Family net worth retreats to early 1990's levels

No.

Redistributing wealth does not lower all wealth. In fact, when correctly done, all wealth can go up.

But again, this was not caused by Obama, as you would know if you read.

wow!

Show me how redistributing wealth can cause all wealth to go up.

:laugh:

Simple.

Person A increases his wealth $1B a year. If we tax him, and slow down his growth to only $500M a year, we use the $500M in revenue to provide tax credits to families with kids, thus freeing up money for them to increase their wealth.

All wealth goes up.

Wow. That is some seriously fucked up thinking right there.
 
No.

Redistributing wealth does not lower all wealth. In fact, when correctly done, all wealth can go up.

But again, this was not caused by Obama, as you would know if you read.

wow!

Show me how redistributing wealth can cause all wealth to go up.

:laugh:

Simple.

Person A increases his wealth $1B a year. If we tax him, and slow down his growth to only $500M a year, we use the $500M in revenue to provide tax credits to families with kids, thus freeing up money for them to increase their wealth.

All wealth goes up.

By taking from Person A...
 
No.

Redistributing wealth does not lower all wealth. In fact, when correctly done, all wealth can go up.

But again, this was not caused by Obama, as you would know if you read.

wow!

Show me how redistributing wealth can cause all wealth to go up.

:laugh:

Simple.

Person A increases his wealth $1B a year. If we tax him, and slow down his growth to only $500M a year, we use the $500M in revenue to provide tax credits to families with kids, thus freeing up money for them to increase their wealth.

All wealth goes up.

Then why haven't the new tax credits to families with kids caused wealth to go up?
 
Sometimes I wish the president had the dictatorial power over the economy that some seem to think he has.
I understand the point you're making. But Obama did have the power to appoint a motivated and honest Attorney General and direct him to take aggressive action in investigating the Bush Administration and prosecuting every item of criminal activity by every one of those individuals and complicit legislators who could be convicted -- and there would be many.

That would have completely changed the atmosphere in Washington and the effect would have been sterilizing.

Prosecution is what is needed. Crooked officials exposed and imprisoned. We quietly hoped Obama would move in that direction --

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-- but this is what we got.
 
Which policies that Obama has enacted has caused this to happen? Specifically and how?
Frightening that you must ask that.
Ok.....
A projected $15 trillion deficit over the next ten years.
A lagging economy which is held back by uncertainty produced by Administration's policies.
Obamacare. New and higher taxes. The federal reserve's inability or unwillingness to stay out of the way of the economy. This proposal of another round of "quantitative easing" has the markets in limbo.
The Administration's unwillingness to allow the housing market to bottom out.
"The private sector is doing fine"...Obama's words.

In other words ... you can't name one Obama policy that led to this affect.

There are no other words. I named just some of the reasons above.
If you believe Obama's presidency has delivered economic successes, lots of jobs, an improving housing market, lower taxes, less government intrusion, etc, then I guess this story in the NY Times is just opinion and not reality.
Once again, an Obama sycophant such as yourself cannot accept responsibility.
Oh yes, anyone who voted for Obama IS responsible.
This is Obama's watch. This is the result of democrat control of both houses of Congress from 2006 thru 2011. Yes, 2011. Remember the 2010 Lame Duck session after the election?....Yeah.. That one.
To date Obaam STILL insists that MORE government debt will solve the economic woes. He actually believes we can tax ourselves into prosperity.
 
Sometimes I wish the president had the dictatorial power over the economy that some seem to think he has.
I understand the point you're making. But Obama did have the power to appoint a motivated and honest Attorney General and direct him to take aggressive action in investigating the Bush Administration and prosecuting every item of criminal activity by every one of those individuals and complicit legislators who could be convicted -- and there would be many.

That would have completely changed the atmosphere in Washington and the effect would have been sterilizing.

Prosecution is what is needed. Crooked officials exposed and imprisoned. We quietly hoped Obama would move in that direction --

r331987_1498356.jpg


-- but this is what we got.

What? And risk opening that door on the current administration when they leave office? And the next one? And the next one?

Never going to happen...
 
Actually his health care reform contributed mightily. He could have waited for recovery. He could have been personally involved instead of making it a bill of Pelosi and Reid. He didn't.

How? How did the Healthcare Law wipe out 2 decades of wealth growth in a year and a half?

A healthcare law that isn't even close to being fully implemented yet even now, nevermind in 2010.

We're already being taxed to pay for it.
That was the scheme. Implement it AFTER the 2012 election (2014) but charge the people for it as soon at it became law.
Business faced with uncertainty as to how the ACA will affect their bottom line, hiring has been stifled.
 
Which policies that Obama has enacted has caused this to happen? Specifically and how?

Correct: This is what Obama meant by change....:(
I am no Obama fan but let's not deny factual reality. This economic crisis was prepped by the Reagan Administration and the Bush Administration nearly put the finishing touches on it. I fault Obama for not taking more aggressive action to repair the damage but there is no question that the Republicans in Congress have done all they could to impede him and to sabotage everything they could in the way of repair.

Obama is no FDR but he is a vast improvement over the elitist, corporatist sonofabitch he succeeded. With another Republican in Office we would be doing a lot worse.

What America needs now is a very strong socialist agenda to reverse the efforts of the right-wing corporatocracy, to constrain the bankers, and to rid us of the Wall Street sharks. We need to stop locking up pot dealers and start prosecuting those white-collar criminals who have methodically undermined the American Middle Class and damaged our Nation. Obama failed to do these things but I'm quite sure McCain wouldn't have done them either, nor would Romney. The only presidential candidate whom I believe would have and could have done those things is Dennis Kucinich. But he is an angry, unattractive little man.

