"Far Right" can't win for GOP? ...BS!

[Skylar]

Worse, I caught you lying. You claimed that every poll ever taken shows that most people were conservative.

The poll you submitted shows more conservatives than anything else. Most people ARE conservative.

The poll shows that 58% of folks aren't conservative. And only 38% are.

38% isn't 'most people'. 58% is.

I like how you blithely claim moderates lumped in with liberals.

They're most definitely lumpable in one regard: Neither are conservatives.

Which is the only point I'm making with those numbers.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The GOP should just run Cruz/Palin or Palin/Cruz and let's get past this.

Hillary is neck deep in controversy and still leads all Republicans in the polls.

Shouldn't that say something?

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Yeah, it says it's really early in the process, there's a wide field of Republican candidates, and she has more name recognition right now than any of them.

 

[Boss]

They're most definitely lumpable in one regard: Neither are conservatives.

Which is the only point I'm making with those numbers.

Where is it indicated anywhere in your data that no moderates are conservative? Or, that there are no liberal conservatives like Joe Lieberman, Zell Miller and Bill Clinton?

Your poll shows that even when you consider conservatism as an ideology (which it's not), more people identify as conservative than anything else. And when you ask moderates a few questions you find they are mostly conservative as well.

You're just really diligent at repeating your lies.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Conservatism is an ideology, and Boss is merely a far right reactionary figure of it with small numbers and less influence. He does not represent the entire right of the spectrum in any sensible or quantifiable way.

 

[thanatos144]

Conservatism is an ideology, and Boss is merely a far right reactionary figure of it with small numbers and less influence. He does not represent the entire right of the spectrum in any sensible or quantifiable way.

Who listens to this democrat liar?

 

[Boss]

Conservatism is an ideology, and Boss is merely a far right reactionary figure of it with small numbers and less influence. He does not represent the entire right of the spectrum in any sensible or quantifiable way.

I never claimed I represent the entire right of the spectrum. You keep tossing out this word "reactionary" but a reactionary is someone who opposes political or social liberalization or reform. I have no problem with social liberalization and reform if they are done through the democratic process and not forced on us by courts and rogue legislation.

Conservative philosophy is not "far right" and you've still not delineated the difference between a person who is "far right" and just a plain conservative. For all intents and purposes, "far right" simply means "a conservative."

Conservatism is an ideology

Jake, that doesn't stand as a valid argument. It's your opinion and you are free to repeat it as much as you like but you haven't made your case. If Conservatism was an ideology, you could explain why a libertarian and social conservative have entirely different ideological views. Instead, you ignore that point and continue to repeat your lies.

What has confused you is, some people are conservative and also have strong ideological views. I've not claimed a Conservative couldn't also be an ideologue. This has nothing to do with the Conservative philosophy.

Conservative philosophy is a pragmatic approach to problem solving. It relies on our wisdom and knowledge from past experience and a common sense judgement with regard to reasonable solutions. Conservatives do not have an ideological agenda as conservatives.

True Conservatives welcome all ideas to the table. While they are going to likely oppose radical change of any kind, they don't have a problem with sensible and reasonable ideas for resolving things. They are not tied to an ideological agenda or determined to push through such an agenda against the will of the people. That's what Liberals do.

 

[Skylar]

They're most definitely lumpable in one regard: Neither are conservatives.

Which is the only point I'm making with those numbers.

Where is it indicated anywhere in your data that no moderates are conservative?

Easy. When asked if they are a moderate, conservative or liberal 58% said they were either liberal or moderate. Not conservative.

Why would I ignore them on their own political leanings and instead believe you pretending to speak for them?

Remember, and this point is fundamental: You don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. While each person polled is the nation's leading expert on their own political leanings.

I know that you believe whatever bullshit you imagine is irrefutable truth. But to the rest of us, its just gibberish.

 

[Skylar]

Conservatism is an ideology, and Boss is merely a far right reactionary figure of it with small numbers and less influence. He does not represent the entire right of the spectrum in any sensible or quantifiable way.

I never claimed I represent the entire right of the spectrum. You keep tossing out this word "reactionary" but a reactionary is someone who opposes political or social liberalization or reform. I have no problem with social liberalization and reform if they are done through the democratic process and not forced on us by courts and rogue legislation.

Conservative philosophy is not "far right" and you've still not delineated the difference between a person who is "far right" and just a plain conservative. For all intents and purposes, "far right" simply means "a conservative."

Conservatism is an ideology

Says you. You're making up your own definitions, elaborating on distinctions that you've invented, and then insisting that anyone who says they are a conservative, liberal or moderate must accept both.

Laughing....nope!

You said most people are conservative. You have nothing to back that up. And I've disproven the claim with overwhelming evidence, including 20 years of polling from both Gallup and Pew tthat demonstrates that the majority is not conservative. Nor was in any of the last 20 years..

And you still have nothing.

