FDR said what!!!!

[Modbert]

What two methods was he referring to and if those didn't work such as the democratic process then what powers are associated with leaders during wartime?

Considering he used the Constitution several times, it's clear.

The second quote was about the economy. He was referring to us working together as a dedicated group (like an army), making sacrifices (like an army), and trusting our leaders (like an army) to lead us to a better tomorrow.

The third quote, he was clear about what he was asking. He would want broad executive power if it became to a level of the crisis. Lincoln got the same thing during the Civil War, our Founding Fathers had something similar if I remember during the Revolution, and Bush had the same thing after 9/11. Does it make right? Not necessarily, but he's being upfront about it.

 

[ihopehefails]

Umm FDR is no longer president.

He is the guy that so many liberals want the current president to emulate.

He is exactly what Obama is emulating. And did you just hear that FDR wasn't really any more successful than Hoover was at ending the recession? It was WW2's industrialization that got us out of the recession. But FDR, like Obama, was able to make the recession more palatable to the American people. He made people feel like at least the government was trying and cared.

Do you know the rich called FDR a traitor to his own class? He was a liberal and they were the "conservatives". And you middle class right wingers don't realize YOU are traitors to your class.

Which is exactly the opposite when Bush/Hoover were in charge. Zero confidence those Robber Baron's were working in our interest.

Also, during Hoover's time, black people were Republicans. It was the Great Mississippi flood that made blacks turn into Dems. Very similar to Katrina.

What should this tell us? Don't let Republicans run the government. Bush didn't even win. He stole Ohio in 04 and Florida in 2000. So no wonder the masses couldn't stand him. But Bush had the media in his pocket and his masters were the defense contractors, oil barons and every other coporation. Only manufacturing got screwed. And their CEO's walked away with millions too. It was all to crush labor.

Hell, the GOP and rich created this recession and the Great Depression. They got richer both times. We need to wake up.

Hoover did a lot of economic intervention that made things worse but Rosevelt continued them for 12 years which kept America down when other countries were recovering. Its the same now as it was then. We had a republican president like Hoover who did many of the same things that people on the left like to do and I've heard how many liberals want Obama to be like rosevelt. Do you not read time magazine?

How can someone be a traitor to their class by not buying into a certain political idealogy that they are suppose to have. Who said middle-class had to vote democrat or subscribe to their communist thinking? Its no more "collectivist" then saying to someone that they are a traitor to their race (as in black) by voting conservative.

Again, very anti-individualistic when you assume a large portion of a society who happens to share a common trait such as being middle-class or black have to share all other traits with each other such as assuming they are suppose to be the same politically.

 

[ihopehefails]

What two methods was he referring to and if those didn't work such as the democratic process then what powers are associated with leaders during wartime?

Considering he used the Constitution several times, it's clear.

The second quote was about the economy. He was referring to us working together as a dedicated group (like an army), making sacrifices (like an army), and trusting our leaders (like an army) to lead us to a better tomorrow.

The third quote, he was clear about what he was asking. He would want broad executive power if it became to a level of the crisis. Lincoln got the same thing during the Civil War, our Founding Fathers had something similar if I remember during the Revolution, and Bush had the same thing after 9/11. Does it make right? Not necessarily, but he's being upfront about it.

When we don't work together then he will bind us together under a military dictatorship or it is his way or the highway. The people that lived in this country didn't get a real choice did they but since he was upfront about it then that made it ok.

BTW, Lincoln was considered a dictator by many in the south and the north.

 

[ihopehefails]

It's funny because when I put the first quote in google, the only thing that showed up was ihope's post on USMB. So I'm calling bullshit or want a link.

The second quote is from FDR's "Only Thing We Have to Fear is Fear Itself" speech in which he is talking about the economy. The way you have the quote is way off. I'm calling bullshit again.

