Fair Tax

[uscitizen]

I thought the spremems decided corps were individuals.
So shouldn't they be taxed the same as individuals?

 

[Oldandtired]

I've heard this talking point from many republicans and "conservatives" - but it's unfortunately not true. Everyone pays taxes - payroll taxes, sales taxes, etc etc. The people you're talking about make too little money, and therefore have no income tax liability. Do you really think it's wrong that someone who's raising a family on 20,000 a year has no income tax liability?

I think that it is irresponsible in the first place or someone to have 4 children without a job making more than 20,000/year. Don't have the kids if you can't afford it.
I also think it irresponsible to not seek a job making more money than that when you have a family of 4.

Easy to say, isn't it? Wlak in someone else's mocassins and come back with a more pragmatic, less dogmatic idea.

Sure you think it's irresponsible. And, from the perspective of the casual observer such a deduction could be drawn. But if you live someplace where the major employer shuts down and moves to say Singapore, jobs in that community become hardewr to find. then, you might say move away and seek your fortune elsewhere. Fine. Come buy my house so I can have a fresh start someplace where housing prioces aren't so depressed due to a glutted housing market. There are other folks in the neighborhood wanting to pull up stakes and are stuck similarly because they would have to abandon their largest investment.

Flippant comments like yours sure salve your soul. But the reality bites.

You see Nosmo....the scenario you describe is EXACTLY where Americans should rise to the occassion and help their fellow Americans.

Sadly after years of entitlements to those that do not deserve them, but simply expect them, it is getting old...and abused.

Lookk what we, the people (not the governemnt) did gor Haiti....for the tsunami victims....

We are a giving people....but when the government makes it mandatory for us to give...even to those that are irresponsible.....we sort of say "enough already"...

Your scenario is valid. In a country with no "entitlement" programs, I doubt taxpayer funds to help you out would be met with opposition.

Im sorry....but I am sick and tired of seeing those that do not work out of desire not to work capitalize on my hard work. It is getting old.

 

[Charles Stucker]

I believe that every American should be paying the same amount of tax as anybody else. Makes no difference if you are the poorest man or the richest man, the taxes should be the same. Everybody, regardless of who they are should be paying income taxes. I've heard that approximately 50% of all Americans pay no taxes at all. I think that is wrong. If you make a dollar it should be taxed just the same as the man who makes a million dollars - no difference. It makes absolutely no sense for people to not pay the same amount of taxes as their fellow Americans. We are all in this together - not just the rich.

Oh please. How in the world could we afford the invaiosn and subsequent occupation of Iraq, with an idea like this?

I am sure in his little imaginary Republican fantasy world ruled by King Limbaugh a tax structure where the majority of the tax burden was on the shoulders on the poor is a perfectly sustainable system...

Oh you mean like Socialist Security and Medifraud taxes?
The ones which fall hardest on the low income minimum wage workers?

 

[Nosmo King]

I think that it is irresponsible in the first place or someone to have 4 children without a job making more than 20,000/year. Don't have the kids if you can't afford it.
I also think it irresponsible to not seek a job making more money than that when you have a family of 4.

Easy to say, isn't it? Wlak in someone else's mocassins and come back with a more pragmatic, less dogmatic idea.

Sure you think it's irresponsible. And, from the perspective of the casual observer such a deduction could be drawn. But if you live someplace where the major employer shuts down and moves to say Singapore, jobs in that community become hardewr to find. then, you might say move away and seek your fortune elsewhere. Fine. Come buy my house so I can have a fresh start someplace where housing prioces aren't so depressed due to a glutted housing market. There are other folks in the neighborhood wanting to pull up stakes and are stuck similarly because they would have to abandon their largest investment.

Flippant comments like yours sure salve your soul. But the reality bites.

You see Nosmo....the scenario you describe is EXACTLY where Americans should rise to the occassion and help their fellow Americans.

