FDR Admiration Society

Hey Campie, did those relatives admire Stalin or not?
The ones who flooded into our homes as escapee immigrants from Hungary in 1956 hated him along with everyone else who came before and after that period.
"There is no way you know more about Stalin than I do."

Got him!

Cramp is so blinded by his pro-Roosevelt biases that he walks into the punch in every thread where he tries to either deny the association with Stalin, or to shield Roosevelt.

It's the proverbial shootin' fish in the barrel.


Now....can I get into the immigrant creds thing?

My whole family is in that category.
(Unfortunately, not all of us are on the Right side of the argument....Thanksgiving Dinner is 'bring your own shotgun.')
Does your shoulder ever get sore from patting yourself on the back over delusional ideas that scatter around that skull of yours?



"... delusional ideas...."

Can you name any?

You do a good job on your own. The one about FDR being a puppet and flunky for Stalin is the best. FDR manipulated Stalin into spending 20 million Russians to defeat the Nazi's while the US spent only a small fraction percentage wise of that amount. Yet you seem convinced that Stalin was the one doing the manipulating.

Can you imagine a "puppet" losing 200,000 lives while the "puppet master loses 20 million?
But wait...it gets better
The "puppet" ends up with half of Europe in return. The most modern and developed half



The fact is, that by allowing Stalin to set the perimeters...'unconditional surrender,' rather than surrender.....Roosevelt added 200,000 dead and wounded to the American toll.

Wadda guy, huh?
Frau Braun

Haven't we been over this unconditional surrender screed before?
Under what conditions do you believe Hitler would accept surrender?

And don't you believe the term is "parameters" not "perimeters"?
 
Hey Campie, did those relatives admire Stalin or not?
The ones who flooded into our homes as escapee immigrants from Hungary in 1956 hated him along with everyone else who came before and after that period.
"There is no way you know more about Stalin than I do."

Got him!

Cramp is so blinded by his pro-Roosevelt biases that he walks into the punch in every thread where he tries to either deny the association with Stalin, or to shield Roosevelt.

It's the proverbial shootin' fish in the barrel.


Now....can I get into the immigrant creds thing?

My whole family is in that category.
(Unfortunately, not all of us are on the Right side of the argument....Thanksgiving Dinner is 'bring your own shotgun.')
Does your shoulder ever get sore from patting yourself on the back over delusional ideas that scatter around that skull of yours?



"... delusional ideas...."

Can you name any?

You do a good job on your own. The one about FDR being a puppet and flunky for Stalin is the best. FDR manipulated Stalin into spending 20 million Russians to defeat the Nazi's while the US spent only a small fraction percentage wise of that amount. Yet you seem convinced that Stalin was the one doing the manipulating.

Can you imagine a "puppet" losing 200,000 lives while the "puppet master loses 20 million?
But wait...it gets better
The "puppet" ends up with half of Europe in return. The most modern and developed half



The fact is, that by allowing Stalin to set the perimeters...'unconditional surrender,' rather than surrender.....Roosevelt added 200,000 dead and wounded to the American toll.

Wadda guy, huh?
No, he didn't, and Nazi surrender without total annihilation is another of your delusional ideas.
 
The ones who flooded into our homes as escapee immigrants from Hungary in 1956 hated him along with everyone else who came before and after that period.
Does your shoulder ever get sore from patting yourself on the back over delusional ideas that scatter around that skull of yours?



"... delusional ideas...."

Can you name any?

You do a good job on your own. The one about FDR being a puppet and flunky for Stalin is the best. FDR manipulated Stalin into spending 20 million Russians to defeat the Nazi's while the US spent only a small fraction percentage wise of that amount. Yet you seem convinced that Stalin was the one doing the manipulating.

Can you imagine a "puppet" losing 200,000 lives while the "puppet master loses 20 million?
But wait...it gets better
The "puppet" ends up with half of Europe in return. The most modern and developed half



The fact is, that by allowing Stalin to set the perimeters...'unconditional surrender,' rather than surrender.....Roosevelt added 200,000 dead and wounded to the American toll.

Wadda guy, huh?
Frau Braun

Haven't we been over this unconditional surrender screed before?
Under what conditions do you believe Hitler would accept surrender?

"Under what conditions do you believe Hitler would accept surrender?"
You know, liar, that I never said Hitler would have surrendered.
Why do you continue to advanced the fib?
Oh....right....to shield Roosevelt.

Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, head of the Abwehr would have.

