Fat City-Thank you, Illinois taxpayers, for my cushy life.

[linyatta]

Congratulations!

Sounds like you made some wise choices in life.

Nothing to be ashamed of.

Enjoy your retirement.

Government jobs have little to do with wise choices. They have to do with affirmative action, nepotism & corruption. Hundreds of well qualified people apply for these jobs but the employees are not chosen for their performance or qualifications.

Government employees should be ashamed about stealing so much money from citizens making half as much.

BTW how your buddy Blago doing?

Anyone who thinks teachers are bankrupting the country is clearly jealous that they didn't or couldn't become one as well. The truth is, you shouldn't be jealous, because I am a teacher and wish I wasn't. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

This thread seems to be about college professors. They are making what the market will bear, so I don't see how any capitalist can cry over this. We have the greatest universities in the world, which I am proud of, so be careful on who you try to squeeze for the deficit.

If you made the choice to become a teacher it wasn't an easy lucrative road. While non college bound people are making money and building their career from the ground up, College bound people spend 5 to 10 years in college working part time at meaningless jobs while building up massive college loan debts that will basically reduce their income by 20 percent for years to come. This is why we make more than you do. We deserve it.

 

[KissMy]

Congratulations!

Sounds like you made some wise choices in life.

Nothing to be ashamed of.

Enjoy your retirement.

Government jobs have little to do with wise choices. They have to do with affirmative action, nepotism & corruption. Hundreds of well qualified people apply for these jobs but the employees are not chosen for their performance or qualifications.

Government employees should be ashamed about stealing so much money from citizens making half as much.

BTW how your buddy Blago doing?

Anyone who thinks teachers are bankrupting the country is clearly jealous that they didn't or couldn't become one as well. The truth is, you shouldn't be jealous, because I am a teacher and wish I wasn't. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

This thread seems to be about college professors. They are making what the market will bear, so I don't see how any capitalist can cry over this. We have the greatest universities in the world, which I am proud of, so be careful on who you try to squeeze for the deficit.

If you made the choice to become a teacher it wasn't an easy lucrative road. While non college bound people are making money and building their career from the ground up, College bound people spend 5 to 10 years in college working part time at meaningless jobs while building up massive college loan debts that will basically reduce their income by 20 percent for years to come. This is why we make more than you do. We deserve it.

Us regular citizens also went to college, racked up student loan debt & worked shit jobs. We just had the dignity not to screw our fellow citizens using affirmative action, nepotism & corruption worming into a government job.

For over 10 years I was a contractor spending most of my time inside various government agencies & office's, so I know exactly how slow, lazy & stupid you people are. You government employees don't deserve your pay or golden retirements.

 

[daveman]

Government jobs have little to do with wise choices. They have to do with affirmative action, nepotism & corruption. Hundreds of well qualified people apply for these jobs but the employees are not chosen for their performance or qualifications.

Government employees should be ashamed about stealing so much money from citizens making half as much.

BTW how your buddy Blago doing?

Anyone who thinks teachers are bankrupting the country is clearly jealous that they didn't or couldn't become one as well. The truth is, you shouldn't be jealous, because I am a teacher and wish I wasn't. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

This thread seems to be about college professors. They are making what the market will bear, so I don't see how any capitalist can cry over this. We have the greatest universities in the world, which I am proud of, so be careful on who you try to squeeze for the deficit.

If you made the choice to become a teacher it wasn't an easy lucrative road. While non college bound people are making money and building their career from the ground up, College bound people spend 5 to 10 years in college working part time at meaningless jobs while building up massive college loan debts that will basically reduce their income by 20 percent for years to come. This is why we make more than you do. We deserve it.

Us regular citizens also went to college, racked up student loan debt & worked shit jobs. We just had the dignity not to screw our fellow citizens using affirmative action, nepotism & corruption worming into a government job.

For over 10 years I was a contractor spending most of my time inside various government agencies & office's, so I know exactly how slow, lazy & stupid you people are. You government employees don't deserve your pay or golden retirements.

That's quite a blanket statement there. And it's wrong. In the office I retired from, one of the hardest-working guys there was a DoD civilian.

 

[KissMy]

Anyone who thinks teachers are bankrupting the country is clearly jealous that they didn't or couldn't become one as well. The truth is, you shouldn't be jealous, because I am a teacher and wish I wasn't. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

This thread seems to be about college professors. They are making what the market will bear, so I don't see how any capitalist can cry over this. We have the greatest universities in the world, which I am proud of, so be careful on who you try to squeeze for the deficit.

If you made the choice to become a teacher it wasn't an easy lucrative road. While non college bound people are making money and building their career from the ground up, College bound people spend 5 to 10 years in college working part time at meaningless jobs while building up massive college loan debts that will basically reduce their income by 20 percent for years to come. This is why we make more than you do. We deserve it.

If government employees were underpaid then there would not be such a huge demand for cushy government jobs.

WSJ: We've Become a Nation of Takers, Not Makers

If you want to understand better why so many states—from New York to Wisconsin to California—are teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, consider this depressing statistic: Today in America there are nearly twice as many people working for the government (22.5 million) than in all of manufacturing (11.5 million). This is an almost exact reversal of the situation in 1960, when there were 15 million workers in manufacturing and 8.7 million collecting a paycheck from the government.