Sadly after years of entitlements to those that do not deserve them, but simply expect them, it is getting old...and abused.

Lookk what we, the people (not the governemnt) did gor Haiti....for the tsunami victims....

We are a giving people....but when the government makes it mandatory for us to give...even to those that are irresponsible.....we sort of say "enough already"...

Your scenario is valid. In a country with no "entitlement" programs, I doubt taxpayer funds to help you out would be met with opposition.

Im sorry....but I am sick and tired of seeing those that do not work out of desire not to work capitalize on my hard work. It is getting old.

That's the real point, isn't it? Those who do not work out of desire. Meanwhile, those who want to work but cannot get flushed down the same pipe, so far as the Conservatives are concerned. Funny how a few abusers sully the system, isn't it? Kind of the same way a 'devout Christian' commits murder to save the unborn or some NRA Life Member snaps and blows away a fast food restaurant.

But then compassion from Conservatives comes forth like manna when that happens. But let a hard working family petition for some government largess, why the whole country has gone "Socialist!".

 

[Oldandtired]

Easy to say, isn't it? Wlak in someone else's mocassins and come back with a more pragmatic, less dogmatic idea.

Sure you think it's irresponsible. And, from the perspective of the casual observer such a deduction could be drawn. But if you live someplace where the major employer shuts down and moves to say Singapore, jobs in that community become hardewr to find. then, you might say move away and seek your fortune elsewhere. Fine. Come buy my house so I can have a fresh start someplace where housing prioces aren't so depressed due to a glutted housing market. There are other folks in the neighborhood wanting to pull up stakes and are stuck similarly because they would have to abandon their largest investment.

Flippant comments like yours sure salve your soul. But the reality bites.

You see Nosmo....the scenario you describe is EXACTLY where Americans should rise to the occassion and help their fellow Americans.

Sadly after years of entitlements to those that do not deserve them, but simply expect them, it is getting old...and abused.

Lookk what we, the people (not the governemnt) did gor Haiti....for the tsunami victims....

We are a giving people....but when the government makes it mandatory for us to give...even to those that are irresponsible.....we sort of say "enough already"...

Your scenario is valid. In a country with no "entitlement" programs, I doubt taxpayer funds to help you out would be met with opposition.

Im sorry....but I am sick and tired of seeing those that do not work out of desire not to work capitalize on my hard work. It is getting old.

That's the real point, isn't it? Those who do not work out of desire. Meanwhile, those who want to work but cannot get flushed down the same pipe, so far as the Conservatives are concerned. Funny how a few abusers sully the system, isn't it? Kind of the same way a 'devout Christian' commits murder to save the unborn or some NRA Life Member snaps and blows away a fast food restaurant.

But then compassion from Conservatives comes forth like manna when that happens. But let a hard working family petition for some government largess, why the whole country has gone "Socialist!".

I tried to explain to you how I, a conservative, sees the situation. I offered compassion and gave validity to your scenario...and it is very valid.

MOST of us conservatives would gladly help out in such a situation...and our history as a giuving people is evident of this.

But we have had enough of the entitlements. We have had enough of the berating...we have had enough of being called eveil and greedy.

WE are the ones tapped for the moeny to help out the less fortunate and then Obama goes out on the podium and calls us manipulators, and thieves and evil and greedy...and Biden implioes we are not patriotic...

And then folks like you say "thank you" to those like Pelosi and Obama.

I wonder if Obama went out and reminded all of you that we, the evil greedy rich unpatriotic conservatives were NOT evil rich greedty and unpatriotic...but instead the ones that will give lots to help the copuntry out as we feel it is our respopnsibility to do so......maybe there would be less opposition?

And by the way...I tried to be sympathetic and you group me in some group of horrible people.....and tell me that it is not fair to make jjudgement calls on people such as you based on the "few" that manipulate the entitlement system.

Yeah....few. Gimme a break.

