CDZ Fake News/Media Syndrome

Discussion in 'Clean Debate Zone' started by Foxfyre, Dec 9, 2017.

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How serious is fake/biased/erroneous news in modern times?

  1. 1. Not serious at all

  2. 2. Somewhat serious

  3. 3. Serious

  4. 4. Extremely serious.

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  1. Syriusly
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    Sorry, but I stand by the article. Fox is doing what it stands for- totally biased reporting in favor of Trump and the GOP.

    I don't doubt that the facts did emerge within the entire Fox broadcast, but that their coverage was biased to the point of dishonesty.
     
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    You'll have to prove that. Because the article you posted is biased to the point of blatantly dishonesty to the point of being totally false.
     
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    I really don't have to prove anything. I posted an article that was at least as 'honest' as the Daily Caller article you cited originally.

    We don't have to agree.
     
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    Just a quick note that after spending long, detailed, segments adding up to hours on the Russian collusion thing and insisting that the Trump campaign was absolutely guilty, the networks spent less than a minute reporting the House Intelligence Committee's findings of no Russian collusion re either the Trump or Hillary campaigns last night. That is NOT fair and balanced reporting.
     
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    The problem with fake news is not how badly they go after Republicans. It's that they give a complete pass to Democrats. All I want is them to go after Democrats like they do Republicans.

    But they actually lie to help Democrats. And they're so hysterical. Blamery is in India trashing Americans as racist pigs who subjugate our women. That is not good for America or the rest of humanity.

    And it's constant and pushed by the media with endless lies like that Trump called Mexicans racists and murderers.

    That is all the majority of Americans hear as well, and yes, it is a crisis that level of dishonesty is not the exception but the rule
     
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    Dang..this thread still alive, eh? Not much to add..I said my say..and after rereading it..see no reason to modify my stance.

    But...your take of the House committee seems a bit ingenuous, to me. If I were a reporter tasked with this story..my take would be all about how the House's opinion on this matter was irrelevant..because they had sacrificed their integrity on the alter of partisan politics. I'm on record as stating that I do not believe that Trump colluded with the Russians, per se. His campaign might have--it remains to be seen. Certainly, Trump JR. would have colluded, had he been given the chance. The accounts of his meeting with the Russian attorney bear that out.

    But the House Intel committee gave up any relevance in this when they froze out their Democratic members..when they released a report without the consent of their Democratic members and when they tried to hold-up the Democratic response to said report ...and when the Chairman was obviously reporting to Trump.

    As a reporter, that would be my story..regardless of my political leanings. That the House cleared Trump amounts to a ***yawn***--as it was a forgone conclusion, in most people's minds. Yes, the story was treated in an overly dismissive manner--but the House Intel committee did invite such treatment.

    I do agree that the disparity in time spent on various segments of the story was extreme--but I doubt you would have liked equal time any better. I also agree with you that conclusions should be the province of the reader..and not the reporter--with the exception of Op/Ed pieces.
     
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    Honestly, I don't know how anyone watches mass media news. When I ask people, they always say, "Well, you've got to stay informed." But this perilously consolidated propaganda machine can only be considered "information" in the broadest possible sense (e.g. "Watch Me (Whip/Nae Nae" is also information, in that your eyes and ears are perceiving existent phenomena).

    With just a handful of mega-corps owning all the mass media outlets in the nation, it's prudent to suspect that wealthy and powerful corporate owners may have reciprocal relationships with politicians; and that purity of information we receive via those outlets may be jeopardized. At the very least, we know that they can only report a fraction of the information available each day, and so some system of prioritization must exist, and will necessarily be subjective. And as a matter of common sense, we can all clearly see that news programs have agendas.

    One mitigating factor that would help limit the intellectual damage resulting from the above scenario is to keep our thinking rooted in core principles. Philosophy (all but taboo in popular culture) can always be relied upon to sort out wheat from chaff, and though often thought impractical, is actually an exercise in practicality itself, though on a root level. After all, what is more practical than fundamental truths from which all else springs?

    In this way, I find the news to be largely unnecessary; as the celebritization of political personalities does nothing to change the fact that the very validity of their authority has no rational basis. But this is a matter for another thread...
     
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    You might want to look in on my fake news thread that addresses that very thing.

    But in this thread I am not looking to place blame, point fingers, accuse, or excuse any side in the national debate. Certainly both sides believe they occupy the moral high ground and no amount of angry or critical rhetoric, certainly not that pointing at the other guys, is likely to change that.

    But both sides share a common goal which is to stop senseless killings like what happened at Parkland last month. My hope with this thread is to find any common ground/compromise that would allow a solution to that problem.
     
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    No people will be free for long without a free, uncontrolled, reasonably objective, reasonably given to honesty and integrity means of communication and receiving information. It is necessary. Which is why fake news created for purposes of political or ideological expediency is so evil and so contrary to all concept of liberty.
     
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    When did ANY network insist that the Trump campaign was absolutely guilty?

    If you can't show that- well of course then your post would not be 'fair and balanced' posting.
     

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