FBI Statistics Prove That The Police Aren't Racist

[IM2]

Could it be that blacks are committing a disproportionate number of crimes?

No.

 

[JGalt]

Even the FBI Thinks Police Have Links to White Supremacists — but Don’t Tell the New York Times

Natasha Lennard
November 5 2018

Over the weekend, the New York Times Magazine published a lengthy and in-depth piece on how U.S. law enforcement has willfully ignored the threat of white supremacist extremism for decades. The author, Janet Reitman, takes an ostensibly deep dive into how law enforcement — particularly federal agencies — has neglected the growth of the violent far right, in part owing to Republican political agenda setting. For a story framed around a “blind spot,” though, the piece itself is hobbled by an egregious case of sightlessness.

The Times tells a story about law enforcement failing and struggling to deal with white supremacy. The elephant in the room, unmentioned by Reitman or any of the sources she chose to cite, is that U.S. law enforcement doesn’t do enough about violent racists because as an institution, U.S. law enforcement is violently racist and contains explicit white supremacists in its ranks.

The problem is that the framing of the New York Times Magazine piece ignores the deep and historic links between policing and racism.

It is not that the Times story doesn’t contain some bits of information that point to this obvious conclusion. Reitman goes as far as to call law enforcement’s indifference to white supremacist extremism “willful”; an entire section of the piece reports on how police regularly permit neo-Nazi violence at rallies, while instead targeting left-wing, anti-racist protesters. She notes how police have been seen posing for photos with the so-called alt-right, and briefly highlights an incident, first reported by Arun Gupta for The Intercept, in which a right-wing militia member aided officers from the Department of Homeland Security in arresting an anti-fascist protester.

Rather, the problem is that the larger framing of the piece ignores the deep and historic links between policing and racism. Throughout the Times Magazine article, a sharp line is drawn between police officers and the white supremacists they interact with — it’s a profound category mistake.

Even the FBI Thinks Police Have Links to White Supremacists — but Don’t Tell the New York Times

FBI Investigated White Supremacists in Police – The Intercept

White supremacists and other domestic extremists maintain an active presence in U.S. police departments and other law enforcement agencies. A striking reference to that conclusion, notable for its confidence and the policy prescriptions that accompany it, appears in a classified FBI Counterterrorism Policy Guide from April 2015, obtained by The Intercept. The guide, which details the process by which the FBI enters individuals on a terrorism watchlist, the Known or Suspected Terrorist File, notes that “domestic terrorism investigations focused on militia extremists, white supremacist extremists, and sovereign citizen extremists often have identified active links to law enforcement officers,” and explains in some detail how bureau policies have been crafted to take this infiltration into account.

Although these right-wing extremists have posed a growing threat for years, federal investigators have been reluctant to publicly address that threat or to point out the movement’s longstanding strategy of infiltrating the law enforcement community.

No centralized recruitment process or set of national standards exists for the 18,000 law enforcement agencies in the United States, many of which have deep historical connections to racist ideologies. As a result, state and local police as well as sheriff’s departments present ample opportunities for white supremacists and other right-wing extremists looking to expand their power base.

In a heavily redacted version of an October 2006 FBI internal intelligence assessment, the agency raised the alarm over white supremacist groups’ “historical” interest in “infiltrating law enforcement communities or recruiting law enforcement personnel.” The effort, the memo noted, “can lead to investigative breaches and can jeopardize the safety of law enforcement sources or personnel.” The memo also states that law enforcement had recently become aware of the term “ghost skins,” used among white supremacists to describe “those who avoid overt displays of their beliefs to blend into society and covertly advance white supremacist causes.” In at least one case, the FBI learned of a skinhead group encouraging ghost skins to seek employment with law enforcement agencies in order to warn crews of any investigations.

The FBI Has Quietly Investigated White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement

Should I believe anything written by an #Occupy Wall Street activist, a cop-hater, and a Bill Ayers supporter? Seriously? Your communistic side is showing, Comrade.

New Video Reveals: New York Times Reporter Natasha Lennard Is #OccupyWallStreet Activist, Supporter

Natasha Lennard Whitewashes Bill Ayers' History | Breitbart

 

[IM2]

I wonder if the nation’s greatest race hustler (BO) will take notice.

