Fear Arab Extremism? Blame Washington

[georgephillip]

"In the last year of his life, Martin Luther King Jr. questioned US military interventions against progressive movements in the Third World by invoking a JFK quote: 'Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.'

"Were he alive to witness the last three decades of US foreign policy, King might update that quote by noting: 'Those who make secular revolution impossible will make extreme Islamist revolution inevitable...

"For decades beginning during the Cold War, US policy in the Islamic world has been aimed at suppressing secular reformist and leftist movements.

"Beginning with the CIA-engineered coup against a secular democratic reform government in Iran in 1953 (it was about oil), Washington has propped up dictators, coaching these regimes in the black arts of torture and mayhem against secular liberals and the left.

"In these dictatorships, often the only places where people had freedom to meet and organize were mosques - and out of these mosques sometimes grew extreme Islamist movements.

"The Shah's torture state in Iran was brilliant at cleansing and murdering the left - a process that helped the rise of the Khomeini movement and ultimately Iran's Islamic Republic.

In a pattern growing out of what King called Washington's 'irrational, obsessive anti-communism,' US foreign policy also backed extreme Islamists over secular movements or government that were either Soviet-allied or feared to be."

Fear Extreme Islamists...

 

[Epsilon Delta]

Aaaand then he got shot.

Anyway, why blame Washington? Just because "Made in U.S.A" happens to be writ all over the equipment, weapons, and tear gas in the arsenal of every security apparatus in the Middle East barring Iran and Lebanon? And what do you suggest? Allowing these repressive regimes to fall in Iran-like fashion?

Listen buddy, you and Obama-lama are making a huge mistake. You just don't know your history. The only way to prevent radicalizing a population or turning them against you is to brutally support the suppression of any democratic initiative. Why do you think Soviet Russia spent so much time and energy brutalizing the population of Eastern Europe and Central Asia? Thanks to their support of dictatorial and illegitimate regimes that put Russia's interest and security ahead of their populations, Russia is still today seen as a shining beacon of hope from East Germany to Uzbekistan, and the Soviet Union has never been safer.

<_>

 

[georgephillip]

Does this mean it's time to learn Uzbek?

"Obama-lama"?

Is that a venerated Wall Street apologist/war criminal or a holy South American camelid known for spitting and kicking?

 

[Epsilon Delta]

Does this mean it's time to learn Uzbek?

"Obama-lama"?

Is that a venerated Wall Street apologist/war criminal or a holy South American camelid known for spitting and kicking?

I dunno what you're talking about, George. I was just kidding. I was parodying the position of some board members, which I refer to as the United States Authoritarian Regime Fan Club or USAR F.C. for short, who adhere to the Mike Tyson Theory of foreign policy.

 

[bucs90]

I fear Arab extremism because of the Arabs that did, and those that attempted, to blow up thousands of innocent Americans on our own soil.

 

[Avatar4321]

I blame Canada

 

[whitehall]

"In the last year of his life, Martin Luther King Jr. questioned US military interventions against progressive movements in the Third World by invoking a JFK quote: 'Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.'

"Were he alive to witness the last three decades of US foreign policy, King might update that quote by noting: 'Those who make secular revolution impossible will make extreme Islamist revolution inevitable...

"For decades beginning during the Cold War, US policy in the Islamic world has been aimed at suppressing secular reformist and leftist movements.

"Beginning with the CIA-engineered coup against a secular democratic reform government in Iran in 1953 (it was about oil), Washington has propped up dictators, coaching these regimes in the black arts of torture and mayhem against secular liberals and the left.

"In these dictatorships, often the only places where people had freedom to meet and organize were mosques - and out of these mosques sometimes grew extreme Islamist movements.

"The Shah's torture state in Iran was brilliant at cleansing and murdering the left - a process that helped the rise of the Khomeini movement and ultimately Iran's Islamic Republic.

In a pattern growing out of what King called Washington's 'irrational, obsessive anti-communism,' US foreign policy also backed extreme Islamists over secular movements or government that were either Soviet-allied or feared to be."

Fear Extreme Islamists...

It's still about oil only the left has doubled down with the global warming fraud. Now we are selling our grand-kids future on the promise of a shyster Chicago community activist.

 

[georgephillip]

Does this mean it's time to learn Uzbek?

"Obama-lama"?

Is that a venerated Wall Street apologist/war criminal or a holy South American camelid known for spitting and kicking?

I dunno what you're talking about, George. I was just kidding. I was parodying the position of some board members, which I refer to as the United States Authoritarian Regime Fan Club or USAR F.C. for short, who adhere to the Mike Tyson Theory of foreign policy.

Is it too late to trade Tyson for Obama? (Hillary??)

Maybe we could toss in a Dali Llama or two?

I've also noticed how some of our fellow board members resist applying the same moral standards to their country they insist on for others.