 

[Nonelitist]

I've heard this talking point from many republicans and "conservatives" - but it's unfortunately not true. Everyone pays taxes - payroll taxes, sales taxes, etc etc. The people you're talking about make too little money, and therefore have no income tax liability. Do you really think it's wrong that someone who's raising a family on 20,000 a year has no income tax liability?

I think that it is irresponsible in the first place or someone to have 4 children without a job making more than 20,000/year. Don't have the kids if you can't afford it.
I also think it irresponsible to not seek a job making more money than that when you have a family of 4.

Easy to say, isn't it? Wlak in someone else's mocassins and come back with a more pragmatic, less dogmatic idea.

Sure you think it's irresponsible. And, from the perspective of the casual observer such a deduction could be drawn. But if you live someplace where the major employer shuts down and moves to say Singapore, jobs in that community become hardewr to find. then, you might say move away and seek your fortune elsewhere. Fine. Come buy my house so I can have a fresh start someplace where housing prioces aren't so depressed due to a glutted housing market. There are other folks in the neighborhood wanting to pull up stakes and are stuck similarly because they would have to abandon their largest investment.

Flippant comments like yours sure salve your soul. But the reality bites.

People have to take responsibility for their own situation. I have had some pretty serious economic hardships, but I took care of them myself. I made sure I didn't committ any crimes that would prevent me from getting employment and also made sure I didn't have any children. Wasn't that hard really.

 

[Oldandtired]

I think that it is irresponsible in the first place or someone to have 4 children without a job making more than 20,000/year. Don't have the kids if you can't afford it.
I also think it irresponsible to not seek a job making more money than that when you have a family of 4.

Easy to say, isn't it? Wlak in someone else's mocassins and come back with a more pragmatic, less dogmatic idea.

Sure you think it's irresponsible. And, from the perspective of the casual observer such a deduction could be drawn. But if you live someplace where the major employer shuts down and moves to say Singapore, jobs in that community become hardewr to find. then, you might say move away and seek your fortune elsewhere. Fine. Come buy my house so I can have a fresh start someplace where housing prioces aren't so depressed due to a glutted housing market. There are other folks in the neighborhood wanting to pull up stakes and are stuck similarly because they would have to abandon their largest investment.

Flippant comments like yours sure salve your soul. But the reality bites.

People have to take responsibility for their own situation. I have had some pretty serious economic hardships, but I took care of them myself. I made sure I didn't committ any crimes that would prevent me from getting employment and also made sure I didn't have any children. Wasn't that hard really.

Sometimes, things are going well and children are a blessing. Then, as one mentioned, the company skips town, the value of ones house plummets, and escape from the situation is impossible.

That is where Americans jump to help Americans.

Unfortunately, the government, for years, has opted to have Americans help the Americans it chooses they should help....and those that want to help can no longer help those they themseleves deem need the help.

And the viscious circle continues.

 

[Nosmo King]

I think that it is irresponsible in the first place or someone to have 4 children without a job making more than 20,000/year. Don't have the kids if you can't afford it.
I also think it irresponsible to not seek a job making more money than that when you have a family of 4.

Easy to say, isn't it? Wlak in someone else's mocassins and come back with a more pragmatic, less dogmatic idea.

Sure you think it's irresponsible. And, from the perspective of the casual observer such a deduction could be drawn. But if you live someplace where the major employer shuts down and moves to say Singapore, jobs in that community become hardewr to find. then, you might say move away and seek your fortune elsewhere. Fine. Come buy my house so I can have a fresh start someplace where housing prioces aren't so depressed due to a glutted housing market. There are other folks in the neighborhood wanting to pull up stakes and are stuck similarly because they would have to abandon their largest investment.

Flippant comments like yours sure salve your soul. But the reality bites.

People have to take responsibility for their own situation. I have had some pretty serious economic hardships, but I took care of them myself. I made sure I didn't committ any crimes that would prevent me from getting employment and also made sure I didn't have any children. Wasn't that hard really.