"Admiral Wilhelm Canaris. The head of the German Secret Service told Earle there were many sensible German people feeling that Hitler was leading their nation down a destructive path. Admiral Canaris continued that an honorable surrender from the German army to the American forces could be arranged."
Wilhelm Canaris | Jewish Virtual Library


 
The ones who flooded into our homes as escapee immigrants from Hungary in 1956 hated him along with everyone else who came before and after that period.
Does your shoulder ever get sore from patting yourself on the back over delusional ideas that scatter around that skull of yours?



"... delusional ideas...."

Can you name any?

You do a good job on your own. The one about FDR being a puppet and flunky for Stalin is the best. FDR manipulated Stalin into spending 20 million Russians to defeat the Nazi's while the US spent only a small fraction percentage wise of that amount. Yet you seem convinced that Stalin was the one doing the manipulating.

Can you imagine a "puppet" losing 200,000 lives while the "puppet master loses 20 million?
But wait...it gets better
The "puppet" ends up with half of Europe in return. The most modern and developed half



The fact is, that by allowing Stalin to set the perimeters...'unconditional surrender,' rather than surrender.....Roosevelt added 200,000 dead and wounded to the American toll.

Wadda guy, huh?
No, he didn't, and Nazi surrender without total annihilation is another of your delusional ideas.



Post #403, you fool.
 
"... delusional ideas...."

Can you name any?

You do a good job on your own. The one about FDR being a puppet and flunky for Stalin is the best. FDR manipulated Stalin into spending 20 million Russians to defeat the Nazi's while the US spent only a small fraction percentage wise of that amount. Yet you seem convinced that Stalin was the one doing the manipulating.

Can you imagine a "puppet" losing 200,000 lives while the "puppet master loses 20 million?
But wait...it gets better
The "puppet" ends up with half of Europe in return. The most modern and developed half



The fact is, that by allowing Stalin to set the perimeters...'unconditional surrender,' rather than surrender.....Roosevelt added 200,000 dead and wounded to the American toll.

Wadda guy, huh?
Frau Braun

Haven't we been over this unconditional surrender screed before?
Under what conditions do you believe Hitler would accept surrender?

"Under what conditions do you believe Hitler would accept surrender?"
You know, liar, that I never said Hitler would have surrendered.
Why do you continue to advanced the fib?
Oh....right....to shield Roosevelt.

Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, head of the Abwehr would have.

"Admiral Wilhelm Canaris. The head of the German Secret Service told Earle there were many sensible German people feeling that Hitler was leading their nation down a destructive path. Admiral Canaris continued that an honorable surrender from the German army to the American forces could be arranged."
Wilhelm Canaris | Jewish Virtual Library




Hitler would have Canaris strung up by his testicles if he attempted to negotiate on behalf of Germany
 
You do a good job on your own. The one about FDR being a puppet and flunky for Stalin is the best. FDR manipulated Stalin into spending 20 million Russians to defeat the Nazi's while the US spent only a small fraction percentage wise of that amount. Yet you seem convinced that Stalin was the one doing the manipulating.

Can you imagine a "puppet" losing 200,000 lives while the "puppet master loses 20 million?
But wait...it gets better
The "puppet" ends up with half of Europe in return. The most modern and developed half



The fact is, that by allowing Stalin to set the perimeters...'unconditional surrender,' rather than surrender.....Roosevelt added 200,000 dead and wounded to the American toll.

Wadda guy, huh?
Frau Braun

Haven't we been over this unconditional surrender screed before?
Under what conditions do you believe Hitler would accept surrender?

"Under what conditions do you believe Hitler would accept surrender?"
You know, liar, that I never said Hitler would have surrendered.
Why do you continue to advanced the fib?
Oh....right....to shield Roosevelt.

Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, head of the Abwehr would have.

"Admiral Wilhelm Canaris. The head of the German Secret Service told Earle there were many sensible German people feeling that Hitler was leading their nation down a destructive path. Admiral Canaris continued that an honorable surrender from the German army to the American forces could be arranged."
Wilhelm Canaris | Jewish Virtual Library




Hitler would have Canaris strung up by his testicles if he attempted to negotiate on behalf of Germany


Actually....Hitler had Canaris hung twice.
Because Roosevelt wouldn't aid the resistance.....he was bespoken for by Stalin.
Good to see I've reduced you to basing your views on the Magic 8-Ball....no facts, no education....simply blind obedience to Roosevelt.



Need the names of a dozen of so other anti-Nazi, anti-communist Germans in the resistance with whom Roosevelt wouldn't allow the Allies to provide support????