The second quote in full:

"If I read the temper of our people correctly, we now realize as we have never realized before our interdependence on each other; that we can not merely take but we must give as well; that if we are to go forward, we must move as a trained and loyal army willing to sacrifice for the good of a common discipline, because without such discipline no progress is made, no leadership becomes effective. We are, I know, ready and willing to submit our lives and property to such discipline, because it makes possible a leadership which aims at a larger good. This I propose to offer, pledging that the larger purposes will bind upon us all as a sacred obligation with a unity of duty hitherto evoked only in time of armed strife."

His second quote was also referring to the economy.

And that last quote is also from his "Only Thing We Have to Fear is Fear Itself" speech.

And you butchered the third quote intentionally as well:

I am prepared under my constitutional duty to recommend the measures that a stricken nation in the midst of a stricken world may require. These measures, or such other measures as the Congress may build out of its experience and wisdom, I shall seek, within my constitutional authority, to bring to speedy adoption.

But in the event that the Congress shall fail to take one of these two courses, and in the event that the national emergency is still critical, I shall not evade the clear course of duty that will then confront me. I shall ask the Congress for the one remaining instrument to meet the crisis—broad Executive power to wage a war against the emergency, as great as the power that would be given to me if we were in fact invaded by a foreign foe.

Fucking hack, get the fuck off this board.

Someone has just been playing sheeple and following talking points instead of thinking?

You do not have the right to criticize anyone for the sin of "not thinking".

 

[Modbert]

When we don't work together then he will bind us together under a military dictatorship or it is his way or the highway. The people that lived in this country didn't get a real choice did they but since he was upfront about it then that made it ok.

BTW, Lincoln was considered a dictator by many in the south and the north.

I know he was considered a dictator by many in the South and in the North. The people in this country did get a real choice, every time they went to the voting booth. FDR as far as I know never tampered with the elections.

Since the beginning of time, in every major war from the Revolution if I recall to today, the same thing has occurred. Except maybe during Vietnam but even then that's a tossup.

However, that does not change that you took all three quotes out of major context and made them not what they were.

 

[sealybobo]

He is the guy that so many liberals want the current president to emulate.

He is exactly what Obama is emulating. And did you just hear that FDR wasn't really any more successful than Hoover was at ending the recession? It was WW2's industrialization that got us out of the recession. But FDR, like Obama, was able to make the recession more palatable to the American people. He made people feel like at least the government was trying and cared.

Do you know the rich called FDR a traitor to his own class? He was a liberal and they were the "conservatives". And you middle class right wingers don't realize YOU are traitors to your class.

Which is exactly the opposite when Bush/Hoover were in charge. Zero confidence those Robber Baron's were working in our interest.

Also, during Hoover's time, black people were Republicans. It was the Great Mississippi flood that made blacks turn into Dems. Very similar to Katrina.

What should this tell us? Don't let Republicans run the government. Bush didn't even win. He stole Ohio in 04 and Florida in 2000. So no wonder the masses couldn't stand him. But Bush had the media in his pocket and his masters were the defense contractors, oil barons and every other coporation. Only manufacturing got screwed. And their CEO's walked away with millions too. It was all to crush labor.

Hell, the GOP and rich created this recession and the Great Depression. They got richer both times. We need to wake up.

Hoover did a lot of economic intervention that made things worse but Rosevelt continued them for 12 years which kept America down when other countries were recovering. Its the same now as it was then. We had a republican president like Hoover who did many of the same things that people on the left like to do and I've heard how many liberals want Obama to be like rosevelt. Do you not read time magazine?

How can someone be a traitor to their class by not buying into a certain political idealogy that they are suppose to have. Who said middle-class had to vote democrat or subscribe to their communist thinking? Its no more "collectivist" then saying to someone that they are a traitor to their race (as in black) by voting conservative.

To the people running the GOP, it is all about money. To them, guys like John Kerry are traitors to their class. And I'm telling you what the rich said about FDR, so if you want to think that politics isn't all about MONEY, then they have won. That's exactly how the rich get some of the masses to vote with them. They use wedge issues like god gays and guns. And you may be a house slave, so you don't really care because at least you aren't a field slave.

