Farmers 'panic-stricken' by shortage of migrant workers

[Supposn]

Will Roger's solution to German U-boat attacks.

Among a published collection of Will Roger's newspaper columns, this one I've not forgotten.
He suggested that we bring the Atlantic Ocean up to boiling temperature. Our Great Britain allies superior naval fleets will sink the Kaiser's U-Bootes as they're forced to surface.

His response to technical difficulties was the reply, “I deal with policy; I leave other details to others”.

Correll, if sufficient competent pickers willing to work to do stoop labor for competitive USA wages could be assembled, the cost of picking the USA crops would be unjustified. It's cheaper to import the food. It's still cheaper to process the crops locally. So we don't need USA crops and USA crop processing facilities.

OK, we solved that problem but the farmland owners are dissatisfied, and there will be a great many ghost towns where there are now agricultural and ranching communities. That may be satisfactory to you but those people wouldn't be pleased, their governors and legislators don't like to hear complaints and those complaints rise to federal levels.

We could compromise; fresh USA grown or raised food will only be available to the wealthy; others can eat cheaper foreign processed foods. It seems we're going in that direction.

You suggest temporary imported labor? But those farms, ranches, food processors, service industries, and construction sites have labor needs over the entire year. Any idea of the costs to find and expel all those illegals that have and will continue to mingle then settle throughout our populations? You advocate we retrieve those that choose to escape from bondage and strip them of their possessions? They reply, “What possessions? We now have little or nothing to lose!” as they flee to our cities.

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[OldLady]

MartyBegan, I suppose it's too late to offer higher wages and save this year's crop. Even when you'll offer it, there's no USA labor market with sufficient experienced pickers to recruit from. That's due to years of legally importing and/or illegally directly hiring low wage foreign crop pickers.

We can't have secure borders and satisfy farmland owners by using cheaper labor. We don't have manufacturing jobs due to cheaper labor produced imports, and we won't have USA crop pickers due to cheaper labor produced food imports. Or due to unsecured borders, or due to permitting farmland owners to import temporary labor that will be a back-door entry for many of those laborers to settle within the USA.

Respectfully, Supposn

I have a feeling if the supply of cheap labor from illegals was cut off the growers would find a way. We keep forgetting that stress is the creator of innovation.

Farmers took advantage of ILLEGAL labor for years and reaped a profit. If those days are over, good. The sad thing is that these farmers and other employers are all openly whining that they've lost their slave labor; it's obvious if those illegals came back, they'd hire them in a minute and apparently the government is too busy separating parents from children at the border to do anything about these ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS.

I wouldn't heap too much angst on the farmers, considering that even if the migrants lives sucked on those farms, it is probably better than then shitty life they left.

if it wasn't, they wouldn't be coming here over and over and over again.

Plus the countries that are shitholes to begin with LOVE when their people leave and work in the US. It removes the burden from them, and a lot of the people send money back home.

There are plenty of bad actors here, but no one really evil.

I'm not a hater, but it beats me how so many people can screech about the nasty illegals that are here without giving a thought to the fact that they are here working. That means they are being hired illegally by employers. If anyone really wanted to fix the illegal immigration problem, take away their opportunity to work. That would solve the problem pretty much overnight.
I never said anyone was evil. But employers, including farmers, who hire illegal immigrants, are fueling the problem. We could save $$ on the wall.

The second you do that you will hear the pro-immigration people screeching about taking away these people's dreams and hopes. It's why you never really hear the pro-illegal immigrant people bitch about the businesses (even though a majority of them lean socialist, or even commie).

So what? Since when has a little screeching ever stopped anti-immigration folks before? Some even live for it.

 

[Correll]

Will Roger's solution to German U-boat attacks.

Among a published collection of Will Roger's newspaper columns, this one I've not forgotten.
He suggested that we bring the Atlantic Ocean up to boiling temperature. Our Great Britain allies superior naval fleets will sink the Kaiser's U-Bootes as they're forced to surface.