"In a certain sense there was not a single year between 1933 and 1945 during which there was not some contact or attempt at contact, between the anti-Hitler opposition and either Britain or the Unites States, or both." The Greatest War Crime

Wilhelm Canaris

Franz von Papen

Colonel General Ludwig Beck Beginning in early 1937,"the first 'cell' of the Resistance Movement" was formed by Ludwig Beck, Army Chief of staff, and Carl Goerdeler, who had just resigned as Mayor of Leipzig as a gesture in defiance of Nazi anti-Semitism (Ritter,Goerdeler's Struggle, pp. 35-3G, 75-79). As financial adviser to the Robert Bosch firm of Stuttgart, Goerdeler was sent abroad by his employer "on business" between early 1937 and late 1939 to the U.S., Britain, Switzerland, Palestine and a dozen other countries, making contact with persons interested in the overthrow of Hitler's regime (Ibid, pp. 47, 81, 83, 305, 484; and Hoffmann,German Resistance, p. 153). The Greatest War Crime


Carl Friedrich Goerderler

Ulrich von Hassell

Johannes Popitz

Kurt von Hammerstein

Job Wilhelm Georg Erdmann Erwin von Witzleben(4 December 1881 – 8 August 1944) was aGermanofficer, by 1940 in the rank of aField Marshal(Generalfeldmarschall), and army commander in theSecond World War. A leading conspirator in the20 July plot,[1]he was designated to become Commander-in-Chief of theWehrmachtarmed forces in a post-Nazi regimehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_von_Witzleben


There were lots more....




Smashed you in the kisser with a custard pie, huh?
 
"... delusional ideas...."

Can you name any?

You do a good job on your own. The one about FDR being a puppet and flunky for Stalin is the best. FDR manipulated Stalin into spending 20 million Russians to defeat the Nazi's while the US spent only a small fraction percentage wise of that amount. Yet you seem convinced that Stalin was the one doing the manipulating.

Can you imagine a "puppet" losing 200,000 lives while the "puppet master loses 20 million?
But wait...it gets better
The "puppet" ends up with half of Europe in return. The most modern and developed half



The fact is, that by allowing Stalin to set the perimeters...'unconditional surrender,' rather than surrender.....Roosevelt added 200,000 dead and wounded to the American toll.

Wadda guy, huh?
No, he didn't, and Nazi surrender without total annihilation is another of your delusional ideas.



Post #403, you fool.
Canaris was arrested a month after D-Day, chained, tortured and finally forced to strip naked before he was hung, twice by cheering and laughing crowd of SS troops. He was revived after the first hanging so he would know what was coming the second hanging a few minutes after the first one.
Canaris never had the ability or authority to surrender. Like I said, your ideas are delusional. Do you need a link to the execution of Canaris?
 
You do a good job on your own. The one about FDR being a puppet and flunky for Stalin is the best. FDR manipulated Stalin into spending 20 million Russians to defeat the Nazi's while the US spent only a small fraction percentage wise of that amount. Yet you seem convinced that Stalin was the one doing the manipulating.

Can you imagine a "puppet" losing 200,000 lives while the "puppet master loses 20 million?
But wait...it gets better
The "puppet" ends up with half of Europe in return. The most modern and developed half



The fact is, that by allowing Stalin to set the perimeters...'unconditional surrender,' rather than surrender.....Roosevelt added 200,000 dead and wounded to the American toll.

Wadda guy, huh?
No, he didn't, and Nazi surrender without total annihilation is another of your delusional ideas.



Post #403, you fool.
Canaris was arrested a month after D-Day, chained, tortured and finally forced to strip naked before he was hung, twice by cheering and laughing crowd of SS troops. He was revived after the first hanging so he would know what was coming the second hanging a few minutes after the first one.
Canaris never had the ability or authority to surrender. Like I said, your ideas are delusional. Do you need a link to the execution of Canaris?


1. "Canaris never had the ability or authority to surrender."
Because of Roosevelt.

2. Many Allied leaders agreed with General Wedemeyer, that Roosevelt's 'unconditional surrender' announcement unified and stiffened Germany's resolve not to surrender, ....they knew that it would prolong the war. Included with Wedermeyer were Winston Churchill, Brit foreign minister Anthony Eden, Secretary of State Cordell Hull, Ambassador to Moscow Averell Harriman, and others.
"The Memoirs of Cordell Hull in two volumes," 1570, 1575


3. Now.... casualties....

To get an idea of the cost of the extended war...."....over one hundred thirty-five thousand American GIs died –a startling figure today – between D day[june 6, 1944] and V-E day,[May 8, 1945]...."
So did the Red Army really singlehandedly defeat the Third Reich Stuff I Done Wrote - The Michael A. Charles Online Presence

Get that?

