact, just the opposite will occur as everything will become more wasteful and expensive to do.
     
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