Stop votiing over god gays and guns. If you aren't gay, ignore it. If someone doesn't believe in god, that's their choice. And neither party is taking away your gun.

And calling our way communism proves you are a retarded middle class voter who has been conned by Chaney & Bush to vote for their wars and $4 gas prices. Sucker.

Did you get a little tax break? That's nice. You gave it back on your home value, 401K, the debt & you got nothing to show for it. At least if it helped the American economy, but it didn't. Oil and Defense contractors are still making a fortune in Iraq, and you are paying for it.

Free Trade/For Profit Wars/Corporations/Capitalism/Deregulations/Wallstreet/Bankers are the fuck ups. Don't call us Commies. You know America is part socialist and part capitalism, right? To go 100% capitalism would make you a slave dummy.

If you are broke, you don't care who's gay or who's getting an abortion. Stop being a field slave.

 

[ihopehefails]

When we don't work together then he will bind us together under a military dictatorship or it is his way or the highway. The people that lived in this country didn't get a real choice did they but since he was upfront about it then that made it ok.

BTW, Lincoln was considered a dictator by many in the south and the north.

I know he was considered a dictator by many in the South and in the North. The people in this country did get a real choice, every time they went to the voting booth. FDR as far as I know never tampered with the elections.

Since the beginning of time, in every major war from the Revolution if I recall to today, the same thing has occurred. Except maybe during Vietnam but even then that's a tossup.

However, that does not change that you took all three quotes out of major context and made them not what they were.

When you put them in their full context it is still saying that he is going to ramrod his will onto the people and ignore all obsticles, including the congress or the constitution to do so.

 

[sealybobo]

What two methods was he referring to and if those didn't work such as the democratic process then what powers are associated with leaders during wartime?

Considering he used the Constitution several times, it's clear.

The second quote was about the economy. He was referring to us working together as a dedicated group (like an army), making sacrifices (like an army), and trusting our leaders (like an army) to lead us to a better tomorrow.

The third quote, he was clear about what he was asking. He would want broad executive power if it became to a level of the crisis. Lincoln got the same thing during the Civil War, our Founding Fathers had something similar if I remember during the Revolution, and Bush had the same thing after 9/11. Does it make right? Not necessarily, but he's being upfront about it.

When we don't work together then he will bind us together under a military dictatorship or it is his way or the highway. The people that lived in this country didn't get a real choice did they but since he was upfront about it then that made it ok.

BTW, Lincoln was considered a dictator by many in the south and the north.

Lincoln was dealing with a civil war.

But when we look back, I think history will say Bush was a traitor. Lincoln had to do what he did. Bush/Rumsfeld/Chaney just pushed their powers to what Lincoln had during the civil war. That's why Bush needed 9-11 to happen. He was determined to be a war time president.

And planned it before 2000, so doesn't that sort of suggest he stole the 2000 election and pre planned the whole thing with his brothers state of Florida?

And then let Bin Ladin go because he needed a boogie man.

And the corporate media helped cover all this up.

So Michael Moore will make a movie and the right wing will just blow off all his facts because he's fat.

 

[Oddball]

People blow off Michael Moore because he's a bald-faced liar.

 

[ihopehefails]

He is exactly what Obama is emulating. And did you just hear that FDR wasn't really any more successful than Hoover was at ending the recession? It was WW2's industrialization that got us out of the recession. But FDR, like Obama, was able to make the recession more palatable to the American people. He made people feel like at least the government was trying and cared.

Do you know the rich called FDR a traitor to his own class? He was a liberal and they were the "conservatives". And you middle class right wingers don't realize YOU are traitors to your class.

Which is exactly the opposite when Bush/Hoover were in charge. Zero confidence those Robber Baron's were working in our interest.

Also, during Hoover's time, black people were Republicans. It was the Great Mississippi flood that made blacks turn into Dems. Very similar to Katrina.

What should this tell us? Don't let Republicans run the government. Bush didn't even win. He stole Ohio in 04 and Florida in 2000. So no wonder the masses couldn't stand him. But Bush had the media in his pocket and his masters were the defense contractors, oil barons and every other coporation. Only manufacturing got screwed. And their CEO's walked away with millions too. It was all to crush labor.