135,000 brave American boys whose lives were offered up as a gift to Stalin....to make certain that communism survived.


Based on the ration of deaths to wounded, that would suggest almostan additional 200,000 wounded, just between Normandy and Germany's surrender.

Totally attributed to 'unconditional surrender.'


Thank FDR for those 200,000 dead and wounded.
 
You do a good job on your own. The one about FDR being a puppet and flunky for Stalin is the best. FDR manipulated Stalin into spending 20 million Russians to defeat the Nazi's while the US spent only a small fraction percentage wise of that amount. Yet you seem convinced that Stalin was the one doing the manipulating.

Can you imagine a "puppet" losing 200,000 lives while the "puppet master loses 20 million?
But wait...it gets better
The "puppet" ends up with half of Europe in return. The most modern and developed half



The fact is, that by allowing Stalin to set the perimeters...'unconditional surrender,' rather than surrender.....Roosevelt added 200,000 dead and wounded to the American toll.

Wadda guy, huh?
Frau Braun

Haven't we been over this unconditional surrender screed before?
Under what conditions do you believe Hitler would accept surrender?

"Under what conditions do you believe Hitler would accept surrender?"
You know, liar, that I never said Hitler would have surrendered.
Why do you continue to advanced the fib?
Oh....right....to shield Roosevelt.

Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, head of the Abwehr would have.

"Admiral Wilhelm Canaris. The head of the German Secret Service told Earle there were many sensible German people feeling that Hitler was leading their nation down a destructive path. Admiral Canaris continued that an honorable surrender from the German army to the American forces could be arranged."
Wilhelm Canaris | Jewish Virtual Library




Hitler would have Canaris strung up by his testicles if he attempted to negotiate on behalf of Germany

Here you go, here is one account of what happened to PolitcalChic's peacemaker.

auschwitz.dk/Canaris/id16.htm
 
Can you imagine a "puppet" losing 200,000 lives while the "puppet master loses 20 million?
But wait...it gets better
The "puppet" ends up with half of Europe in return. The most modern and developed half



The fact is, that by allowing Stalin to set the perimeters...'unconditional surrender,' rather than surrender.....Roosevelt added 200,000 dead and wounded to the American toll.

Wadda guy, huh?
Frau Braun

Haven't we been over this unconditional surrender screed before?
Under what conditions do you believe Hitler would accept surrender?

"Under what conditions do you believe Hitler would accept surrender?"
You know, liar, that I never said Hitler would have surrendered.
Why do you continue to advanced the fib?
Oh....right....to shield Roosevelt.

Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, head of the Abwehr would have.

"Admiral Wilhelm Canaris. The head of the German Secret Service told Earle there were many sensible German people feeling that Hitler was leading their nation down a destructive path. Admiral Canaris continued that an honorable surrender from the German army to the American forces could be arranged."
Wilhelm Canaris | Jewish Virtual Library




Hitler would have Canaris strung up by his testicles if he attempted to negotiate on behalf of Germany


Actually....Hitler had Canaris hung twice.
Because Roosevelt wouldn't aid the resistance.....he was bespoken for by Stalin.
Good to see I've reduced you to basing your views on the Magic 8-Ball....no facts, no education....simply blind obedience to Roosevelt.



Need the names of a dozen of so other anti-Nazi, anti-communist Germans in the resistance with whom Roosevelt wouldn't allow the Allies to provide support????

"In a certain sense there was not a single year between 1933 and 1945 during which there was not some contact or attempt at contact, between the anti-Hitler opposition and either Britain or the Unites States, or both." The Greatest War Crime

Wilhelm Canaris

Franz von Papen

Colonel General Ludwig Beck Beginning in early 1937,"the first 'cell' of the Resistance Movement" was formed by Ludwig Beck, Army Chief of staff, and Carl Goerdeler, who had just resigned as Mayor of Leipzig as a gesture in defiance of Nazi anti-Semitism (Ritter,Goerdeler's Struggle, pp. 35-3G, 75-79). As financial adviser to the Robert Bosch firm of Stuttgart, Goerdeler was sent abroad by his employer "on business" between early 1937 and late 1939 to the U.S., Britain, Switzerland, Palestine and a dozen other countries, making contact with persons interested in the overthrow of Hitler's regime (Ibid, pp. 47, 81, 83, 305, 484; and Hoffmann,German Resistance, p. 153). The Greatest War Crime


Carl Friedrich Goerderler

Ulrich von Hassell

Johannes Popitz

Kurt von Hammerstein

Job Wilhelm Georg Erdmann Erwin von Witzleben(4 December 1881 – 8 August 1944) was aGermanofficer, by 1940 in the rank of aField Marshal(Generalfeldmarschall), and army commander in theSecond World War. A leading conspirator in the20 July plot,[1]he was designated to become Commander-in-Chief of theWehrmachtarmed forces in a post-Nazi regimehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_von_Witzleben


There were lots more....