Perhaps what's happening now in the Middle East will open a few USAR F.C. eyes, as well.

Noam Chomsky is calling the Egyptian Uprising the most remarkable event of its kind he has ever seen.

Will it spread?

 

[georgephillip]

I fear Arab extremism because of the Arabs that did, and those that attempted, to blow up thousands of innocent Americans on our own soil.

The mass murder committed on 911 didn't occur in a historical vacuum; although, anyone would be hard pressed to learn that from our corporate media:

"In Afghanistan, beginning BEFORE the Soviet invasion and evolving into the biggest CIA covert operation of the 1980s, the US armed and trained native mujahedeen fighters - some of whom went on to form the Taliban.

"To aid the mujahedeen, the US recruited and brought to Afghanistan religious fanatics from the Arab world - some of whom went on to form Al Qaeda.

"(Like these Washington geniuses, Israeli intelligence - in a divide-and-conquer scheme aimed at combating secular leftist Palestinians - covertly funded Islamist militants in the occupied territories who we now know as Hamas.)

"This is hardly obscure history.

"Except in US mainstream media.

"One of the mantras on US television news all day Friday was: Be fearful of the democratic uprisings against US allies in Egypt (and Tunisia and elsewhere).

"After all, we were told by Fox News and CNN and Chris Matthews on MSNBC, it could end up as bad as when 'our ally' in Iran was overthrown and the extremists came to power in 1979."

Fear Extreme...

If you're interested in how Islamic radicals took power in Iran, you have to start with an elected secular Iranian Prime Minister named: "Mohammad Mosaddegh or Mosaddeq (Persian: &#1605;&#1581;&#1605;&#1583; &#1605;&#1589;&#1583;&#1617;&#1602;, IPA: [mohæm&#712;mæd(-e) mosæd&#712;de&#611;] ( listen)*), also Mossadegh, Mossadeq, Mosadeck, or Musaddiq (19 May 1882 &#8211; 5 March 1967), was the democratically elected[1][2][3] Prime Minister of Iran from 1951 to 1953 when he was overthrown in a coup d'état backed by the United States Central Intelligence Agency.

Wiki

For thousands of years the richest among us have used all governments to socialize cost and privatize profit. Egyptians and others across the Middle East are rising against that in a way similar to the Eastern European/Central Asian uprising against Communism two decades ago.

How many of us in this country will even view this global fight in terms or rich v poor?

That's what I fear most.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

DA: Portuguese Journalist Castrated With Corkscrew

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork/AP) &#8211; A Portuguese model accused of killing a celebrity TV journalist in a hotel admitted to brutally attacking him for more than an hour &#8212; castrating him with a corkscrew, stabbing him in the face, slamming a computer monitor into his head and stomping on his face, prosecutors said Tuesday.
Renato Seabra, 21, remained silent at his arraignment in Manhattan State Supreme Court. His lawyer entered a not-guilty plea on his behalf.
Court papers presented by prosecutors detailed the statement that police said Seabra gave to investigators after the Jan. 7 death of well-known Portuguese journalist Carlos Castro while the two were vacationing in Manhattan.
The account depicted an argument in a hotel room that turned vicious and escalated into a prolonged frenzy &#8212; with Seabra first choking his companion, then stabbing him with a corkscrew in his face and groin. Seabra also admitted to hitting the 65-year-old Castro on the head with a computer monitor and stomping on his face while wearing shoes, the papers said.
After the attack, Seabra told police, he showered, put on a suit and left. When he ran into a friend of Castro&#8217;s as well as her daughter, he at first refused to answer questions about Castro&#8217;s whereabouts but then said he was in the hotel room and gave them the room number: 3416. He then left the InterContinental New York Times Square hotel, wandered around the city and eventually got into a taxi that took him to St. Luke&#8217;s-Roosevelt Hospital Center, the papers said.
The city medical examiner has ruled Castro died of head injuries and strangulation.

Medical Examiner: Castro Died Of Head Injuries, StrangulationCBS New York

 

[Dr.Drock]

On a side note I've never understood why the folks in Washington talk so openly about how they revere Martin Luther King Jr, when none of them share his hardcore anti-war in all scenarios view.

People in Washington should be bashing MLK, paint him as some kind of anti-american pacifist or something. That would make more sense.

 

[georgephillip]

I blame Canada

Why not Israel?

 

[WillowTree]

I blame Bristol. errrr white precious.

 

[georgephillip]

"In the last year of his life, Martin Luther King Jr. questioned US military interventions against progressive movements in the Third World by invoking a JFK quote: 'Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.'

"Were he alive to witness the last three decades of US foreign policy, King might update that quote by noting: 'Those who make secular revolution impossible will make extreme Islamist revolution inevitable...