The former POTUS was able to garner an education. He knows like most educated people statistics doesnt show whats in a persons intentions.

He was able to "garner" an education, thanks to the help from some rich Saudis, and Affirmative Action. Why do you think he was so beholden to the Saudis?

Saudi billionaire did help Obama into Harvard - WND - WND

WorldNet Daily?

So how did he get into Columbia?

Affirmative Action doesn't take tests, research or writes papers. Whites have got what you think AA Is for all 242 years of Americas existence. And that includes you.

 

[JGalt]

I wonder if the nation’s greatest race hustler (BO) will take notice.

The former POTUS was able to garner an education. He knows like most educated people statistics doesnt show whats in a persons intentions.

He was able to "garner" an education, thanks to the help from some rich Saudis, and Affirmative Action. Why do you think he was so beholden to the Saudis?

Saudi billionaire did help Obama into Harvard - WND - WND

WorldNet Daily?

So how did he get into Columbia?

Affirmative Action doesn't take tests, research or writes papers. Whites have got what you think AA Is for all 242 years of Americas existence. And that includes you.

At least my sources aren't aligned with an ideology that's been responsible for the murder of over 100 million people throughout history.

Your political alliances are painfully obvious, Comrade.

 

[IM2]

Even the FBI Thinks Police Have Links to White Supremacists — but Don’t Tell the New York Times

Natasha Lennard
November 5 2018

Over the weekend, the New York Times Magazine published a lengthy and in-depth piece on how U.S. law enforcement has willfully ignored the threat of white supremacist extremism for decades. The author, Janet Reitman, takes an ostensibly deep dive into how law enforcement — particularly federal agencies — has neglected the growth of the violent far right, in part owing to Republican political agenda setting. For a story framed around a “blind spot,” though, the piece itself is hobbled by an egregious case of sightlessness.

The Times tells a story about law enforcement failing and struggling to deal with white supremacy. The elephant in the room, unmentioned by Reitman or any of the sources she chose to cite, is that U.S. law enforcement doesn’t do enough about violent racists because as an institution, U.S. law enforcement is violently racist and contains explicit white supremacists in its ranks.

The problem is that the framing of the New York Times Magazine piece ignores the deep and historic links between policing and racism.

It is not that the Times story doesn’t contain some bits of information that point to this obvious conclusion. Reitman goes as far as to call law enforcement’s indifference to white supremacist extremism “willful”; an entire section of the piece reports on how police regularly permit neo-Nazi violence at rallies, while instead targeting left-wing, anti-racist protesters. She notes how police have been seen posing for photos with the so-called alt-right, and briefly highlights an incident, first reported by Arun Gupta for The Intercept, in which a right-wing militia member aided officers from the Department of Homeland Security in arresting an anti-fascist protester.

Rather, the problem is that the larger framing of the piece ignores the deep and historic links between policing and racism. Throughout the Times Magazine article, a sharp line is drawn between police officers and the white supremacists they interact with — it’s a profound category mistake.

Even the FBI Thinks Police Have Links to White Supremacists — but Don’t Tell the New York Times

FBI Investigated White Supremacists in Police – The Intercept

White supremacists and other domestic extremists maintain an active presence in U.S. police departments and other law enforcement agencies. A striking reference to that conclusion, notable for its confidence and the policy prescriptions that accompany it, appears in a classified FBI Counterterrorism Policy Guide from April 2015, obtained by The Intercept. The guide, which details the process by which the FBI enters individuals on a terrorism watchlist, the Known or Suspected Terrorist File, notes that “domestic terrorism investigations focused on militia extremists, white supremacist extremists, and sovereign citizen extremists often have identified active links to law enforcement officers,” and explains in some detail how bureau policies have been crafted to take this infiltration into account.

Although these right-wing extremists have posed a growing threat for years, federal investigators have been reluctant to publicly address that threat or to point out the movement’s longstanding strategy of infiltrating the law enforcement community.

No centralized recruitment process or set of national standards exists for the 18,000 law enforcement agencies in the United States, many of which have deep historical connections to racist ideologies. As a result, state and local police as well as sheriff’s departments present ample opportunities for white supremacists and other right-wing extremists looking to expand their power base.

