FBI hates American Muslims?

[Bosun]

Some of the South Californian mosques and its parishioners became FBI’s surveillance objects and that what is really bothers American Muslim community. I came to the US long before 9/11 and I was really shocked when I saw what happened and every day I pray for the lost in this attack. But FBI and Mueller started illegal surveillance after us! They talk about America’s and its people’s security, but they are simply violating our rights with regard to our nationality and confession. Instead of tracking down the real terrorists they are looking for a sitting duck, spending money of taxpayers and making a window dressing for the public. Does the Agency facing lack of qualified personnel and financing and can’t do some real job to protect all of us? If so, not only American Muslims are in trouble...

Salaamu 'alayki wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu. It's important to understand how these people operate, ukhti. They seem to be less interested in taking proactive measures to combat extremist violence than they are in creating an illusion of competence by fighting "terrorism" that they themselves create. Look at the case of Br. Sami Samir Hassoun:

CHICAGO -- A man arrested for allegedly placing a backpack he thought contained a bomb near Chicago's Wrigley Field got the fake explosive from an FBI undercover agent, authorities say -- a tactic that has been used in other U.S. terrorism cases in recent years.

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Authorities say the informant befriended Hassoun over the course of a year, conducting conversations in Arabic, which were taped and shared with the FBI. Hassoun waffled greatly on his plans, authorities said.

Initially, he didn't want to cause violence, suggesting setting off smoking devices in downtown locations near City Hall, authorities said.

"No killing. There is no killing," he told the informant, according to the complaint.

But his plans became more grand, as he believed bigger acts would command public attention and embarrass the mayor, according to the complaint.

FBI Says It Supplied Fake Bomb in Chicago Plot - FoxNews.com

So the FBI convinces a Muslim to kill people against his own principles, gives him what he believes are explosives, and then arrests him so they can announce another hollow victory in "the war on terrorism." They're probably keeping our masajid under surveillance in order to find more young brothers to turn into criminals. The saddest part is that we probably wouldn't be better off in any other country. All we can do is love Allah (SWT) and our brothers and sisters, make du'a, and hope for the best.

Wa alaikum assalaam, my brother. i believe you are wrong....

 

[High_Gravity]

See what the Turks do ekrem, to their fellow Muslims? it makes me fucking sick, shame on you.

Since the Armenian genocide, Turkey has done very well to hide and disguise its dark history from the international community. But a shady past rarely dawns a bright future.


Instead, Turkey is re-branding itself with Europe-friendly terms to essentially get rid of what it has always wanted to be rid of. Turkey’s tidy up of its language: words with a distinct Kurdish origin wiped out and replaced. Indeed, anything that is not strictly Turkish has been linked to “terrorism” – a trigger word guaranteed to win the sympathies of the international community.


The Turkish constitution does not recognise Kurds in Turkey, and so often labels them as terrorists, providing a convenient scapegoat for military uprisings and other political issues. Thus, “terrorist” becomes a synonym for Kurds.


Turkey frequently argues that the PKK is a terrorist organisation; hence all Kurdish organisations are banned for what they may imply.


Turkey is desperately in need of an imaginary threat to its “national security”, “territorial integrity” and “sovereignty”, achieved by “separatist/terrorist” Kurds. The scale of the suffering Kurds and destruction of Kurdish homeland does not fit into any “terrorist” definition. In 1999, the death toll of Kurds killed in Turkish military operations increased to over 40,000. According to the figures published by Turkey’s own Parliament, 6,000 Kurdish villages were systematically evacuated of all inhabitants and 3,000,000 Kurds have been displaced. This sounds like an elimination of a people, a culture and a homeland.


If Turkey is genuine in its elimination of terrorism, it must take brave steps, accepting Kurdish people and their homeland, Kurdistan, and ending its history of oppression.


Professor Noam Chomsky called the Turkish response to Kurds an “ethnic cleansing”, resulting in the death of thousands, the emigration of over two million people and the destruction of approximately 6000 villages.

KurdishMedia.com: News about Kurds and Kurdistan

 

[ekrem]

Do you have any proof of this? you just dislike America and your making up stories, if you are Muslim and you have nothing to hide no one will bother you.

The USA put pressure on the EU to have insight into SWIFT registered bank-transactions. SWIFT is a databse, which registers about 15 million transaction per day.
According to the Washington Post, the USA plans to decrease the amount of $-transactions from or to foreign countries which have to be registered to Federal Agencies in 2012.
Currently only transactions bigger then 10.000 $ have to be registered.

And you want to tell me, 'American' Muslims are not under surveilance?

 

[High_Gravity]

Do you have any proof of this? you just dislike America and your making up stories, if you are Muslim and you have nothing to hide no one will bother you.