Smashed you in the kisser with a custard pie, huh?

There were some twenty odd attempts on Hitlers life. Untold conspiracies to unseat him or undermine his authority. The Gestapo was quite adept at sniffing them out and dealing with the perpetrators accordingly
Admiral Canaris would be no different
 
So when all is said and done, FDR is still rated one of the top three American presidents by conservative historians and number one by the other historians. All the historians being America's best presidential experts. Maybe arguing with historians is not the best way to defame FDR, how about a vision, Stalin appearing at night and telling the truth about FDR, or the discovery of FDR's secret papers?
 
Carl Friedrich Goerderier is another name PoliticalChic names as a potential peacemaker who could help broker a conditional surrender.
His entire family was arrested with him. They were sent to concentration camps and he and his brother were hung in typical Nazi fashion.
 
This is another guy on PoliticalChic's list of guys who might have been able to negotiate a conditional surrender. Unfortunately, the SS got their hands on him. Being a diplomat from a good family, they gave him a two-day trial. Then they hanged him.
 
FDR saved the free world....Great President
FDR made everyone born after March 9th, 1933 as a surety of the debt via their birth certificate.....how was that a good thing? He made everyone a 14th amendment citizen subject to acts, statutes and codes using Admiralty law instead of the organic Constitution....how did he "free" anyone???
 
FDR saved the free world....Great President
FDR made everyone born after March 9th, 1933 as a surety of the debt via their birth certificate.....how was that a good thing? He made everyone a 14th amendment citizen subject to acts, statutes and codes using Admiralty law instead of the organic Constitution....how did he "free" anyone???
It was good for a few hundred million American who retired with enough funds to live their last years with dignity and a level of comfort. That is provable undeniable fact. Seventy plus years of retired people able to collect funding for retirement. Those other things you mention are just speculations and opinions of a political nature and agenda. But those old times collecting monthly checks for over 70 years is fact, not speculation or opinion.
 
We have been down this road many times and I have provided you numerous links...all of which you have ignored. Why? Because you are statist dupe.

When will you learn that elitists in government, like your hero FDR, are liars....prolific liars?
I did not ignore your links. I believe I explained very clearly why they were not appropriate nor fulfilling my request for links to prove the point you were attempting to make.
I remember you could not provide links relevant to the topic at hand so you gave links to unrelated topics. I rejected the links you provided for that reason.
You are making an accusation that began 75 years ago. It was debunked by numerous military and congressional committees way back then and has continued to be debunked over and over, decade after decade. As I previously stated, one need only google 'pearl harbor conspiracy theories debunked' to have access to endless pages of your theories being debunked.
Yes the truth is plain to see, yet some refuse to accept it.

Americans WANT to believe their political leaders truthful, just, and good. They are told this from age of five, in government schools and by government agents. Some fully accept the propaganda ignoring 5000 years of history that reveals nearly all political leaders are liars, criminals, and unethical.
I don't know anyone who grew up learning the nonsense in public schools you are claiming. Everyone knows politicians are almost always crooks and liars. We accept it from the ones we like and use it to demonize the ones we dislike. No better example can be made than Trump calling his opponents liars when he himself is a pathological liar of epic proportions and his supporters allow it and accept it.
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That is too funny even coming from you...you don't know anyone who learned the truth about Stalin's Stooge in the public schools...hahahahhaha.....................Do you know why? Because the public schools don't teach the truth, you silly uninformed FDR sycophant.

Glad you can see that politicians today are epic liars. We can agree on that, but unlike you I realize that this is nothing new. Unfortunately, you can't see it in FDR, who was a much greatly liar who caused tremendous death and suffering.
I am a 65-year-old 2nd generation east European who grew up with first-hand stories of the USSR as well as grandparents and other relatives that survived the Great Depression and a father and several uncles and 2nd cousins who fought in WWII. Our homes were always full of immigrants escaping from the USSR during the Cold War. I knew more about Stalin and the USSR as a child than you know as an adult.
We have been down this road many times and I have provided you numerous links...all of which you have ignored. Why? Because you are statist dupe.