It gets worse. More Americans work for the government than work in construction, farming, fishing, forestry, manufacturing, mining and utilities combined. We have moved decisively from a nation of makers to a nation of takers. Nearly half of the $2.2 trillion cost of state and local governments is the $1 trillion-a-year tab for pay and benefits of state and local employees. Is it any wonder that so many states and cities cannot pay their bills?...

Don't expect a reversal of this trend anytime soon. "Surveys of college graduates are finding that more and more of our top minds want to work for the government"...

The employment trends described here are explained in part by hugely beneficial productivity improvements in such traditional industries as farming, manufacturing, financial services and telecommunications. These produce far more output per worker than in the past. The typical farmer, for example, is today at least three times more productive than in 1950.

Where are the productivity gains in government? Consider a core function of state and local governments: schools. Over the period 1970-2005, school spending per pupil, adjusted for inflation, doubled, while standardized achievement test scores were flat. Over roughly that same time period, public-school employment doubled per student, according to a study by researchers at the University of Washington. That is what economists call negative productivity.

But education is an industry where we measure performance backwards: We gauge school performance not by outputs, but by inputs. If quality falls, we say we didn't pay teachers enough or we need smaller class sizes or newer schools. If education had undergone the same productivity revolution that manufacturing has, we would have half as many educators, smaller school budgets, and higher graduation rates and test scores.

The same is true of almost all other government services. Mass transit spends more and more every year and yet a much smaller share of Americans use trains and buses today than in past decades. One way that private companies spur productivity is by firing underperforming employees and rewarding excellence. In government employment, tenure for teachers and near lifetime employment for other civil servants shields workers from this basic system of reward and punishment. It is a system that breeds mediocrity, which is what we've gotten.

Most reasonable steps to restrain public-sector employment costs are smothered by the unions. Study after study has shown that states and cities could shave 20% to 40% off the cost of many services—fire fighting, public transportation, garbage collection, administrative functions, even prison operations—through competitive contracting to private providers. But unions have blocked many of those efforts. Public employees maintain that they are underpaid relative to equally qualified private-sector workers, yet they are deathly afraid of competitive bidding for government services.

 

[linyatta]

Us regular citizens also went to college, racked up student loan debt & worked shit jobs. We just had the dignity not to screw our fellow citizens using affirmative action, nepotism & corruption worming into a government job.

For over 10 years I was a contractor spending most of my time inside various government agencies & office's, so I know exactly how slow, lazy & stupid you people are. You government employees don't deserve your pay or golden retirements.

Look, I guess we're all going to make comments about what we've seen in our life. I've worked in the public and private sector and people are people. When you run a business you understand their are a certain percentage of people that have certain common traits. psychologists can help you understand your anger towards lazy workers.

If getting rid of government workers is your solution, then ok, let's do it. Where do you want to start? with Teachers?

I make 60K in my 8th year and need either a second job or a roomate to make a 2k mortgage, utilities, insurance and save for retirement. I cannot retire until I'm over 60 with over 20 years in. Why is that sooooo great?

I suppose the real problem is that you are jealous of what you perceive that I have. But your perception is just that. Perhaps you are angry that you're country puts a priority on education and that you don't feel comfortable with people of other races having the same opportunities as your race.

You should open your eyes to how you and our country has benefited from affirmative action and public education.

 

[blastoff]

All that pay and benefits to professors, administrators, presidents, etc. and how in the hell do you expect the school to hire a real top notch football coach?

 

[California Girl]

and that idiocy has what to do with this? Do I really need to explain the difference, or are you just off your meds?

No..I'll explain the difference for you..because obviously you can't get your mind around it. With the guy in the article's piddling little salary it would take SEVERAL LIFETIMES to make what Robert Fuld made in one year. And Fuld was part of the problem. The bailout alone could fund most of the Social Programs you guys fucking cry about on a daily basis for many years. And Fuld...and those like him don't come by his tremendous salary just by working for the private sector. They come by it through all sorts of subsidies and tax breaks from the government. They also come by it because of liquidity provided by the government in the form of public servant accounts in PRIVATE FINANCIAL FIRMS. SO..in ADDITION to the bailout they are getting all sorts of government cash. That works out to be nearly a trillion dollars a year..that private firms get.

It's infuriating you guys continue to bray on about "socialism" for the poor..yet almost every time..fight like tigers for socialism for the rich.

you suffer a myopia that is near fatal, the difference is, see if you can get your mind around this; we are speaking of public funds, rendered via the taxpayer imparted to this proff. from a state/county/municpal fisc that is drowning in debt.

Fuld was a private money fund and assets mgr. PRIVATE, if the gov. bailed them out ( lehman went down in flames btw) thats another story entirely, I was not for that bailout and neither am I for the overgenerous retirement benefits accrued via the public fisc.

Fuld was paid via private funds, stock etc etc , he was on board that could have thrown him out or stock holders via proxy-...thats the difference...take your strawman elsewhere please.

It's infuriating you guys continue to bray on about "socialism" for the poor..yet almost every time..fight like tigers for socialism for the rich.

no, whats infuriating is you inability to focus on the topic.

When you can't argue on the point, deflect and make it about 'rich people'. SOP from the intellectually challenged left.