No one is advocating abusing the system. But, your claim of irresponsibility as far as how many children are in a family pre-supposes those children were conceived after the layoff. That's not always the case, is it?

Lots of families work very hard and try their damnedest to keep their heads above water. When the circumstances outside their control dictate help is needed, it is certainly the right thing to do in assuring such help happens. All the partisan shouting in the world never put a paycheck in a family's account or a meal on the table.

But it can rub salt in the wounds, can't it? Maybe that's what brings the most joy to Conservatives. Smug condescension.

 

[Nonelitist]

Easy to say, isn't it? Wlak in someone else's mocassins and come back with a more pragmatic, less dogmatic idea.

Sure you think it's irresponsible. And, from the perspective of the casual observer such a deduction could be drawn. But if you live someplace where the major employer shuts down and moves to say Singapore, jobs in that community become hardewr to find. then, you might say move away and seek your fortune elsewhere. Fine. Come buy my house so I can have a fresh start someplace where housing prioces aren't so depressed due to a glutted housing market. There are other folks in the neighborhood wanting to pull up stakes and are stuck similarly because they would have to abandon their largest investment.

Flippant comments like yours sure salve your soul. But the reality bites.

People have to take responsibility for their own situation. I have had some pretty serious economic hardships, but I took care of them myself. I made sure I didn't committ any crimes that would prevent me from getting employment and also made sure I didn't have any children. Wasn't that hard really.

Sometimes, things are going well and children are a blessing. Then, as one mentioned, the company skips town, the value of ones house plummets, and escape from the situation is impossible.

That is where Americans jump to help Americans.

Unfortunately, the government, for years, has opted to have Americans help the Americans it chooses they should help....and those that want to help can no longer help those they themseleves deem need the help.

And the viscious circle continues.

Yes, bad things happen to good and bad people, in all sorts of situations. And I am all for giving help to people that deserve it. People that wallow in poverty without any attempt to help their situation don't deserve my help any longer. There is a limit to the good nature of ones neighbors. I will help someone truly in need and truly trying to fix their issues.

 

[Nonelitist]

Easy to say, isn't it? Wlak in someone else's mocassins and come back with a more pragmatic, less dogmatic idea.

Sure you think it's irresponsible. And, from the perspective of the casual observer such a deduction could be drawn. But if you live someplace where the major employer shuts down and moves to say Singapore, jobs in that community become hardewr to find. then, you might say move away and seek your fortune elsewhere. Fine. Come buy my house so I can have a fresh start someplace where housing prioces aren't so depressed due to a glutted housing market. There are other folks in the neighborhood wanting to pull up stakes and are stuck similarly because they would have to abandon their largest investment.

Flippant comments like yours sure salve your soul. But the reality bites.

People have to take responsibility for their own situation. I have had some pretty serious economic hardships, but I took care of them myself. I made sure I didn't committ any crimes that would prevent me from getting employment and also made sure I didn't have any children. Wasn't that hard really.

No one is advocating abusing the system. But, your claim of irresponsibility as far as how many children are in a family pre-supposes those children were conceived after the layoff. That's not always the case, is it?

Lots of families work very hard and try their damnedest to keep their heads above water. When the circumstances outside their control dictate help is needed, it is certainly the right thing to do in assuring such help happens. All the partisan shouting in the world never put a paycheck in a family's account or a meal on the table.

But it can rub salt in the wounds, can't it? Maybe that's what brings the most joy to Conservatives. Smug condescension.

I am all for helping the people such as you described. I think we all know who the people are that people are not so willing to help... those that abuse the system... and there are millions of those.

 

[Oldandtired]

Easy to say, isn't it? Wlak in someone else's mocassins and come back with a more pragmatic, less dogmatic idea.