When will you learn that elitists in government, like your hero FDR, are liars....prolific liars?
I did not ignore your links. I believe I explained very clearly why they were not appropriate nor fulfilling my request for links to prove the point you were attempting to make.
I remember you could not provide links relevant to the topic at hand so you gave links to unrelated topics. I rejected the links you provided for that reason.
You are making an accusation that began 75 years ago. It was debunked by numerous military and congressional committees way back then and has continued to be debunked over and over, decade after decade. As I previously stated, one need only google 'pearl harbor conspiracy theories debunked' to have access to endless pages of your theories being debunked.
Yes the truth is plain to see, yet some refuse to accept it.

Americans WANT to believe their political leaders truthful, just, and good. They are told this from age of five, in government schools and by government agents. Some fully accept the propaganda ignoring 5000 years of history that reveals nearly all political leaders are liars, criminals, and unethical.
I don't know anyone who grew up learning the nonsense in public schools you are claiming. Everyone knows politicians are almost always crooks and liars. We accept it from the ones we like and use it to demonize the ones we dislike. No better example can be made than Trump calling his opponents liars when he himself is a pathological liar of epic proportions and his supporters allow it and accept it.
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That is too funny even coming from you...you don't know anyone who learned the truth about Stalin's Stooge in the public schools...hahahahhaha.....................Do you know why? Because the public schools don't teach the truth, you silly uninformed FDR sycophant.

Glad you can see that politicians today are epic liars. We can agree on that, but unlike you I realize that this is nothing new. Unfortunately, you can't see it in FDR, who was a much greatly liar who caused tremendous death and suffering.
It could also be that public schools don't like to teach wacko right wing conspiracy theories.


Couldn't have been a Bolshevik revolution nor a atheistic communism regime without the help of the Jesuits and Wall Street that controlled the WH after the Fed Act of 1913. The Tsar of Russia helped keep England and France from re-claiming the united states for America by keeping them at bay as they were going to come in on the side of the south. The south would have never tried to secede had it not been for the Jesuits that promised Jefferson Davis (that belonged to the Jesuit Knights of the Golden Circle). The Rothschilds funded all of this chicanery and they swore revenge on the Tsar and they got it 56 years later with the Bolshevik Revelution
 
FDR saved the free world....Great President
FDR made everyone born after March 9th, 1933 as a surety of the debt via their birth certificate.....how was that a good thing? He made everyone a 14th amendment citizen subject to acts, statutes and codes using Admiralty law instead of the organic Constitution....how did he "free" anyone???
It was good for a few hundred million American who retired with enough funds to live their last years with dignity and a level of comfort. That is provable undeniable fact. Seventy plus years of retired people able to collect funding for retirement. Those other things you mention are just speculations and opinions of a political nature and agenda. But those old times collecting monthly checks for over 70 years is fact, not speculation or opinion.
When the birth certificate was monetized, it was put as a worth of 1 million dollars that then turned into 9 million dollars worth of loans with usury attached to it due to fractional reserve banking. With the gold confiscation of the American people that was then stolen by the Fed bankers, our bills were to be essentially paid because we were no longer using money but debt notes so "da gubermint" DID not give anyone anything . The birth certificate bond matures when the "person" (i.e a corporate entity turns 18) and from that point on starts earning real interest for whichever bank purchased it based on your earnings, taxes and other "gubermint" penalties and fees that you pay over your lifetime. They collect the balance on that bond with your death certificate. The bond that was created could only be used as collateral with our permission and that was why the S.S law was put into place...once you signed off on it, you made "da gubermint" the trustee on that bond in exchange for social security, unemployment insurance that was later used to tax you and your employer to fund through an extraction of your labor...so much shit that you don't know and understand and I doubt that you even have the intellect to understand it.
 
Imagine the conservatives glee if there had been no internment camps and there had been sabotage. Conservatives and Republicans could really have a field day with FDR. In any case most of the Japanese-Americans seemed to have understood and continued to support the Democratic party of FDR even to this day.

But yet weepy leftards like you want a totally unsecured southern border while taking in thousands of un-vetted muslims during this alleged fake war on terrorism. Plenty of stipends, perks and benefits for illegals while we have veterans that can't get treatment, can't find jobs and are homeless. Let me tell ya something, douchebag, FDR goaded Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor. The FDR admin cut off oil and steel to Japan while they were warring with China. The Japanese code had been broken a year before the attack and ships were sent there to be sunk. Not only that, they intentionally let sailors die that were tapping out Morse code SOS signals for up to 16 days after Pearl Harbor and never lifted a finger to help them because they needed a high body count and it was all done so Americans would support entering WWII to fight the Nazis that were financed by the banking oligarchs, Wall Street and the corporations that made huge profits off of concentration camp labor. Hitler was a Rothschild agent and he could have never risen to power without the help of monarchs and the good ol' USA.INC's owners....and that is a fact.