In a heavily redacted version of an October 2006 FBI internal intelligence assessment, the agency raised the alarm over white supremacist groups’ “historical” interest in “infiltrating law enforcement communities or recruiting law enforcement personnel.” The effort, the memo noted, “can lead to investigative breaches and can jeopardize the safety of law enforcement sources or personnel.” The memo also states that law enforcement had recently become aware of the term “ghost skins,” used among white supremacists to describe “those who avoid overt displays of their beliefs to blend into society and covertly advance white supremacist causes.” In at least one case, the FBI learned of a skinhead group encouraging ghost skins to seek employment with law enforcement agencies in order to warn crews of any investigations.

The FBI Has Quietly Investigated White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement

Should I believe anything written by an #Occupy Wall Street activist, a cop-hater, and a Bill Ayers supporter? Seriously? Your communistic side is showing, Comrade.

New Video Reveals: New York Times Reporter Natasha Lennard Is #OccupyWallStreet Activist, Supporter

Natasha Lennard Whitewashes Bill Ayers' History | Breitbart

It doesn't matter what you don't believe jabroni.

Counterterrorism Policy Guide

FBI Counterterrorism Policy Guide from April 2015 - Yahoo Search Results

 

[IM2]

I wonder if the nation’s greatest race hustler (BO) will take notice.

The former POTUS was able to garner an education. He knows like most educated people statistics doesnt show whats in a persons intentions.

He was able to "garner" an education, thanks to the help from some rich Saudis, and Affirmative Action. Why do you think he was so beholden to the Saudis?

Saudi billionaire did help Obama into Harvard - WND - WND

WorldNet Daily?

So how did he get into Columbia?

Affirmative Action doesn't take tests, research or writes papers. Whites have got what you think AA Is for all 242 years of Americas existence. And that includes you.

At least my sources aren't aligned with an ideology that's been responsible for the murder of over 100 million people throughout history.

Your political alliances are painfully obvious, Comrade.

Your ideology is responsible for the deaths of over 1 billion worldwide, white supremacist.

 

[AveryJarhman]

#TheLargerIssue #Fatherlessness #ChildNeglectMaltreatment #MentalHealth #SOLUTIONS

​

Peace.

 

[JGalt]

Even the FBI Thinks Police Have Links to White Supremacists — but Don’t Tell the New York Times

Natasha Lennard
November 5 2018

Over the weekend, the New York Times Magazine published a lengthy and in-depth piece on how U.S. law enforcement has willfully ignored the threat of white supremacist extremism for decades. The author, Janet Reitman, takes an ostensibly deep dive into how law enforcement — particularly federal agencies — has neglected the growth of the violent far right, in part owing to Republican political agenda setting. For a story framed around a “blind spot,” though, the piece itself is hobbled by an egregious case of sightlessness.

The Times tells a story about law enforcement failing and struggling to deal with white supremacy. The elephant in the room, unmentioned by Reitman or any of the sources she chose to cite, is that U.S. law enforcement doesn’t do enough about violent racists because as an institution, U.S. law enforcement is violently racist and contains explicit white supremacists in its ranks.

The problem is that the framing of the New York Times Magazine piece ignores the deep and historic links between policing and racism.

It is not that the Times story doesn’t contain some bits of information that point to this obvious conclusion. Reitman goes as far as to call law enforcement’s indifference to white supremacist extremism “willful”; an entire section of the piece reports on how police regularly permit neo-Nazi violence at rallies, while instead targeting left-wing, anti-racist protesters. She notes how police have been seen posing for photos with the so-called alt-right, and briefly highlights an incident, first reported by Arun Gupta for The Intercept, in which a right-wing militia member aided officers from the Department of Homeland Security in arresting an anti-fascist protester.

Rather, the problem is that the larger framing of the piece ignores the deep and historic links between policing and racism. Throughout the Times Magazine article, a sharp line is drawn between police officers and the white supremacists they interact with — it’s a profound category mistake.