Try again.

 

[Boss]

Easy. When asked if they are a moderate, conservative or liberal 58% said they were either liberal or moderate. Not conservative.

Again, most conservatives, whenever posed a question comparing ideologies, will identify as moderate. Conservatism IS the moderate philosophy, Liberalism, Socialism and Marxism is the radical philosophy and extremist ideology.

Again, there are SOME ideologues who identify as Conservative. These are mostly social and libertarian conservatives and their ideologies are as different as night and day. The do represent a significant portion of the GOP voting bloc but they are not the stewards of the Conservative message and Conservative philosophy.

If Gallup called me today and asked, "Which ideology describes you best, conservative, moderate or liberal" my honest to God answer would be "moderate." I have a very Conservative philosophy but my ideology is moderate.

 

[Boss]

You said most people are conservative. You have nothing to back that up.

You can look at ANY POLL conducted by a reputable pollster in America for any time in American history and you will find more lean right than left. In modern history, we've only had one non-conservative president elected and that was Obama. All others ran and won as Conservatives.

What has happened recently, and by 'recent' I mean the last 20 years or so... Liberals have redefined Conservatism into a litany of ideological monsters opposed to their great liberal ideology. In the past 8 years, Conservatives have further been castigated as racists, homophobes, bigots and religious nut jobs. And we see that they really can't define what "far right" means in terms of difference, basically ALL Conservatives fit this mold.

It's a wonder Conservatives topped the Gallup poll on ideology. You'd think we'd be about 80% Liberal as great as the ideologues proclaim it to be. But no... Liberal ideologues trail everybody.

 

[edthecynic]

Liberalism, Socialism and Marxism is the radical philosophy and extremist ideology.

Only in the eyes of extreme far Right CON$ervative reactionary ideologues.

Types of Liberalism

There are two major currents of thought within Liberalism, Classical Liberalism and Social Liberalism:

• Classical Liberalism holds that the only real freedom is freedom from coercion, and that state intervention in the economy is a coercive power that restricts the economic freedom of individuals, and so should be avoided as far as possible. It favours laissez-faire economic policy (minimal economic intervention and taxation by the state beyond what is necessary to maintain individual liberty, peace, security and property rights), and opposes the welfare state (the provision of welfare services by the state, and the assumption by the state of primary responsibility for the welfare of its citizens).
• Social Liberalism argues that governments must take an active role in promoting the freedom of citizens, and that real freedom can only exist when citizens are healthy, educated and free from dire poverty. Social Liberals believe that this freedom can be ensured when governments guarantee the right to an education, health care and a living wage, in addition to other responsibilities such as laws against discrimination in housing and employment, laws against pollution of the environment, and the provision of welfare, all of which would be supported by a progressive taxation system.

As with many political philosophies, there are several forms and variations of Liberalism, including the following:

• Conservative Liberalism is a variant of Liberalism representing the right-wing of the Liberal movement, and combines liberal values and policies with conservative stances. Unlike Liberal Conservatives, however, who tend to be more committed to authority, tradition and established religion, Conservative Liberals are supporters of the separation betweenchurch and state. It also differs from Libertarianism in that it is far less radical in its economic program, and in its support for an active defense policy and military interventions.
• Economic Liberalism is the theory of economics in Classical Liberalism, developed during the Enlightenment, particularly by Adam Smith, which advocates minimal interference by government in the economy. Libertarianism, Neoliberalismand some schools of Conservatism, particularly Liberal Conservatism are often referred to as Economic Liberalism.
• Neoliberalism refers to a program of reducing trade barriers and internal market restrictions, while using government power to enforce opening of foreign markets. In some ways it is a modern attempt, championed by Conservatives like Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher since the 1970's, to revert to a more pure Classical Liberalism.
• American Liberalism is largely a combination of social liberalism, social progressivism, and mixed economy philosophy. It is distinguished from Classic Liberalism (see above) and Libertarianism, which also claim freedom as their primary goal, in its insistance upon the inclusion of positive rights (such as education, health care and other services and goods believed to be required for human development and self-actualization) and in a broader definition of equality.
• National Liberalism is a variant of Liberalism commonly found in several European countries in the 19th and 20th Century, which combines nationalism with policies mainly derived from Economic Liberalism (see above).
• Ordoliberalism is a mid-20th Century school of Liberalism, developed mainly in Germany, emphasizing the need for the state to ensure that the free market produces results close to its theoretical potential.
• Paleoliberalism is a term that has at least a few distinct, though largely ambigious, meanings, including extremeLiberalism, and very socialist or socially libertarian Liberalism, and opposed to Neoliberalism (see above).
• Cultural Liberalism is a liberal view of society that stresses the freedom of individuals from cultural norms.

 

[Kosh]

Just remember that the far left once saw Hilary as far right because she was not far left enough, now they plan on putting up for President and the far left drones are going to go vote for the far right Clinton.