HUH? Bush was a big spending populist.

Angry unattractive little man....Winston Churchill was small in stature, a poor orator and not very photogenic.
I hardly see what appearance of a person has to do with anything.
As for the rest of your post..Rhetorical talking points.
 
No.

Redistributing wealth does not lower all wealth. In fact, when correctly done, all wealth can go up.

But again, this was not caused by Obama, as you would know if you read.

wow!

Show me how redistributing wealth can cause all wealth to go up.

:laugh:

Simple.

Person A increases his wealth $1B a year. If we tax him, and slow down his growth to only $500M a year, we use the $500M in revenue to provide tax credits to families with kids, thus freeing up money for them to increase their wealth.

All wealth goes up.

:eusa_eh:

How about we take the Whole $1B, and not tax anyone with kids.....just give it to them in the form of educational "loans" they never have to repay?

Wealth Goes Up.

Values Go Down.
 
wow!

Show me how redistributing wealth can cause all wealth to go up.

:laugh:

Simple.

Person A increases his wealth $1B a year. If we tax him, and slow down his growth to only $500M a year, we use the $500M in revenue to provide tax credits to families with kids, thus freeing up money for them to increase their wealth.

All wealth goes up.

By taking from Person A...

Correct.

You seem to suggest that if person A gets everything and his employees get nothing, that will be the best outcome. It isn't.
 
Simple.

Person A increases his wealth $1B a year. If we tax him, and slow down his growth to only $500M a year, we use the $500M in revenue to provide tax credits to families with kids, thus freeing up money for them to increase their wealth.

All wealth goes up.

By taking from Person A...

Correct.

You seem to suggest that if person A gets everything and his employees get nothing, that will be the best outcome. It isn't.

Nowhere did you suggest that Person A was an employer...

If Person A is an employer, his employees are receiveing a paycheck, probably medical insurance, and in many cases some sort of retirement plan. If said employees are not satisfied with this arrangement, they are free to move on.

On the other hand, if Person A is not an employer what would you suggest?

How does one justify hobbling the success of one person to give to another?
 
Isn't reducing the net worth of individuals right in line with thinking that redistribution of wealth is the goal. Look at how it's already worked. If you want individual net worth reduced to where it was in the 70s or 60s, reelect obama.

No.

Redistributing wealth does not lower all wealth. In fact, when correctly done, all wealth can go up.

But again, this was not caused by Obama, as you would know if you read.

wow!

Show me how redistributing wealth can cause all wealth to go up.

:laugh:

It's actually quite simple. The trick is not to overdo it. When you put more money in the hands of lower and middle income workers, which happen to be the bulk of the populace and the ones who actually purchase the bulk of goods and services, you expand the economy. Those at the top reap the benefits as their business increase in revenue and profit. It's win win for everyone. Of course, it is easily possible to take the scenario too far, as in the way of Marxism. That does not work as it just makes everyone poor.

The thing is that there would not have to be any redistribution of wealth if employers spread the wealth a bit themselves through better pay and benefits. Getting super wealthy at the expense of everyone else does not benefit anyone in the long run, yet greed seems to lead us down this path over and over again. It is one of the pitfalls of capitalism. That is not to say we should move away from capitalism, but we should be aware that sometimes constraints are necessary.
 
By taking from Person A...

Correct.

You seem to suggest that if person A gets everything and his employees get nothing, that will be the best outcome. It isn't.

Nowhere did you suggest that Person A was an employer...

If Person A is an employer, his employees are receiveing a paycheck, probably medical insurance, and in many cases some sort of retirement plan. If said employees are not satisfied with this arrangement, they are free to move on.

On the other hand, if Person A is not an employer what would you suggest?

How does one justify hobbling the success of one person to give to another?

There is no hobbling. How is increasing your wealth $500M in a year "hobbling"?

The more people with more wealth growth the better. You've done nothing to disprove that.
 
Isn't reducing the net worth of individuals right in line with thinking that redistribution of wealth is the goal. Look at how it's already worked. If you want individual net worth reduced to where it was in the 70s or 60s, reelect obama.

No.

Redistributing wealth does not lower all wealth. In fact, when correctly done, all wealth can go up.

But again, this was not caused by Obama, as you would know if you read.

Ok..How is the taking of wealth from one and giving it to another create more wealth? This oughta be good.
Oh, and you can skip the nonsense about the wealthy who "hoard" their money and thus deserve to lose some of it at the hands of government. And you can also forget the nonsense that suggests if the wealthy were robbed by government and the government turned around and gave all of your politically correct desirables a check that it would stimulate the economy.
Wealth is created through investment in new and existing business. Creation of jobs is the result. Increasing income from work is what creates wealth. Not moving the chess pieces around the board.
 
Isn't reducing the net worth of individuals right in line with thinking that redistribution of wealth is the goal. Look at how it's already worked. If you want individual net worth reduced to where it was in the 70s or 60s, reelect obama.

No.

Redistributing wealth does not lower all wealth. In fact, when correctly done, all wealth can go up.

But again, this was not caused by Obama, as you would know if you read.

Ok..How is the taking of wealth from one and giving it to another create more wealth? This oughta be good.
Oh, and you can skip the nonsense about the wealthy who "hoard" their money and thus deserve to lose some of it at the hands of government. And you can also forget the nonsense that suggests if the wealthy were robbed by government and the government turned around and gave all of your politically correct desirables a check that it would stimulate the economy.
Wealth is created through investment in new and existing business. Creation of jobs is the result. Increasing income from work is what creates wealth. Not moving the chess pieces around the board.

If you don't believe in Economics, there's no point discussing Economics with you.
 

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