FDR and Pearl Harbor

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    By now you are all aware that FDR had genuine Soviet spies in high offices and as key advisers. Part of their mission was to turn the USA and Japan on a collision course toward war.

    The last time the Japanese and the Russian crossed swords in 1905, the Japanese mopped the floor up with the Rooskies ((Russo-Japanese War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) because you Progressives never believe anything happened unless its in Wiki) and the Soviet spies advising FDR got him to start a real life shooting war with Russia's natural and deadly enemy, the Japanese. I give the Soviets an enormous amount of credit for their geo-political victory here, it cannot be underestimated and should be applauded. They played FDR for a total patsy.

    By now you also know that FDR provoked and goaded and all but invited the Japanese to attack us and in fact, since we had cracked the Japanese codes, we were well aware the invasion fleet was inbound to Pearl Harbor on Dec 7.

    On Nov 27, 1941 George Marshall ordered a "War warning" and directed the base at Pearl to "undertake reconnaissance" a sensible precaution. However, suddenly, on December 6 Gen Short ordered the fighter to "Stand down" gave pilots THAT VERY Weekend off, ordered the mobile AA guns BACK TO BARRACKS, dispersed the aircraft from the protective bunkers and stacked them up on the runway (the only thing he didn't do was spray them with lighter fluid and leave matches nearby) insuring maximum damage would be inflicted on the ships at Pearl, but not the carriers, which were also sent out on patrol far away from the inbound Japanese strike force.

    Clearly, Gen Short must have gotten an order, maybe from FDR personally, to leave Pearl Harbor vulnerable and insure maximum damage to the fleet (but not the carriers) at Pearl.
     
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    Kimmel and Lieutenant General Short through their posthumous advancement on the retired
    lists to their highest wartime grades. Admiral Arleigh Burke, USN (Ret.), former Chief of
    Naval Operations, sent a letter to the secretary of Defense in July 1991 recommending the
    posthumous promotion. In October 1991, 36 prominent Navy Admirals signed a letter to
    President Bush urging him to nominate Kimmel and Short to the U.S. Senate for
    posthumous promotion.

    http://www.pearlharbor911attacks.com/old/docs/RESOLUTION_66_USNA.pdf

    I think before you implicate Gen. Short or Adm. Kimmel in any sort of Conspiracy, you may want to read this. Yes, it's true that both Gen. Short and Adm. Kimmel had they been better prepared and averted some of their decisions then the disaster at Pearl Harbor could have been mitigated some, although the burden of those decisions should have not been their alone to bear. If FDR had been in come sort of conspiracy with both Adm. Kimmel or Gen. Short then he would never have reduced them in grade or called for a congressional investigation.
     
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    Did LBJ really say that? re quote on Thurgood Marshall in bold type
     
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    I watched a documentary on the Military Channel about Pearl Harbor a few weeks ago.

    Part of it dealt with the American military insiders being incredulous of the reports from General Chennault, commander of the AVG "Flying Tigers", as to the performance characteristics -or even existence- of the A6M Zero.

    This was well in advance of 7 Dec '41.

    Draw your own conclusions.
     
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    He absolutely said it.

    He called the Civil Rights Bill, the "****** Bill" and when he was President he told he fellow Democrats not to worry about passing Ike's Civil Rights Bill as his own because he'd "have them ******* voting Democrat for the next 200 years"
     
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    They were prepared! That's the whole point! They were prepared until the orders came in on Dec 6th

    They were prepared and would have thwarted the attack and had the carriers been sent on patrol TOWARD the invading fleet instead of AWAY from it the Arizona and three other battleships would never have been sunk. FDR, on advise of genuine Communist spies, wanted to present the American people a gory, devastating scene to get us to war with the Russians natural enemy, the Japanese
     
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    Thats what I thought.
     
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    I think the Interent is the problem a lot of folks have with believing that we were surprised.

    When you're not on a war footing, you never think you're going to be attacked. Especially by Japan.

    We live in a society where you can know what is on television (if you want to that is) in Sydney. In 1941, you didn't have any such access to information. Having such cultural differences didn't lend itself to intel gathering either.

    All in all, the stories are interesting but I don't think there was any conspiracy. It was just one of those dang deals. Those with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight shouldn't judge the men on the ground too harshly.
     
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    someone farted in here.:poop::9:

    precisely at 1:36pm today.
     
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    This conspiracy theory is right up there with "Bush knew 9/11 was going to happen, and let it happen so we could steal the Arabs oil."

    Outstanding.

    :thup:
     

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