The USA put pressure on the EU to have insight into SWIFT registered bank-transactions. SWIFT is a databse, which registers about 15 million transaction per day.
According to the Washington Post, the USA plans to decrease the amount of $-transactions from or to foreign countries which have to be registered to Federal Agencies in 2012.
Currently only transactions bigger then 10.000 $ have to be registered.

And you want to tell me, 'American' Muslims are not under surveilance?

Your complaining about money transfers, when you guys have this blood on your hands? shame on you.

 

[High_Gravity]

Look at the love the Turks show their fellow Muslims ekrem, chemical weapons?

Numerous reports on frequent clashes between the Kurdish rebels and the Turkish armed forces appeared in the German press. It is also noted that the Turkish army uses chemical weapons against Kurds.

The Turkish armed forces have used chemical weapons and torn to pieces bodies of the Kurdish militants, Turkish Firat news agency reported referring to German Der Spigel, Die Welt and Die Tageszeitung.

In an interview with Der Spigel, the co-chair of Germany’s Green Party Claudia Roth said that Turkey “need to explain things”. In his turn, the chairman of the Bundestag’s Foreign Relations Committee Ruprecht Polenz stated that an international investigation into the incident should be launched.

A forensics report released by the Hamburg University Hospital also backed suspicions that PKK rebels were killed by chemical weapons.

Turks use chemical weapons against Kurds | Armenia News - NEWS.am

 

[ekrem]

You forgot the Armenians and Greeks.

 

[High_Gravity]

You forgot the Armenians and Greeks.

Right, you guys have enough dirty laundry, stay out of ours.

 

[Flagwavrusa]

The intent worries me, what if instead of an informant this was an actual terrorist who wanted to do harm? this is why they do operations like this in the first place. Whether the informant was a good friend to him made no difference, if my best friend told me he needed my help to kill someone or blow up a building, I would tell him to fuck off and contact the authorities. People are not sheep, this man is an adult and made his own decision, now he must face the consequences. Maybe Muslims needs to start saying no to terrorism in general, whether its to informant or actual terrorists.

But it wasn't an actual terrorist (at least not the kind you're talking about) and Hassoun's own statements indicate that he wasn't willing to cause deaths before he was presumably convinced by the informant to change his position (we know, for example, that they promised him money.) If someone was genuinely attempting to convince people to do that sort of thing, it's highly unlikely that...

a. He'd be able to do so without being apprehended;

b. He'd have access to the type of explosives needed to cause any significant damage;

c. His lackey would be able to evade detection and see to the successful detonation of the explosives.

The FBI is practicing entrapment.

The circumstances of the arrest don't fit the profile of entrapment. If an FBI agent posed as an underage seeker of pornography, and offered someone $500 to purchase a xxx magazine from a shop, the offender could reasonably plead entrapment if they bought the magazine and gave it to the agent who would confiscate it. The target of the sting wasn't seeking to sell porn to minors, but found the temptation of a large amount of quick money irresistable in the moment. Had the government not orchestrated these events, its highly unlikely he would ever have commited such a crime.

You cannot make this argument in a terrorist case. No rational person would be convinced to lay a bag of explosives outside a building where crowds gather if offered the opportunity to do so. The vast majority of people propositioned with such an offer would not only refuse they would report it to the authorities. Only a person who harbored a desire to commit an act like that, and had premeditated the crime in advance, would agree to do it. The only reason the apiring terrorist hadn't blown something up as yet was a lack of opportunity to carry it out. The FBI's role was simply to present the illusion of an opportunity which the target took advantage of.

This Muslim was a ticking time bomb and it's a good thing he's no longer in circulation.

 

[Kalam]

The circumstances of the arrest don't fit the profile of entrapment.

Would the courts agree? Couldn't hurt to try.

 

[Kalam]

You all are doing something to be suspect and under surveillance. And if you don't like it, go home.

just saying.

What if I was born here?

Go home was directed at the those who are not born here. As to the ones who are born here..again,something is going on that is making them suspect.

But I haven't done anything.

 

[Kalam]

Responses that are wildly off-topic generally signify an inability to address someone's arguments. Some discussions ITT would be better off in a new thread here:

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[syrenn]

What if I was born here?

Go home was directed at the those who are not born here. As to the ones who are born here..again,something is going on that is making them suspect.

But I haven't done anything.

Then you dont have to worry do you?

 

[Kalam]

Go home was directed at the those who are not born here. As to the ones who are born here..again,something is going on that is making them suspect.

But I haven't done anything.

Then you dont have to worry do you?

Pole Rider says he reported to me to the FBI once.

Maybe they'll try to give me some fake explosives.

 

[syrenn]

But I haven't done anything.

Then you dont have to worry do you?

Pole Rider says he reported to me to the FBI once.

Maybe they'll try to give me some fake explosives.

Personal choice. As i have said before, i your not doing anything suspect you have nothing to worry about.