Even the FBI Thinks Police Have Links to White Supremacists — but Don’t Tell the New York Times

FBI Investigated White Supremacists in Police – The Intercept

White supremacists and other domestic extremists maintain an active presence in U.S. police departments and other law enforcement agencies. A striking reference to that conclusion, notable for its confidence and the policy prescriptions that accompany it, appears in a classified FBI Counterterrorism Policy Guide from April 2015, obtained by The Intercept. The guide, which details the process by which the FBI enters individuals on a terrorism watchlist, the Known or Suspected Terrorist File, notes that “domestic terrorism investigations focused on militia extremists, white supremacist extremists, and sovereign citizen extremists often have identified active links to law enforcement officers,” and explains in some detail how bureau policies have been crafted to take this infiltration into account.

Although these right-wing extremists have posed a growing threat for years, federal investigators have been reluctant to publicly address that threat or to point out the movement’s longstanding strategy of infiltrating the law enforcement community.

No centralized recruitment process or set of national standards exists for the 18,000 law enforcement agencies in the United States, many of which have deep historical connections to racist ideologies. As a result, state and local police as well as sheriff’s departments present ample opportunities for white supremacists and other right-wing extremists looking to expand their power base.

In a heavily redacted version of an October 2006 FBI internal intelligence assessment, the agency raised the alarm over white supremacist groups’ “historical” interest in “infiltrating law enforcement communities or recruiting law enforcement personnel.” The effort, the memo noted, “can lead to investigative breaches and can jeopardize the safety of law enforcement sources or personnel.” The memo also states that law enforcement had recently become aware of the term “ghost skins,” used among white supremacists to describe “those who avoid overt displays of their beliefs to blend into society and covertly advance white supremacist causes.” In at least one case, the FBI learned of a skinhead group encouraging ghost skins to seek employment with law enforcement agencies in order to warn crews of any investigations.

The FBI Has Quietly Investigated White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement

Should I believe anything written by an #Occupy Wall Street activist, a cop-hater, and a Bill Ayers supporter? Seriously? Your communistic side is showing, Comrade.

New Video Reveals: New York Times Reporter Natasha Lennard Is #OccupyWallStreet Activist, Supporter

Natasha Lennard Whitewashes Bill Ayers' History | Breitbart

It doesn't matter what you don't believe jabroni.

Counterterrorism Policy Guide

FBI Counterterrorism Policy Guide from April 2015 - Yahoo Search Results

If it doesn't matter what I believe, then you'll surely have no problem with my not believing you.

 

[beagle9]

I wonder if the nation’s greatest race hustler (BO) will take notice.

The former POTUS was able to garner an education. He knows like most educated people statistics doesnt show whats in a persons intentions.

He was able to "garner" an education, thanks to the help from some rich Saudis, and Affirmative Action. Why do you think he was so beholden to the Saudis?

Saudi billionaire did help Obama into Harvard - WND - WND

WorldNet Daily?

So how did he get into Columbia?

Affirmative Action doesn't take tests, research or writes papers. Whites have got what you think AA Is for all 242 years of Americas existence. And that includes you.

If you hate this place and whites so bad, then why don't you be a man about it, and take your racist self over to Africa that you undoubtedly identify with so much better ??? No you would rather stay here crying and whining for ever huh ?

 

[JGalt]

I wonder if the nation’s greatest race hustler (BO) will take notice.

The former POTUS was able to garner an education. He knows like most educated people statistics doesnt show whats in a persons intentions.

He was able to "garner" an education, thanks to the help from some rich Saudis, and Affirmative Action. Why do you think he was so beholden to the Saudis?

Saudi billionaire did help Obama into Harvard - WND - WND

WorldNet Daily?

So how did he get into Columbia?

Affirmative Action doesn't take tests, research or writes papers. Whites have got what you think AA Is for all 242 years of Americas existence. And that includes you.

If you hate this place and whites so bad, then why don't you be a man about it, and take your racist self over to Africa that you undoubtedly identify with so much better ??? No you would rather stay here crying and whining for ever huh ?

Are you kidding? He'd rather stay here and see how many fat ugly sorry-assed white women he can get knocked up, hoping to change the country's racial proportions some day.

It's called "changing the system from within."

 

[well named]

The thread title is a non-sequitur. The statistics cited neither prove nor disprove anything in particular about racism in the criminal justice system in general, or in policing specifically.