Hell, the GOP and rich created this recession and the Great Depression. They got richer both times. We need to wake up.

Hoover did a lot of economic intervention that made things worse but Rosevelt continued them for 12 years which kept America down when other countries were recovering. Its the same now as it was then. We had a republican president like Hoover who did many of the same things that people on the left like to do and I've heard how many liberals want Obama to be like rosevelt. Do you not read time magazine?

How can someone be a traitor to their class by not buying into a certain political idealogy that they are suppose to have. Who said middle-class had to vote democrat or subscribe to their communist thinking? Its no more "collectivist" then saying to someone that they are a traitor to their race (as in black) by voting conservative.

To the people running the GOP, it is all about money. To them, guys like John Kerry are traitors to their class. And I'm telling you what the rich said about FDR, so if you want to think that politics isn't all about MONEY, then they have won. That's exactly how the rich get some of the masses to vote with them. They use wedge issues like god gays and guns. And you may be a house slave, so you don't really care because at least you aren't a field slave.

Stop votiing over god gays and guns. If you aren't gay, ignore it. If someone doesn't believe in god, that's their choice. And neither party is taking away your gun.

And calling our way communism proves you are a retarded middle class voter who has been conned by Chaney & Bush to vote for their wars and $4 gas prices. Sucker.

Did you get a little tax break? That's nice. You gave it back on your home value, 401K, the debt & you got nothing to show for it. At least if it helped the American economy, but it didn't. Oil and Defense contractors are still making a fortune in Iraq, and you are paying for it.

Free Trade/For Profit Wars/Corporations/Capitalism/Deregulations/Wallstreet/Bankers are the fuck ups. Don't call us Commies. You know America is part socialist and part capitalism, right? To go 100% capitalism would make you a slave dummy.

If you are broke, you don't care who's gay or who's getting an abortion. Stop being a field slave.

First you call me a retard for saying that you are a communist but then point out we are part capitalist and communist. What part of the political spectrum is communist and what part is for free-trade?

I'm pretty sure I am not a field slave and neither is anyone else. A slave denotes ownership of someone else labor or their right to labor for whatever purpose they want. I may work for others but I'm executing my right to labor for the cause of enriching myself for my own purpose in the form of a paycheck.

 

[sealybobo]

He is the guy that so many liberals want the current president to emulate.

He is exactly what Obama is emulating. And did you just hear that FDR wasn't really any more successful than Hoover was at ending the recession? It was WW2's industrialization that got us out of the recession. But FDR, like Obama, was able to make the recession more palatable to the American people. He made people feel like at least the government was trying and cared.

Do you know the rich called FDR a traitor to his own class? He was a liberal and they were the "conservatives". And you middle class right wingers don't realize YOU are traitors to your class.

Which is exactly the opposite when Bush/Hoover were in charge. Zero confidence those Robber Baron's were working in our interest.

Also, during Hoover's time, black people were Republicans. It was the Great Mississippi flood that made blacks turn into Dems. Very similar to Katrina.

What should this tell us? Don't let Republicans run the government. Bush didn't even win. He stole Ohio in 04 and Florida in 2000. So no wonder the masses couldn't stand him. But Bush had the media in his pocket and his masters were the defense contractors, oil barons and every other coporation. Only manufacturing got screwed. And their CEO's walked away with millions too. It was all to crush labor.

Hell, the GOP and rich created this recession and the Great Depression. They got richer both times. We need to wake up.

Hoover did a lot of economic intervention that made things worse but Rosevelt continued them for 12 years which kept America down when other countries were recovering. Its the same now as it was then. We had a republican president like Hoover who did many of the same things that people on the left like to do and I've heard how many liberals want Obama to be like rosevelt. Do you not read time magazine?

How can someone be a traitor to their class by not buying into a certain political idealogy that they are suppose to have. Who said middle-class had to vote democrat or subscribe to their communist thinking? Its no more "collectivist" then saying to someone that they are a traitor to their race (as in black) by voting conservative.