Sure you think it's irresponsible. And, from the perspective of the casual observer such a deduction could be drawn. But if you live someplace where the major employer shuts down and moves to say Singapore, jobs in that community become hardewr to find. then, you might say move away and seek your fortune elsewhere. Fine. Come buy my house so I can have a fresh start someplace where housing prioces aren't so depressed due to a glutted housing market. There are other folks in the neighborhood wanting to pull up stakes and are stuck similarly because they would have to abandon their largest investment.

Flippant comments like yours sure salve your soul. But the reality bites.

People have to take responsibility for their own situation. I have had some pretty serious economic hardships, but I took care of them myself. I made sure I didn't committ any crimes that would prevent me from getting employment and also made sure I didn't have any children. Wasn't that hard really.

No one is advocating abusing the system. But, your claim of irresponsibility as far as how many children are in a family pre-supposes those children were conceived after the layoff. That's not always the case, is it?

Lots of families work very hard and try their damnedest to keep their heads above water. When the circumstances outside their control dictate help is needed, it is certainly the right thing to do in assuring such help happens. All the partisan shouting in the world never put a paycheck in a family's account or a meal on the table.

But it can rub salt in the wounds, can't it? Maybe that's what brings the most joy to Conservatives. Smug condescension.

Just a word of advice....

Coupling all conservatives in the same grouping is no different than comparing your situation with that of some guy that found it best to party all night and collect welfare during the day.

There are as many selfish "non conservatives" as there are selfish conservatives....

This is not a conservative vs liberal issue.

This is a selfish vs selfless issue....and I suggest you start seeing it that way.

Biden gave 3K to charity last year....I personally gave over 5% of my income. I am a conservative, Biden is a liberal.

I am not a politician and I worked the kitchen on Thanksgiving........did Biden? Pelosi?

Sorry....you are making a grave error.

 

[Nosmo King]

People have to take responsibility for their own situation. I have had some pretty serious economic hardships, but I took care of them myself. I made sure I didn't committ any crimes that would prevent me from getting employment and also made sure I didn't have any children. Wasn't that hard really.

Sometimes, things are going well and children are a blessing. Then, as one mentioned, the company skips town, the value of ones house plummets, and escape from the situation is impossible.

That is where Americans jump to help Americans.

Unfortunately, the government, for years, has opted to have Americans help the Americans it chooses they should help....and those that want to help can no longer help those they themseleves deem need the help.

And the viscious circle continues.

Yes, bad things happen to good and bad people, in all sorts of situations. And I am all for giving help to people that deserve it. People that wallow in poverty without any attempt to help their situation don't deserve my help any longer. There is a limit to the good nature of ones neighbors. I will help someone truly in need and truly trying to fix their issues.

How? Could it be by paying your taxes and letting a small percentage of that tax debt go to help Americans trapped in circumstances not of their creation?

Or will you come to Youngstown Ohio, Monaca Pennsylvania, Weirton West Virginia, Rome New York, Dearborn Michigan and help Americans trapped by no jobs, falling housing prices and no real prospects?

Maybe, just maybe, the federal government has some programs in place for just such circumstances. Hell. Making life a little easier for these hard working American families is a wiser use of tax dollars than giving a defense contractor $700 to make a better toilet seat!

 

[Mr. Peepers]

People that wallow in poverty without any attempt to help their situation don't deserve my help any longer. There is a limit to the good nature of ones neighbors. I will help someone truly in need and truly trying to fix their issues.

You have no idea how vicious the cycle of poverty can be. I suggest you read this:

Nickel and dimed: on (not) getting ... - Google Books

 

[Oldandtired]

Sometimes, things are going well and children are a blessing. Then, as one mentioned, the company skips town, the value of ones house plummets, and escape from the situation is impossible.

That is where Americans jump to help Americans.

Unfortunately, the government, for years, has opted to have Americans help the Americans it chooses they should help....and those that want to help can no longer help those they themseleves deem need the help.

And the viscious circle continues.

