FBI Agent Discusses Bullcrap Regarding Torture

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    FBI Agent Discusses Bullcrap Regarding Torture

    How many times have people (mostly right wingers) stated that without torture (enhanced interrogation techniques) the USA would not have gotten information vital to keeping the USA safe?

    Because people here have very limited news and information sources (ideology and hatred towards msm, and networks, newspapers) I bet have they have used the examples given in the video above - wrongly. People here have been spreading falsehoods, lies, propaganda about the so called WoT: war on terror.

    My Tortured Decision - Video Library - The New York Times

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/23/opinion/23soufan.html

    It is inaccurate, however, to say that Abu Zubaydah had been uncooperative. Along with another F.B.I. agent, and with several C.I.A. officers present, I questioned him from March to June 2002, before the harsh techniques were introduced later in August. Under traditional interrogation methods, he provided us with important actionable intelligence.

    We discovered, for example, that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks. Abu Zubaydah also told us about Jose Padilla, the so-called dirty bomber.


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    Not sure who says what you are claiming Mostly Right wingers say.

    I never have. What I have said is I can imagine situation where I would want the option to use it.

    Example you pick a guy up, who brags to you that very soon thousands of Americans will die, and there is nothing we can do about it.

    Now in that case I think a little enhanced interrogation is in order.
     
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    People performing torture always find a way to justify it

    Blame the victim..

    - He deserves it
    - He is less human than I am
    - I am saving lives by torturing him
     
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    Situations like this don't really exist, except on 24. That's the problem.
     
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    i recant....i will just make them read dante's threads....
     
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    You are so sure of that how? Are you privy to all our intel?

    I think not.

    Oh and I never watched 24.
     
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    Emotionally, your argument makes sense and appeals to me. But if we are to believe the data, there is absolutely no guarantee that the information gotten would be of use in preventing something. If the guy bragging were a bot player, they would not know much, but the general outlines. If a real trained terrorist with knowledge was nabbed, I would have to assume from the data, that they could lie and wait out the imminent attack.

    To seriously argue for the position you took, we would need real life situations that are not exceptions to a rule.
     
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    One of the concepts lost in this entire debate is that the when we are considering the use of "torture" (or enhanced interrogation whatever you want to call it) It would be with the purpose of gaining information. Torture in the old timey days was more often than not for purely punative methods, either as a punishment, or as an example to others (keeping the serfs in line.)

    The use of force in gaining information is a more recent development, mostly beacuse back then very few people in a given army/spy network had the information you needed. Today information is far more widespread, thus more people have access to it.

    When it comes to torture as an end to itself, it becomes easy to condemn it, and swear off its use. When the person in question has information that could save thousands of lives, the question stops being so simple. Regardless of how much you think a "24" like situation cannot happen, it is not an impossibility.
     
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    I practice enhanced posting techniques...which some people will argue is torture.
     

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