The article itself makes a few claims I wanted to comment on:

"First, a 2016 study by Roland G. Fryer Jr., who is an economics professor at Harvard. He found that no racial bias could be detected in police shootings, in either the raw data or when accounting for controls."​

Right away it's important to point out that the reason Fryer's research is useful is because it uses better data and better methods than just citing some descriptive statistics, as the author of the article and the OP do. It's good to recognize the importance of the kinds of controls Fryer uses in his methods, but recognizing that should also mean realizing that the argument OP makes is useless.

On police shootings specifically, there are some limitations to Fryer's research which I think are worth pointing out. First, he restricts analysis to data gathered from a single police department: the Houston PD. Further, he chooses a random sample of police reports for a specific subset of arrest categories (pp. 14,15, 21). What this means is that he only examines officer involved shootings in Houston where the police response is categorized as involving "attempted capital murder of a public safety officer, aggravated assault on a public safety officer, resisting arrest, evading arrest, and interfering in arrest." He finds no racial bias in the data set he examines, and in fact concludes that the police officers in the cases he examined were less likely to shoot black suspects.

The advantage of Fryer's methodological choices is that it allows him to try to isolate personal racial bias as a cause of racial disparities in police shootings. The disadvantage is that the choice of data set may obscure other sources of racial bias, or even obscure the kind of racial bias he's looking for through the limited choice of arrest categories. He may also get a negative result where a similar study of another police department would have found a bias. Fryer mentions all of these potential drawbacks, but I would draw attention to one in particular because I think it helps make clear how racial injustice can take different forms:

"To be clear, the empirical thought experiment here is that a police officer arrives at a scene and decides whether or not to use lethal force. Our estimates suggest that this decision is not correlated with the race of the suspect. This does not, however, rule out the possibility that there are important racial differences in whether or not these police-civilian interactions occur at all." (p. 23)
​

And Fryer's research is not the only study of police shootings. Here is a different study that used a larger, but somewhat less detailed, dataset than Fryer. It has the advantage of not being limited to a single police department, but the disadvantage of being less able to attempt to isolate a large set of variables. But here's the conclusion:

"The median probability across counties of being {black, unarmed, and shot by police} is 3.49 times the probability of being {white, unarmed, and shot by police}. The median probability across counties of being {hispanic, unarmed, and shot by police} is times the probability of being {white, unarmed, and shot by police}.

As before, there is extensive variation across counties in the U.S. in these relative risk ratios. Figs 6 and 7 plot the posterior distributions of county-specific risk ratios, as well as the geographic distributions of the estimates. It is notable that Miami-Dade (FL, contains Miami), Los Angeles (CA, contains Los Angeles), and Orleans Parish (LA, contains New Orleans), stand out as counties where the ratio of {black, unarmed, and shot by police} to {white, unarmed, and shot by police} is elevated to 22.88, 10.25, and 9.29 respectively." (p. 6)
​

The large variability between jurisdictions illustrates the problem with Fryer's sample. Ross' data shows that some of these issues are much worse in some places than in others.

Also, the author of the article linked by OP completely misrepresents Fryer's conclusion in general. He writes:

"He also found racial bias was detected in lesser use of police force, but not deadly encounters. His recommendation?
'Black Lives Matter should seek solutions within their own communities rather than changing the behaviors of police and other external forces.'"
​

This is a gross misrepresentation of what Fryer actually wrote:

"The importance of our results for racial inequality in America is unclear. It is plausible that racial differences in lower level uses of force are simply a distraction and movements such as Black Lives Matter should seek solutions within their own communities rather than changing the behaviors of police and other external forces.

Much more troubling, due to their frequency and potential impact on minority belief formation, is the possibility that racial differences in police use of non-lethal force has spillovers on myriad dimensions of racial inequality. If, for instance, blacks use their lived experience with police as evidence that the world is discriminatory, then it is easy to understand why black youth invest less in human capital or black adults are more likely to believe discrimination is an important determinant of economic outcomes. Black Dignity Matters"
​

In other words, Fryer by no means suggested what he is claimed to have suggested. In fact, he thinks the racial differences in police use of non-lethal force is more important than Reyes (the author of the linked article) suggests. While Reyes mentions these disparities, he glosses over them.