"For decades beginning during the Cold War, US policy in the Islamic world has been aimed at suppressing secular reformist and leftist movements.

"Beginning with the CIA-engineered coup against a secular democratic reform government in Iran in 1953 (it was about oil), Washington has propped up dictators, coaching these regimes in the black arts of torture and mayhem against secular liberals and the left.

"In these dictatorships, often the only places where people had freedom to meet and organize were mosques - and out of these mosques sometimes grew extreme Islamist movements.

"The Shah's torture state in Iran was brilliant at cleansing and murdering the left - a process that helped the rise of the Khomeini movement and ultimately Iran's Islamic Republic.

In a pattern growing out of what King called Washington's 'irrational, obsessive anti-communism,' US foreign policy also backed extreme Islamists over secular movements or government that were either Soviet-allied or feared to be."

Fear Extreme Islamists...

It's still about oil only the left has doubled down with the global warming fraud. Now we are selling our grand-kids future on the promise of a shyster Chicago community activist.

There's no doubt in my mind that Obama's supporters are incapable of judging him by the content of his character or policies; however, that doesn't mean his support for corrupt dictators like Mubarak should go unchallenged.

Neither Democrats nor Republicans are likely to cut off US aid to friendly dictators.

 

[editec]

While I thanked Gerorge for reminding us that, in part extremism in the Arab world has much to do with the fact that their own governments are repressive, and to some extent the USA plays a role in propping up these repressive regimes...

know that this extremism in the Arab world has been part of that scene since LONG BEFORE the USA started being a major player in their affairs.

The Arab Brotherhood, for example, was founded in 1928.

Of course the modern WEST (read England France, mostly) have been insinuating themselves in the Islamic world's political since Napoleon invaded Egypt in the eath 19th century.

And the Treaty of Versailles that created the post WWI world, and dealt with pretty much every hotspot in today's headlines gave European WWI allies control over most of the midEast and central Asia and North Africa, too.

Picvk a hot spot today where people are up in arms and hatful of the West and guess what?

They were MANDATES nations controlled (and in socme cases created) by the WEST.

 

[georgephillip]

DA: Portuguese Journalist Castrated With Corkscrew

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork/AP) &#8211; A Portuguese model accused of killing a celebrity TV journalist in a hotel admitted to brutally attacking him for more than an hour &#8212; castrating him with a corkscrew, stabbing him in the face, slamming a computer monitor into his head and stomping on his face, prosecutors said Tuesday.
Renato Seabra, 21, remained silent at his arraignment in Manhattan State Supreme Court. His lawyer entered a not-guilty plea on his behalf.
Court papers presented by prosecutors detailed the statement that police said Seabra gave to investigators after the Jan. 7 death of well-known Portuguese journalist Carlos Castro while the two were vacationing in Manhattan.
The account depicted an argument in a hotel room that turned vicious and escalated into a prolonged frenzy &#8212; with Seabra first choking his companion, then stabbing him with a corkscrew in his face and groin. Seabra also admitted to hitting the 65-year-old Castro on the head with a computer monitor and stomping on his face while wearing shoes, the papers said.
After the attack, Seabra told police, he showered, put on a suit and left. When he ran into a friend of Castro&#8217;s as well as her daughter, he at first refused to answer questions about Castro&#8217;s whereabouts but then said he was in the hotel room and gave them the room number: 3416. He then left the InterContinental New York Times Square hotel, wandered around the city and eventually got into a taxi that took him to St. Luke&#8217;s-Roosevelt Hospital Center, the papers said.
The city medical examiner has ruled Castro died of head injuries and strangulation.

Medical Examiner: Castro Died Of Head Injuries, StrangulationCBS New York

Noam Chomsky: ?This Is The Most Remarkable Regional Uprising That I Can Remember? | CommonDreams.org

 

[georgephillip]

While I thanked Gerorge for reminding us that, in part extremism in the Arab world has much to do with the fact that their own governments are repressive, and to some extent the USA plays a role in propping up these repressive regimes...

know that this extremism in the Arab world has been part of that scene since LONG BEFORE the USA started being a major player in their affairs.

The Arab Brotherhood, for example, was founded in 1928.

Of course the modern WEST (read England France, mostly) have been insinuating themselves in the Islamic world's political since Napoleon invaded Egypt in the eath 19th century.

And the Treaty of Versailles that created the post WWI world, and dealt with pretty much every hotspot in today's headlines gave European WWI allies control over most of the midEast and central Asia and North Africa, too.

Picvk a hot spot today where people are up in arms and hatful of the West and guess what?

They were MANDATES nations controlled (and in socme cases created) by the WEST.

Chomsky has called the events currently unfolding in Egypt the most remarkable he has seen in his life time.

Noam Chomsky: ?This Is The Most Remarkable Regional Uprising That I Can Remember? | CommonDreams.org