Again, very anti-individualistic when you assume a large portion of a society who happens to share a common trait such as being middle-class or black have to share all other traits with each other such as assuming they are suppose to be the same politically.

Tell me

a. Your profession
b. When did you buy your home?
c. How has your 401k done the last 10 years?
d. Do you even own a home or have a 401k?

I'll help you figure out how much your obsession with wedge issues like God/Gays and Guns are costing you.

Would you pay $10 a gallon to ban gay marriage? Because the GOP let the oil companies fuck with oil prices the last 8 years.

Or if the GOP put us into the second great depression and you lose your job because of it. Please tell me what wedge issue is so important to you that you would vote for the rich party when you aren't rich?

Brainwashed.

 

[Oddball]

First you call me a retard for saying that you are a communist but then point out we are part capitalist and communist. What part of the political spectrum is communist and what part is for free-trade?

I'm pretty sure I am not a field slave and neither is anyone else. A slave denotes ownership of someone else labor or their right to labor for whatever purpose they want. I may work for others but I'm executing my right to labor for the cause of enriching myself for my own purpose in the form of a paycheck.

Sillyboob is our resident incoherent babbling whackjob.....You'll get used to it.

 

[sealybobo]

Hoover did a lot of economic intervention that made things worse but Rosevelt continued them for 12 years which kept America down when other countries were recovering. Its the same now as it was then. We had a republican president like Hoover who did many of the same things that people on the left like to do and I've heard how many liberals want Obama to be like rosevelt. Do you not read time magazine?

How can someone be a traitor to their class by not buying into a certain political idealogy that they are suppose to have. Who said middle-class had to vote democrat or subscribe to their communist thinking? Its no more "collectivist" then saying to someone that they are a traitor to their race (as in black) by voting conservative.

To the people running the GOP, it is all about money. To them, guys like John Kerry are traitors to their class. And I'm telling you what the rich said about FDR, so if you want to think that politics isn't all about MONEY, then they have won. That's exactly how the rich get some of the masses to vote with them. They use wedge issues like god gays and guns. And you may be a house slave, so you don't really care because at least you aren't a field slave.

Stop votiing over god gays and guns. If you aren't gay, ignore it. If someone doesn't believe in god, that's their choice. And neither party is taking away your gun.

And calling our way communism proves you are a retarded middle class voter who has been conned by Chaney & Bush to vote for their wars and $4 gas prices. Sucker.

Did you get a little tax break? That's nice. You gave it back on your home value, 401K, the debt & you got nothing to show for it. At least if it helped the American economy, but it didn't. Oil and Defense contractors are still making a fortune in Iraq, and you are paying for it.

Free Trade/For Profit Wars/Corporations/Capitalism/Deregulations/Wallstreet/Bankers are the fuck ups. Don't call us Commies. You know America is part socialist and part capitalism, right? To go 100% capitalism would make you a slave dummy.

If you are broke, you don't care who's gay or who's getting an abortion. Stop being a field slave.

First you call me a retard for saying that you are a communist but then point out we are part capitalist and communist. What part of the political spectrum is communist and what part is for free-trade?

I'm pretty sure I am not a field slave and neither is anyone else. A slave denotes ownership of someone else labor or their right to labor for whatever purpose they want. I may work for others but I'm executing my right to labor for the cause of enriching myself for my own purpose in the form of a paycheck.

When Bush owned the Texas Rangers and got the tax payers too foot the bill. Is that capitalism douch bag? When the oil companies give Alaskans money every year. Is that capitalism? When the government sobsodizes no bid war for profits in Iraq, is that capitalism? Don't be a schmuck. Either tell me how you benefit from GOPanomics or admit you are a house slave.

Are you working longer hours for less pay? More and more Americans are saying yes.