Finally, while Reyes says he wants to discuss recent research, it's telling that he only cites a single study, while misrepresenting it. There is an enormous amount of literature on racial bias in the criminal justice system which goes well beyond police shootings, from stop and frisk and traffic stops, to jury selection, bail, and sentencing.

​

 

[IM2]

Awesome and informative post well named. Well done.

 

[AveryJarhman]

#TheLargerIssue #Fatherlessness #ChildNeglectMaltreatment #MentalHealth #SOLUTIONS

​

Peace.

 

[Montrovant]

Facts don't matter much to those who believe that law-enforcement officer-involved shootings are motivated by "race", but here they are:

"Let’s look at 2015 police shootings – a time during which some argue police “brutality” spiked. 990 people were shot by police in 2015. Here’s the demographic breakdown of those “victims”:

• White — 494, 50%
• Black — 258, 26%
• Hispanic – 172, 17%
• Other — 66, 7%

Of those:

• Mental illness played a role in 25%.
• 25% involved fleeing suspects.
• In 75% of the incidents, the officer was under attack or defending someone that was.
• Indictments of police officers tripled from previous years..."

FBI Data Proves Police Officers are NOT Racist Killers

Why did you post the statistics showing that whites are shot by police at a lower rate than their population numbers while blacks are shot at a rate roughly double their percentage of the population when making a thread about police not being racist?

Look at the OP again:

"Let’s look at 2015 police shootings – a time during which some argue police “brutality” spiked. 990 people were shot by police in 2015. Here’s the demographic breakdown of those “victims”:

• White — 494, 50%
• Black — 258, 26%

Could it be that blacks are committing a disproportionate number of crimes?

Sure. It could also be that police often have a racial bias, leading to blacks being shot in disproportionate numbers. You're taking one statistic, which in no way proves your point, and highlighting it as though it does.

 

[beagle9]

Just watch Live PD or Cops or 48 hours etc.

Now are these shows bogus or real ?? Are they factual or not ????

Ok, now what are the inferences drawn from these shows ?? What, that the cops are all racist ??? NOT !!!!!!!!!!

 

[Snouter]

I watch Live PD often on the You Tube feed. The live chat is hilarious. But basically most Blacks and Browns pulled over for a traffic issue have one or more of the following:

No drivers license
No vehicle registration or insurance
Significant amounts of narcotics in the vehicle
Illegal firearm in the vehicle
Outstanding warrants

and of course they resist arrest and generally interfere with an officer's procedure which is mandated by local laws, which could be changed if there was a real issue.

So it is "racist" to acknowledge behavior patterns or is it intelligent to acknowledge behavior patterns?

 

[IM2]

I watch Live PD often on the You Tube feed. The live chat is hilarious. But basically most Blacks and Browns pulled over for a traffic issue have one or more of the following:

No drivers license
No vehicle registration or insurance
Have narcotics in the vehicle
Have an illegal firearm in the vehicle
Have outstanding warrants
Resist arrest

So it is "racist" to acknowledge behavior patterns or is it intelligent to acknowledge behavior patterns?

Whites have at least a 242 year behavior pattern of racism. Is it intelligent to acknowledge that?

 

[Olde Europe]

Finally, while Reyes says he wants to discuss recent research, it's telling that he only cites a single study, while misrepresenting it. There is an enormous amount of literature on racial bias in the criminal justice system which goes well beyond police shootings, from stop and frisk and traffic stops, to jury selection, bail, and sentencing.

That was all very well done. Thanks.

There was a minor error in this quoted paragraph (I added the missing figure in bold):

"The median probability across counties of being {black, unarmed, and shot by police} is 3.49 times the probability of being {white, unarmed, and shot by police}. The median probability across counties of being {hispanic, unarmed, and shot by police} is 1.67 times the probability of being {white, unarmed, and shot by police}​

 

[well named]

There was a minor error in this quoted paragraph (I added the missing figure in bold):

"The median probability across counties of being {black, unarmed, and shot by police} is 3.49 times the probability of being {white, unarmed, and shot by police}. The median probability across counties of being {hispanic, unarmed, and shot by police} is 1.67 times the probability of being {white, unarmed, and shot by police}

Ack, thanks for the correction.