Learn, grow, evolve....I am here to help....
Nothing in your conspiracy theory is even remotely provable. Most of it is not even logical or sensible. Just ramblings like a retard on acid.

Imagine the conservatives glee if there had been no internment camps and there had been sabotage. Conservatives and Republicans could really have a field day with FDR. In any case most of the Japanese-Americans seemed to have understood and continued to support the Democratic party of FDR even to this day.

But yet weepy leftards like you want a totally unsecured southern border while taking in thousands of un-vetted muslims during this alleged fake war on terrorism. Plenty of stipends, perks and benefits for illegals while we have veterans that can't get treatment, can't find jobs and are homeless. Let me tell ya something, douchebag, FDR goaded Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor. The FDR admin cut off oil and steel to Japan while they were warring with China. The Japanese code had been broken a year before the attack and ships were sent there to be sunk. Not only that, they intentionally let sailors die that were tapping out Morse code SOS signals for up to 16 days after Pearl Harbor and never lifted a finger to help them because they needed a high body count and it was all done so Americans would support entering WWII to fight the Nazis that were financed by the banking oligarchs, Wall Street and the corporations that made huge profits off of concentration camp labor. Hitler was a Rothschild agent and he could have never risen to power without the help of monarchs and the good ol' USA.INC's owners....and that is a fact.

Learn, grow, evolve....I am here to help....
Nothing in your conspiracy theory is even remotely provable. Most of it is not even logical or sensible. Just ramblings like a retard on acid.

Do your own due diligence and then come back and tell me that I am wrong...I shan't hold my breath.
Imagine the conservatives glee if there had been no internment camps and there had been sabotage. Conservatives and Republicans could really have a field day with FDR. In any case most of the Japanese-Americans seemed to have understood and continued to support the Democratic party of FDR even to this day.

But yet weepy leftards like you want a totally unsecured southern border while taking in thousands of un-vetted muslims during this alleged fake war on terrorism. Plenty of stipends, perks and benefits for illegals while we have veterans that can't get treatment, can't find jobs and are homeless. Let me tell ya something, douchebag, FDR goaded Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor. The FDR admin cut off oil and steel to Japan while they were warring with China. The Japanese code had been broken a year before the attack and ships were sent there to be sunk. Not only that, they intentionally let sailors die that were tapping out Morse code SOS signals for up to 16 days after Pearl Harbor and never lifted a finger to help them because they needed a high body count and it was all done so Americans would support entering WWII to fight the Nazis that were financed by the banking oligarchs, Wall Street and the corporations that made huge profits off of concentration camp labor. Hitler was a Rothschild agent and he could have never risen to power without the help of monarchs and the good ol' USA.INC's owners....and that is a fact.

Learn, grow, evolve....I am here to help....
Nothing in your conspiracy theory is even remotely provable. Most of it is not even logical or sensible. Just ramblings like a retard on acid.
It's not a theory nor is it even up for debate should you do even a little bit of digging...but I understand where you are coming from because you believe that "da gubermint" works for you and has your best interest at heart. I beg to differ. This corporate entity has been bending us over since the early 1970's after they felt that they no longer needed a strong middle class. because it wasn't "sustainable"...that was when the Rockefeller Foundation recruited the liberal stupid fucks into the "environmental movement" and funded them as they screamed that we were killing the earth. The term "theory" means that it is a systematic explanation of which can never be proven....I have documentation and the quotes of those invloved i this massive con job. Have you done any research about the Act of 1871, Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and the conditions leading up to it? How about the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy March 9th of 1933 of this corporate entity.......how much do you know...or are you simply one of the booger picking morons that smear their snot on the urinal walls???
I think you know the answer.

Leftnutter, Regent, and Camp are statists. They were indoctrinated by the state, in the government schools, and unfortunately are incapable of over coming that indoctrination. They are not stupid people, just brainwashed people.

An easy way to determine if an American is uninformed or brainwashed, is ask them if FDR was a great POTUS. If they say he was, they have clearly identified themselves.
Even conservative historians acknowledge the greatness of FDR

As does most of the world


In the face of numerous revelations about Roosevelt's mistakes, gaffes, bias toward minorities, fiscal misadventures such as Social Security, extending both the Depression and WWII, and love affair with the homicidal killer, Joseph Stalin....


...we still hear that 'historians' "rated FDR as America's greatest president."