Example. Back in the day one man could provide the same as couples provide today. So we are working more and getting less. Fact. We had maybe millions of men and women manufacturing here in the USA. Those jobs are all gone now. So the flood of unemployed has lowered wages. Hasn't hurt you? I don't believe it. Because it has hurt you several different wages. And maybe you make the same as you did 3 years ago, but maybe if it weren't for GOPanomics, you would have got a raise. If you aren't a CEO or VP, you are a fool voting GOP.

I said you are a house slave, not field slave. And I don't mean an actual one. Figuratively speaking you are. And just because you don't realize it, doesn't make it untrue. You just don't get the analogy. Its going over your head. Just move on.

And I said socialism. You put the most harsh word on my politics. COMMUNISM! Nice job, tea bagger. Nazi! Fascist!! The word Conservative, just like you guys turned liberal, is now a dirty word. People think of Bush when you say conseravtive. LOL.

 

[sealybobo]

First you call me a retard for saying that you are a communist but then point out we are part capitalist and communist. What part of the political spectrum is communist and what part is for free-trade?

I'm pretty sure I am not a field slave and neither is anyone else. A slave denotes ownership of someone else labor or their right to labor for whatever purpose they want. I may work for others but I'm executing my right to labor for the cause of enriching myself for my own purpose in the form of a paycheck.

Sillyboob is our resident incoherent babbling whackjob.....You'll get used to it.

Well I answered his questions.

I notice you never reply back telling me why I'm wrong. Why? Can't?

You don't get my analogy either. You hate to think that the rich control/run this country. You've been brainwashed that the government is the problem when in fact the problem is that corporations have gotten too powerful.

You can't fuck with the corporations because they hire people. THis is the angle the rich use to control their house slaves.

 

[Oddball]

What you did was give a few of your patented hallucinatory stream-of-consciousness tirades.

 

[ihopehefails]

He is exactly what Obama is emulating. And did you just hear that FDR wasn't really any more successful than Hoover was at ending the recession? It was WW2's industrialization that got us out of the recession. But FDR, like Obama, was able to make the recession more palatable to the American people. He made people feel like at least the government was trying and cared.

Do you know the rich called FDR a traitor to his own class? He was a liberal and they were the "conservatives". And you middle class right wingers don't realize YOU are traitors to your class.

Which is exactly the opposite when Bush/Hoover were in charge. Zero confidence those Robber Baron's were working in our interest.

Also, during Hoover's time, black people were Republicans. It was the Great Mississippi flood that made blacks turn into Dems. Very similar to Katrina.

What should this tell us? Don't let Republicans run the government. Bush didn't even win. He stole Ohio in 04 and Florida in 2000. So no wonder the masses couldn't stand him. But Bush had the media in his pocket and his masters were the defense contractors, oil barons and every other coporation. Only manufacturing got screwed. And their CEO's walked away with millions too. It was all to crush labor.

Hell, the GOP and rich created this recession and the Great Depression. They got richer both times. We need to wake up.

Hoover did a lot of economic intervention that made things worse but Rosevelt continued them for 12 years which kept America down when other countries were recovering. Its the same now as it was then. We had a republican president like Hoover who did many of the same things that people on the left like to do and I've heard how many liberals want Obama to be like rosevelt. Do you not read time magazine?

How can someone be a traitor to their class by not buying into a certain political idealogy that they are suppose to have. Who said middle-class had to vote democrat or subscribe to their communist thinking? Its no more "collectivist" then saying to someone that they are a traitor to their race (as in black) by voting conservative.

Again, very anti-individualistic when you assume a large portion of a society who happens to share a common trait such as being middle-class or black have to share all other traits with each other such as assuming they are suppose to be the same politically.

Tell me

a. Your profession
b. When did you buy your home?
c. How has your 401k done the last 10 years?
d. Do you even own a home or have a 401k?

I'll help you figure out how much your obsession with wedge issues like God/Gays and Guns are costing you.

Would you pay $10 a gallon to ban gay marriage? Because the GOP let the oil companies fuck with oil prices the last 8 years.

Or if the GOP put us into the second great depression and you lose your job because of it. Please tell me what wedge issue is so important to you that you would vote for the rich party when you aren't rich?

Brainwashed.