Yes, bad things happen to good and bad people, in all sorts of situations. And I am all for giving help to people that deserve it. People that wallow in poverty without any attempt to help their situation don't deserve my help any longer. There is a limit to the good nature of ones neighbors. I will help someone truly in need and truly trying to fix their issues.

How? Could it be by paying your taxes and letting a small percentage of that tax debt go to help Americans trapped in circumstances not of their creation?

Or will you come to Youngstown Ohio, Monaca Pennsylvania, Weirton West Virginia, Rome New York, Dearborn Michigan and help Americans trapped by no jobs, falling housing prices and no real prospects?

Maybe, just maybe, the federal government has some programs in place for just such circumstances. Hell. Making life a little easier for these hard working American families is a wiser use of tax dollars than giving a defense contractor $700 to make a better toilet seat!

If the President said "we need to raise your taxes for one year to help those in need" I would not oppose.

But he opted to spend a trillion dollars to pay back special interest groups....9000 earmarks mind you.......and now he wants to raise our taxes so we can help out the less fortunate....and raise other taxes to help out other groups...and inhibit our corporate growth with cap and trade so he can cater to even MORE special interest groups.....and we, conservatives are the bad guys?

Why not look at Obama and ask why YOU and those that are struggling like you are taking a back seat to special interest groups?

Maybe that trillion should have been slated to relief?

Do you see how they have you hating those that can help you? Are you truly not seeing it?

 

[Nosmo King]

Yes, bad things happen to good and bad people, in all sorts of situations. And I am all for giving help to people that deserve it. People that wallow in poverty without any attempt to help their situation don't deserve my help any longer. There is a limit to the good nature of ones neighbors. I will help someone truly in need and truly trying to fix their issues.

How? Could it be by paying your taxes and letting a small percentage of that tax debt go to help Americans trapped in circumstances not of their creation?

Or will you come to Youngstown Ohio, Monaca Pennsylvania, Weirton West Virginia, Rome New York, Dearborn Michigan and help Americans trapped by no jobs, falling housing prices and no real prospects?

Maybe, just maybe, the federal government has some programs in place for just such circumstances. Hell. Making life a little easier for these hard working American families is a wiser use of tax dollars than giving a defense contractor $700 to make a better toilet seat!

If the President said "we need to raise your taxes for one year to help those in need" I would not oppose.

But he opted to spend a trillion dollars to pay back special interest groups....9000 earmarks mind you.......and now he wants to raise our taxes so we can help out the less fortunate....and raise other taxes to help out other groups...and inhibit our corporate growth with cap and trade so he can cater to even MORE special interest groups.....and we, conservatives are the bad guys?

Why not look at Obama and ask why YOU and those that are struggling like you are taking a back seat to special interest groups?

Maybe that trillion should have been slated to relief?

Do you see how they have you hating those that can help you? Are you truly not seeing it?

Are you telling me that corporations are here to help us? After they polluted our air, water and soil? After they negotiated contracts with us then moved their operations to Asia to save a buck? And, before moving, asked us to concede our benefits and wages?

After they gained special access to our legislators and administrators to get the deck stacked in their favor? After they globalized the market and paved the way for only the biggest and richest to compete?

Are you asking us to trust the hand that slapped us? Why?

 

[Charles Stucker]

People that wallow in poverty without any attempt to help their situation don't deserve my help any longer. There is a limit to the good nature of ones neighbors. I will help someone truly in need and truly trying to fix their issues.

You have no idea how vicious the cycle of poverty can be.

Do you mean the cycle forced upon minorities by the Welfare system put into place by LBJ? I've seen enough of the result of that system to know it has to be ended the same way it was originally; by letting the poor people have a chance to stand on their own feet or suffer the consequences of not; by creating economic opportunities for those who want them by reducing the cost of doing business in the US; by getting rid of the creeping socialism which has destroyed the prosperity produced by freedom.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

Do you mean the cycle forced upon minorities by the Welfare system put into place by LBJ?

