FBI confirms that Saddam hated Al Qaeda

[RetiredGySgt]

Yes, according to our own intelligence services:

"-Conclusion 5: Postwar information indicates that Saddam Hussein attempted, unsuccessfully, to locate and capture al-Zarqawi and that the regime did not have a relationship with, harbor, or turn a blind eye toward Zarqawi"






Please tell me we didn't invade a nation, at the cost of a trillion dollars, because some moron was applauding al qaeda.

Your president said the Saddam was training, aiding, and harboring al qaeda. Which is the same reason given for overthrowing the taliban.

The only difference is, it wasn't true. Saddam was not aiding or training al qaeda, and in fact considered their fundamentalist ideology to be a threat to his own socialist, secular dictatorship.

Once again for the slow and stupid..... What we learned AFTER the war has nothing to do with what we THOUGHT we knew BEFORE the war. I suspect even a 5 year old could grasp that concept.

 

[maineman]

Bush didn't volunteer to go to Vietnam. that is bullshit.

He is on record as stating he did NOT want to go and was considering either going to Canada or rupturing his own eardrum to avoid serving in Nam.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Saddam saw AQ as HIS enemy. He would no more give them weapons than he would fly. ANd supporting palestinian nationalists is not the same thing as supporting wahabbists. If we were to say that supporting palestinian paramilitary organizations was cause for America to invade, conquer and occupy a country, we'd have to go after after every single country in the Arab League AND Iran.


p.s. you're getting Zarqawi and Zawahiri mixed up....

and yes... I think it is quite possible for Zarqawi to be in and out of a Baghdad hospital before Saddam knew he was there. Think about how long the 9/11 hijackers trained in America and we never caught on.

Ya cause America is a Police State.

 

[maineman]

Once again for the slow and stupid..... What we learned AFTER the war has nothing to do with what we THOUGHT we knew BEFORE the war. I suspect even a 5 year old could grasp that concept.

and what we have learned after the war has gone for five years is that Bush and his gang made some terrible misjudgments and they have cost us much in blood and treasure...and that knowledge will hopefully lead America to take the keys away from the republican party.

 

[maineman]

Ya cause America is a Police State.

Iraq was not a closed country. People travelled back and forth to Baghdad all the time. It is perfectly reasonable to imagine someone going in and out of a hospital in Baghdad without Saddam knowing about it.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I don't agree with the Col's politics nor the way he expresses them, but this is uncalled for. I never met a 46 pilot that wouldn't charge Hell in his bird if he thought a Marine was in trouble and needed a ride.

And if you've ever SEEN or RIDDEN on a CH-46, you wouldn't consider questioning the bravery of the psycho flying it.

Might be true, but the Col. has repeatedly called the Current President a Coward when the man flew the most dangerous aircraft in service in the air force at the time, he flew said aircraft more often and longer then required by his contract and he offered to fly in Vietnam.

I suggest that if Ray can equate Bush as a coward for doing all that, then others can equate Ray the same way.

Now having been a Marine I know full well the dangers of the 46. The joke goes around that if it aint leaking it is crashing. And it is old as the hills. I doubt Ray could ever be called a Coward by anyone with even a basic understanding of what he did. BUT one could reciprocate when viewed from the above comments BY Ray.

 

[JeffWartman]

I don't agree with the Col's politics nor the way he expresses them, but this is uncalled for. I never met a 46 pilot that wouldn't charge Hell in his bird if he thought a Marine was in trouble and needed a ride.

And if you've ever SEEN or RIDDEN on a CH-46, you wouldn't consider questioning the bravery of the psycho flying it.

Amen to that.

 

[JeffWartman]

And yet no one can actually prove anyone lied. I wonder why that is?

Which is why you'll rarely (actually never, unless I slip) call Bush a "liar".

I usually use the term "falsity". The war was based on falsities. Whether those falsities were malicious or not, or intentional or not is impossible to know.

 

[JeffWartman]

Ya cause America is a Police State.

Not yet..but soon.

 

[Zoomie1980]

FBI Agent, in charge of interogating Saddam Hussein, says saddam hated Bin Ladin, and thought al qaeda was a threat to his own regime.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/24/60minutes/main3749494_page4.shtml


As confirmed by the american intelligence community, and the bipartisan Senate intelligence report on iraq in 2006:

This entire thread is ridiculous. So may people know so little about this part of the world.

The Muslim world is NOT just an Arab world. The largets Muslim country is ASIAN! Indonesia.

Iran and Afghanistan are NOT ARAB!!! They are PERSIAN and descendants of the central ASIAN Mongols!

Sadaam hated Iran because he was a SECULAR ARAB and Iran was a radical RELIGIOUS PERSIAN country.