Money is not as important as morality since it is not everything in life. I know in your mind that you find this incompatible with conservative philosophy but what most conservatives believe in is that someone should retain the right to your property as you see fit and to follow your own conscience as you see fit (or at least they should) over your own self and property.

Abortion might be considered deeply immoral but that is not enough to ban it but since many people have this pesky religious idea that human life is just as valuable at conception as it is after it exits the womb then any fetus deserves the same legal protections than any post-exited baby would get.

That is the real question about abortion. At what point does a human life deserve legal protection. The deeply religious believes it starts at conception while the not so religious might not have those concepts ingrained in their head.

 

[sealybobo]

Hoover did a lot of economic intervention that made things worse but Rosevelt continued them for 12 years which kept America down when other countries were recovering. Its the same now as it was then. We had a republican president like Hoover who did many of the same things that people on the left like to do and I've heard how many liberals want Obama to be like rosevelt. Do you not read time magazine?

How can someone be a traitor to their class by not buying into a certain political idealogy that they are suppose to have. Who said middle-class had to vote democrat or subscribe to their communist thinking? Its no more "collectivist" then saying to someone that they are a traitor to their race (as in black) by voting conservative.

To the people running the GOP, it is all about money. To them, guys like John Kerry are traitors to their class. And I'm telling you what the rich said about FDR, so if you want to think that politics isn't all about MONEY, then they have won. That's exactly how the rich get some of the masses to vote with them. They use wedge issues like god gays and guns. And you may be a house slave, so you don't really care because at least you aren't a field slave.

Stop votiing over god gays and guns. If you aren't gay, ignore it. If someone doesn't believe in god, that's their choice. And neither party is taking away your gun.

And calling our way communism proves you are a retarded middle class voter who has been conned by Chaney & Bush to vote for their wars and $4 gas prices. Sucker.

Did you get a little tax break? That's nice. You gave it back on your home value, 401K, the debt & you got nothing to show for it. At least if it helped the American economy, but it didn't. Oil and Defense contractors are still making a fortune in Iraq, and you are paying for it.

Free Trade/For Profit Wars/Corporations/Capitalism/Deregulations/Wallstreet/Bankers are the fuck ups. Don't call us Commies. You know America is part socialist and part capitalism, right? To go 100% capitalism would make you a slave dummy.

If you are broke, you don't care who's gay or who's getting an abortion. Stop being a field slave.

First you call me a retard for saying that you are a communist but then point out we are part capitalist and communist. What part of the political spectrum is communist and what part is for free-trade?

I'm pretty sure I am not a field slave and neither is anyone else. A slave denotes ownership of someone else labor or their right to labor for whatever purpose they want. I may work for others but I'm executing my right to labor for the cause of enriching myself for my own purpose in the form of a paycheck.

Just ask the CEO of your company what he think about you. He thinks you cost too much.

Or don't you understand labor costs.

And I really want you to respond to Bush using tax payers $ to build a stadium. Why? Capitalism says if private companies won't put up the money to build it, then it shouldn't be built.

So you little worker bees can stop swallowing what the rich wing tells you. Time to wake up.

Stop arguing for CEO's golden parachuttes at the expense of your wages and benefits.

 

[ihopehefails]

First you call me a retard for saying that you are a communist but then point out we are part capitalist and communist. What part of the political spectrum is communist and what part is for free-trade?

I'm pretty sure I am not a field slave and neither is anyone else. A slave denotes ownership of someone else labor or their right to labor for whatever purpose they want. I may work for others but I'm executing my right to labor for the cause of enriching myself for my own purpose in the form of a paycheck.

Sillyboob is our resident incoherent babbling whackjob.....You'll get used to it.

Well I answered his questions.

I notice you never reply back telling me why I'm wrong. Why? Can't?

You don't get my analogy either. You hate to think that the rich control/run this country. You've been brainwashed that the government is the problem when in fact the problem is that corporations have gotten too powerful.

You can't fuck with the corporations because they hire people. THis is the angle the rich use to control their house slaves.

