Family Values

liberalogic

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Perhaps at the core of conservative beliefs is the family unit. I've heard numerous times that the key to fostering a "good" society all stems to family. Strong ties between parents and children and siblings teach kids the traditional values that are so vital to society. If we encourage family, then we will have a well-bred country in future generations.

I've looked at this issue a few ways. Is family a bad thing? I'd say no. But to me, the family is not the core of our society-- the individual is. That's why we're the land of opportunity-- every person can make of him/herself what he/she wants. In high school I was familiar with two or three kids from my school who were brought up in strong families. They were close with their parents, always respectful to them, and were warm people in general. The problem, though, was that when it came time to face the reality of school life-- bullying, drugs, fights, etc.; they had little understanding of how they should deal with these issues. They had been so sheltered that they could not face the real world head on.

Now, I come from a really screwed up family unit (hence the liberalism?) and I've done a lot of stupid, self-destructive shit in my life, but I've never feared the real world and I've always embraced it and accepted its challenges because I had to go through it when I was quite young. I guess you can say that through the fractured family unit that I had, I was hardened at a young age. Does that make me a better person than those who come from strong families? No, but I feel as though it allows me to grapple with reality with more ease than others.

The reason why I post this is to hopefully hear some views on how much we should value family in American society. Is it really as important a value as the conservatives would have you think? Or is it just something that leaves us aloof to adulthood?
 
The big debate is this: who's job is it to socialize the individuals of society? Where should people learn the rules of life? From mom and dad, or from elementary school teachers?
 
To elaborate, liberals want to remove the influence of the family from the socialization process, because they want to take it over themselves to promote their socialist agenda.
 
liberalogic said:
Perhaps at the core of conservative beliefs is the family unit. I've heard numerous times that the key to fostering a "good" society all stems to family. Strong ties between parents and children and siblings teach kids the traditional values that are so vital to society. If we encourage family, then we will have a well-bred country in future generations.

I've looked at this issue a few ways. Is family a bad thing? I'd say no. But to me, the family is not the core of our society-- the individual is. That's why we're the land of opportunity-- every person can make of him/herself what he/she wants. In high school I was familiar with two or three kids from my school who were brought up in strong families. They were close with their parents, always respectful to them, and were warm people in general. The problem, though, was that when it came time to face the reality of school life-- bullying, drugs, fights, etc.; they had little understanding of how they should deal with these issues. They had been so sheltered that they could not face the real world head on.

Now, I come from a really screwed up family unit (hence the liberalism?) and I've done a lot of stupid, self-destructive shit in my life, but I've never feared the real world and I've always embraced it and accepted its challenges because I had to go through it when I was quite young. I guess you can say that through the fractured family unit that I had, I was hardened at a young age. Does that make me a better person than those who come from strong families? No, but I feel as though it allows me to grapple with reality with more ease than others.

The reason why I post this is to hopefully hear some views on how much we should value family in American society. Is it really as important a value as the conservatives would have you think? Or is it just something that leaves us aloof to adulthood?

i will bet the people casuing: bullying, drugs, fights, etc.; did not have the close relationship with their parents, were never respectful to them, and were not warm people in general....so if they had a good family life they would not be tormenting those that have one.....

you own argumnet validates that a good family life turns out better people
 
A family teaches you that you are not the only person in the world--at least it's supposed to. Ever read anything about feral children ? You got this one nailed again RWA. :beer:
 
What do you think liberallogic? Is there any merit to what we're saying? OR are you just so dumbfounded at the paucity of sense in modern day anti family liberal orthodoxy?
 
rtwngAvngr said:
To elaborate, liberals want to remove the influence of the family from the socialization process, because they want to take it over themselves to promote their socialist agenda.
Exactly! I say... I went through childbirth, so I get to raise my kids! I've earned it!
 
manu1959 said:
i will bet the people casuing: bullying, drugs, fights, etc.; did not have the close relationship with their parents, were never respectful to them, and were not warm people in general....so if they had a good family life they would not be tormenting those that have one.....

you own argumnet validates that a good family life turns out better people
Good point.
 
mom4 said:
Exactly! I say... I went through childbirth, so I get to raise my kids! I've earned it!

True, what did your husband do to earn it though?
 
Avatar4321 said:
True, what did your husband do to earn it though?
Protected and provided for them and loved them all their lives. Not to mention HIS genetic right.
 
liberalogic said:
Perhaps at the core of conservative beliefs is the family unit. I've heard numerous times that the key to fostering a "good" society all stems to family. Strong ties between parents and children and siblings teach kids the traditional values that are so vital to society. If we encourage family, then we will have a well-bred country in future generations.

I've looked at this issue a few ways. Is family a bad thing? I'd say no. But to me, the family is not the core of our society-- the individual is. That's why we're the land of opportunity-- every person can make of him/herself what he/she wants. In high school I was familiar with two or three kids from my school who were brought up in strong families. They were close with their parents, always respectful to them, and were warm people in general. The problem, though, was that when it came time to face the reality of school life-- bullying, drugs, fights, etc.; they had little understanding of how they should deal with these issues. They had been so sheltered that they could not face the real world head on.

Now, I come from a really screwed up family unit (hence the liberalism?) and I've done a lot of stupid, self-destructive shit in my life, but I've never feared the real world and I've always embraced it and accepted its challenges because I had to go through it when I was quite young. I guess you can say that through the fractured family unit that I had, I was hardened at a young age. Does that make me a better person than those who come from strong families? No, but I feel as though it allows me to grapple with reality with more ease than others.

The reason why I post this is to hopefully hear some views on how much we should value family in American society. Is it really as important a value as the conservatives would have you think? Or is it just something that leaves us aloof to adulthood?

Three kids do not make a good sample and a close family unit doesn't mean over protection resulting in one's inability to cope. Plus, some famlies are very messed up, but close nonetheless - especially when you mess with one of them.
 
dilloduck said:
A family teaches you that you are not the only person in the world--at least it's supposed to. Ever read anything about feral children ? You got this one nailed again RWA. :beer:
Exactly. A newborn baby is the most selfish person in the world. They don't even know others exist. Living and interacting within a loving group is the only thing that will cure someone of this. The biological bond is necessary, because everyone needs love, although not everyone deserves love. Some people choose to continue in their selfishness, or have other faults or disabilities which make it highly unlikely that others would choose to love them of their own accord. Read C.S. Lewis' The Four Loves, the chapter on storge (Greek for "family love").

I know many families are screwed up. But look how this problem has increased exponentially since broken families have become more and more common.
 
rtwngAvngr said:
What do you think liberallogic? Is there any merit to what we're saying? OR are you just so dumbfounded at the paucity of sense in modern day anti family liberal orthodoxy?

I'm not anti-family, but at the same time I don't believe it to be as essential to the core of society as others do. I think a solid family life can be helpful, but at the same time I think that kids need to be exposed to "the real world" earlier in life instead of being sheltered from it. From MY experience (I'm not stating facts or anything here), the people who come from cohesive families are softer and less apt to deal with the complexity in life. I think that there is a balance between family life and independence that should be asserted at an early age. You need to learn to depend on yourself first and foremost.

And just for the record, this isn't "anti family liberal orthodoxy." This is just a genuine question I wanted to raise, so spare me the bias liberal bullshit.
 
liberalogic, I think you may be confusing "street smart" with "Values".
I understand what you're saying/asking, but....I think you're of track. Just the opinion of one that also came from a disfuctional family, and grew up the hard way.
 

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