Sadaam hated Al Queda because he is SUNNI arab and the bulk of Al Queda are SHIA and born from the Wahabis of Saudi Arabia.

Muslims of central and west Africa are mostly descendents of the Moors, who have very little to do with Arabs or Persians or Asians.

Bottom line is, the "Muslim world" is in many ways far more fractuous than the Christian world every was. Much more tribal and much higher level of internal hate for each other, only BARELY exceeded by hatred for "infadels".

 

[Gunny]

This entire thread is ridiculous. So may people know so little about this part of the world.

The Muslim world is NOT just an Arab world. The largets Muslim country is ASIAN! Indonesia.

Iran and Afghanistan are NOT ARAB!!! They are PERSIAN and descendants of the central ASIAN Mongols!

Sadaam hated Iran because he was a SECULAR ARAB and Iran was a radical RELIGIOUS PERSIAN country.

Sadaam hated Al Queda because he is SUNNI arab and the bulk of Al Queda are SHIA and born from the Wahabis of Saudi Arabia.

Muslims of central and west Africa are mostly descendents of the Moors, who have very little to do with Arabs or Persians or Asians.

Bottom line is, the "Muslim world" is in many ways far more fractuous than the Christian world every was. Much more tribal and much higher level of internal hate for each other, only BARELY exceeded by hatred for "infadels".

I've got a question while yuo're correcting everyone on their ignorance...

If Wahabbism is the extremist cult of Sunni Muslims, how can the "bulk of al Qaeda" be Shia? Wahabbism was introduced by Saudi Arabia post WW II as a direct counter to the spreading influence of Shi'ism, so one cannot equate to the other.

True enough Iranians and Afghans are Persian not Arab ... but for the purpose of current arguments, Iranians get lumped in as Arabs because it is Iran's objection to Israel and/or Americans being on Arab soil that is paramount.

Your claim is that som many people are ignorant to "this part of the world" -- the Southwest and South Central Asia -- yet, I really don't see that you have made a point that hasn't already been made.

 

[DeadCanDance]

This entire thread is ridiculous. So may people know so little about this part of the world.

The Muslim world is NOT just an Arab world. The largets Muslim country is ASIAN! Indonesia.

Iran and Afghanistan are NOT ARAB!!! They are PERSIAN and descendants of the central ASIAN Mongols!

Sadaam hated Iran because he was a SECULAR ARAB and Iran was a radical RELIGIOUS PERSIAN country.

Sadaam hated Al Queda because he is SUNNI arab and the bulk of Al Queda are SHIA and born from the Wahabis of Saudi Arabia.

Muslims of central and west Africa are mostly descendents of the Moors, who have very little to do with Arabs or Persians or Asians.

Bottom line is, the "Muslim world" is in many ways far more fractuous than the Christian world every was. Much more tribal and much higher level of internal hate for each other, only BARELY exceeded by hatred for "infadels".

Gunny is right about one thing. Al Qaeda are comprised of fundamentalist sunnis, who are oppossed to secular sunni dictatorships throughout the arab world - including Saddam, Mubarak, Musharff, the Gulf state royals, etc.


You nailed everything else though.

 

[Zoomie1980]

Gunny is right about one thing. Al Qaeda are comprised of fundamentalist sunnis, who are oppossed to secular sunni dictatorships throughout the arab world - including Saddam, Mubarak, Musharff, the Gulf state royals, etc.


You nailed everything else though.

Most of this war of words surrounding whether or not Bush "lied" or suppressed/ignored intelligence that ran contrary to his motives, and so on and so forth, is completely irrelevant as to the legitimacy of taking out Sadaam's government.

Most people forget the Persian Gulf I ended with only a CEASE FIRE. Any single violation of the tenants of the cease fire is ample justification under both US and International Law to resume hostilities. And most constitutional scholars believe that Bush Jr. did not even need to seek Congressional approval to resume hostilities as the original vote to use force back in 1991 was basically in perpetuity of the conflict, which never really ended until Sadaam was overthrown.

 

[Gunny]

Most of this war of words surrounding whether or not Bush "lied" or suppressed/ignored intelligence that ran contrary to his motives, and so on and so forth, is completely irrelevant as to the legitimacy of taking out Sadaam's government.

Most people forget the Persian Gulf I ended with only a CEASE FIRE. Any single violation of the tenants of the cease fire is ample justification under both US and International Law to resume hostilities. And most constitutional scholars believe that Bush Jr. did not even need to seek Congressional approval to resume hostilities as the original vote to use force back in 1991 was basically in perpetuity of the conflict, which never really ended until Sadaam was overthrown.

I totally agree, but good luck even getting someone to respond to it unless deflecting, much less convincing them it is fact.