This is one of the biggest bits of misdirection in the history of the world. Most statist know that most American people hate government control so to misdirect this anger they have turned corporations into a defacto government status which is why you assume that the rich control this country because you can direct that anti-government feeling to an entity that most communist don't like aka corporations.

Now I could be wrong and you could be right that corporations control people but if this is so then provide an example of some kind of control that any corporation has that rival the control that government has. Do corps restrict your right to abortions? NO Do they restrict your right to worship God? No Do they restrict your behavior in any way that government does in these former examples? Again the answer is NO!

Now corps can buy influence in the government which is not a problem of corps getting to big but a problem of corruption which should be eliminated. Once elminated corps will lose their influence in government and will not affect your life other than selling you McDonalds's combo meal #1.

 

[sealybobo]

Hoover did a lot of economic intervention that made things worse but Rosevelt continued them for 12 years which kept America down when other countries were recovering. Its the same now as it was then. We had a republican president like Hoover who did many of the same things that people on the left like to do and I've heard how many liberals want Obama to be like rosevelt. Do you not read time magazine?

How can someone be a traitor to their class by not buying into a certain political idealogy that they are suppose to have. Who said middle-class had to vote democrat or subscribe to their communist thinking? Its no more "collectivist" then saying to someone that they are a traitor to their race (as in black) by voting conservative.

Again, very anti-individualistic when you assume a large portion of a society who happens to share a common trait such as being middle-class or black have to share all other traits with each other such as assuming they are suppose to be the same politically.

Tell me

a. Your profession
b. When did you buy your home?
c. How has your 401k done the last 10 years?
d. Do you even own a home or have a 401k?

I'll help you figure out how much your obsession with wedge issues like God/Gays and Guns are costing you.

Would you pay $10 a gallon to ban gay marriage? Because the GOP let the oil companies fuck with oil prices the last 8 years.

Or if the GOP put us into the second great depression and you lose your job because of it. Please tell me what wedge issue is so important to you that you would vote for the rich party when you aren't rich?

Brainwashed.

Money is not as important as morality since it is not everything in life. I know in your mind that you find this incompatible with conservative philosophy but what most conservatives believe in is that someone should retain the right to your property as you see fit and to follow your own conscience as you see fit (or at least they should) over your own self and property.

Abortion might be considered deeply immoral but that is not enough to ban it but since many people have this pesky religious idea that human life is just as valuable at conception as it is after it exits the womb then any fetus deserves the same legal protections than any post-exited baby would get.

That is the real question about abortion. At what point does a human life deserve legal protection. The deeply religious believes it starts at conception while the not so religious might not have those concepts ingrained in their head.

Who cares? Are you getting an abortion tomorrow? Then what do you give a fuck? We are already overpopulated.

Trust me, its all about $. The most important issues in Washington are about $.

If a pro lifer loses their $100K a year job and can't find a job for better than $50, all of the sudden abortion becomes a lot less important. Only comforable arrogant and ignorant middle class voters vote GOP.

And I didn't see my liberties improve under the GOP. Not even the part about retaining your right to property. I think the GOP made more people lose their property. Even rich people foreclosed on their second and third homes.

The GOP was all about privatizing all profits and socializing all the losses. And they fooled you by telling you socialism was the enemy and meanwhile unregulated capitalism fucked us all.

That's funny, because I see the GOP toss aside their moral values everytime there is money to be made. I think they are just telling you what you want to hear.

Have you ever read a bullshit mission statement from a corporation? You just told me the GOP's mission statement.

The big old bad immoral godless liberals are not looking to get your daughter to get an abortion.

But the GOP is looking to lower her wages.

 

[Oddball]

This is one of the biggest bits of misdirection in the history of the world. Most statist know that most American people hate government control so to misdirect this anger they have turned corporations into a defacto government status which is why you assume that the rich control this country because you can direct that anti-government feeling to an entity that most communist don't like aka corporations....

Oh, sillyboob excels at misdirection. He's so good at it that he can't keep track of what he himself is talking about.