His response to technical difficulties was the reply, “I deal with policy; I leave other details to others”.

Correll, if sufficient competent pickers willing to work to do stoop labor for competitive USA wages could be assembled, the cost of picking the USA crops would be unjustified.

I



It's cheaper to import the food. It's still cheaper to process the crops locally. So we don't need USA crops and USA crop processing facilities.

OK, we solved that problem but the farmland owners are dissatisfied, and there will be a great many ghost towns where there are now agricultural and ranching communities. That may be satisfactory to you but those people wouldn't be pleased, their governors and legislators don't like to hear complaints and those complaints rise to federal levels.

We could compromise; fresh USA grown or raised food will only be available to the wealthy; others can eat cheaper foreign processed foods. It seems we're going in that direction.

You suggest temporary imported labor? But those farms, ranches, food processors, service industries, and construction sites have labor needs over the entire year. Any idea of the costs to find and expel all those illegals that have and will continue to mingle then settle throughout our populations? You advocate we retrieve those that choose to escape from bondage and strip them of their possessions? They reply, “What possessions? We now have little or nothing to lose!” as they flee to our cities.

Respectfully, Supposn[/QUOTE]

 

[martybegan]

I have a feeling if the supply of cheap labor from illegals was cut off the growers would find a way. We keep forgetting that stress is the creator of innovation.

Farmers took advantage of ILLEGAL labor for years and reaped a profit. If those days are over, good. The sad thing is that these farmers and other employers are all openly whining that they've lost their slave labor; it's obvious if those illegals came back, they'd hire them in a minute and apparently the government is too busy separating parents from children at the border to do anything about these ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS.

I wouldn't heap too much angst on the farmers, considering that even if the migrants lives sucked on those farms, it is probably better than then shitty life they left.

if it wasn't, they wouldn't be coming here over and over and over again.

Plus the countries that are shitholes to begin with LOVE when their people leave and work in the US. It removes the burden from them, and a lot of the people send money back home.

There are plenty of bad actors here, but no one really evil.

I'm not a hater, but it beats me how so many people can screech about the nasty illegals that are here without giving a thought to the fact that they are here working. That means they are being hired illegally by employers. If anyone really wanted to fix the illegal immigration problem, take away their opportunity to work. That would solve the problem pretty much overnight.
I never said anyone was evil. But employers, including farmers, who hire illegal immigrants, are fueling the problem. We could save $$ on the wall.

The second you do that you will hear the pro-immigration people screeching about taking away these people's dreams and hopes. It's why you never really hear the pro-illegal immigrant people bitch about the businesses (even though a majority of them lean socialist, or even commie).

So what? Since when has a little screeching ever stopped anti-immigration folks before? Some even live for it.

It's the lack of screeching in the direction of "capitalists" i find interesting.

 

[rightwinger]

That's awful!
After we boot the illegal aliens, maybe we can start a temporary farm worker program?
Work, earn, return home.

Why not do it right now

Issue temporary work visas. If you return home, you qualify for one next year

 

[martybegan]

That's awful!
After we boot the illegal aliens, maybe we can start a temporary farm worker program?
Work, earn, return home.

Why not do it right now

Issue temporary work visas. If you return home, you qualify for one next year

The "free Immigration" people wouldn't stand for it.

As an example:

Close to Slavery: Guestworker Programs in the United States

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That's awful!
After we boot the illegal aliens, maybe we can start a temporary farm worker program?
Work, earn, return home.

Why not do it right now

Issue temporary work visas. If you return home, you qualify for one next year

I agree, we should boot the illegals now.

If you return home, you qualify for one next year

And if you don't you can never return.

 

[evenflow1969]

That's awful!
After we boot the illegal aliens, maybe we can start a temporary farm worker program?
Work, earn, return home.

Cherry picking is not that hard of work. I pickeda m illion of them as a kid. It was the one thing we harvested that I did not care for. The fact hat I did not eat them made picking them not much fun but I did not view it as hard work. Pay a decent wage andI do not see why americans would not pick them.