How much faith should one put into the scribblings of an amanuensis, one who simply takes dictation from a superior, who is neither objective, nor factual, in that said 'historian' can choose what to put in and what to leave out?




If historians depend on the folks in charge for both income and status, how much faith should be put in the truth of their conclusions?




And, btw....who owns academia and almost every avenue of the dissemination of information?
Yup....Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.

No wonder so many undeserving individuals, read 'FDR' and Obama, get praises heaped upon them.






The answer as to how much to accept the view of said 'historians' is, or course,"trust, but verify."
A real President coined that phrase.
 
The fact is, that by allowing Stalin to set the perimeters...'unconditional surrender,' rather than surrender.....Roosevelt added 200,000 dead and wounded to the American toll.

Wadda guy, huh?
Frau Braun

Haven't we been over this unconditional surrender screed before?
Under what conditions do you believe Hitler would accept surrender?

"Under what conditions do you believe Hitler would accept surrender?"
You know, liar, that I never said Hitler would have surrendered.
Why do you continue to advanced the fib?
Oh....right....to shield Roosevelt.

Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, head of the Abwehr would have.

"Admiral Wilhelm Canaris. The head of the German Secret Service told Earle there were many sensible German people feeling that Hitler was leading their nation down a destructive path. Admiral Canaris continued that an honorable surrender from the German army to the American forces could be arranged."
Wilhelm Canaris | Jewish Virtual Library




Hitler would have Canaris strung up by his testicles if he attempted to negotiate on behalf of Germany


Actually....Hitler had Canaris hung twice.
Because Roosevelt wouldn't aid the resistance.....he was bespoken for by Stalin.
Good to see I've reduced you to basing your views on the Magic 8-Ball....no facts, no education....simply blind obedience to Roosevelt.



Need the names of a dozen of so other anti-Nazi, anti-communist Germans in the resistance with whom Roosevelt wouldn't allow the Allies to provide support????

"In a certain sense there was not a single year between 1933 and 1945 during which there was not some contact or attempt at contact, between the anti-Hitler opposition and either Britain or the Unites States, or both." The Greatest War Crime

Wilhelm Canaris

Franz von Papen

Colonel General Ludwig Beck Beginning in early 1937,"the first 'cell' of the Resistance Movement" was formed by Ludwig Beck, Army Chief of staff, and Carl Goerdeler, who had just resigned as Mayor of Leipzig as a gesture in defiance of Nazi anti-Semitism (Ritter,Goerdeler's Struggle, pp. 35-3G, 75-79). As financial adviser to the Robert Bosch firm of Stuttgart, Goerdeler was sent abroad by his employer "on business" between early 1937 and late 1939 to the U.S., Britain, Switzerland, Palestine and a dozen other countries, making contact with persons interested in the overthrow of Hitler's regime (Ibid, pp. 47, 81, 83, 305, 484; and Hoffmann,German Resistance, p. 153). The Greatest War Crime


Carl Friedrich Goerderler

Ulrich von Hassell

Johannes Popitz

Kurt von Hammerstein

Job Wilhelm Georg Erdmann Erwin von Witzleben(4 December 1881 – 8 August 1944) was aGermanofficer, by 1940 in the rank of aField Marshal(Generalfeldmarschall), and army commander in theSecond World War. A leading conspirator in the20 July plot,[1]he was designated to become Commander-in-Chief of theWehrmachtarmed forces in a post-Nazi regimehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_von_Witzleben


There were lots more....




Smashed you in the kisser with a custard pie, huh?

There were some twenty odd attempts on Hitlers life. Untold conspiracies to unseat him or undermine his authority. The Gestapo was quite adept at sniffing them out and dealing with the perpetrators accordingly
Admiral Canaris would be no different



Wall Street and the Monarchies that supported Hitler and made a pretty penny off of his slave labor where in no hurry to shut Hitler down. He was allowed to escape and lived until his death in South America. USA.INC picked over the remains of the S.S and Gestapo and brought the best of the best into America using the Vatican ratlines (which their backgrounds were whitewashed) under "Operation Paperclip" and put in places of power and high positions like the OSS that later became the CIA. They were also given positions in the space program that later became NASA....and that is a fact. The Third Reich didn't actually lose the war, they simply relocated. The ones that were able to escape to Neuschwabenland (aka Antarctica) used the technology that they were not able to use due to time restraints to strong-arm USA.INC into allowing them to join their fellow Nazis in exchange for amnesty. The alleged ET crafts that flew over the WH in 1952 was an intimidation tactic by the rogue Nazis. They had the technology but not the industrial means, USA.INC had the industrial means but not the technology.

 

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