No. I am referring to the poverty cycle of the working poor. See the book I suggested.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

by letting the poor people have a chance to stand on their own feet or suffer the consequences of not; by creating economic opportunities for those who want them by reducing the cost of doing business in the US; by getting rid of the creeping socialism which has destroyed the prosperity produced by freedom.

What a load of crap. Unless you reduce wages in this country to India or Chinese standards, take away all environmental controls and workplace safety controls, business will always cost more here. We are a DEVELOPED country. Is that what you want - to go down to third world except for 1% of the population that controls all the wealth? Really? I don't. The outsourcing corporations must decide to make a little less of a profit in order to preserve the fabric of this nation. I don't see that happening. This is why people think they are "evil" and "greedy".

Poor people already have to stand on their own two feet and take it. What was that statistic... the chances of landing a living wage job which is $8 something an hour in 2001 is 97 to 1. Odds are probably greater now that the poor are competing with MBA's who lost their jobs in finance... Taxes to support my fellow citizens and American infrastructure - yes. Taxes to support saber rattling and the MIC - hell effin' no! Pay back all the what is it now... trillions? wasted in Iraq and in the middle east in general, and then we'll talk, mmkay.

 

[Charles Stucker]

Do you mean the cycle forced upon minorities by the Welfare system put into place by LBJ?

No. I am referring to the poverty cycle of the working poor. See the book I suggested.

People who continue to work minimum wage jobs their entire lives are generally either
1) Stupid
or
2) Lazy
or
3) Both
This is more true in a robust economy. Socialism, which is the proposed cure for poverty, give anemic economies, so it defeats its own efforts to ease poverty, rather it inflicts poverty on all. An odd sort of equality.

Q - What is the difference between Socialism and Capitalism
A - a socialist sees a wealthy man in a big house and states "no one should have that much" while the capitalist sees the same man in the same house and states "everyone should have that much"

While some people simply lack the ability to make a good life for themselves, many more in our country are being denied the opportunity because the anemic economy does not produce jobs. the economy is anemic because the cost of doing business is so high. All the taxes to support socialist programs increase the cost of doing business in America.

 

[Oldandtired]

How? Could it be by paying your taxes and letting a small percentage of that tax debt go to help Americans trapped in circumstances not of their creation?

Or will you come to Youngstown Ohio, Monaca Pennsylvania, Weirton West Virginia, Rome New York, Dearborn Michigan and help Americans trapped by no jobs, falling housing prices and no real prospects?

Maybe, just maybe, the federal government has some programs in place for just such circumstances. Hell. Making life a little easier for these hard working American families is a wiser use of tax dollars than giving a defense contractor $700 to make a better toilet seat!

If the President said "we need to raise your taxes for one year to help those in need" I would not oppose.

But he opted to spend a trillion dollars to pay back special interest groups....9000 earmarks mind you.......and now he wants to raise our taxes so we can help out the less fortunate....and raise other taxes to help out other groups...and inhibit our corporate growth with cap and trade so he can cater to even MORE special interest groups.....and we, conservatives are the bad guys?

Why not look at Obama and ask why YOU and those that are struggling like you are taking a back seat to special interest groups?

Maybe that trillion should have been slated to relief?

Do you see how they have you hating those that can help you? Are you truly not seeing it?

Are you telling me that corporations are here to help us? After they polluted our air, water and soil? After they negotiated contracts with us then moved their operations to Asia to save a buck? And, before moving, asked us to concede our benefits and wages?

After they gained special access to our legislators and administrators to get the deck stacked in their favor? After they globalized the market and paved the way for only the biggest and richest to compete?

Are you asking us to trust the hand that slapped us? Why?

I am not asking you to thank the hand that slapped you.

95% of the businesses in America are still in America employing Americans and paying American taxes and adhering to American environmental regulations and making American goods and seeling them to Amereicans at fair prices.

Stop grouping all business owners with the likes of GE executives....oh yeah...I forgot...they are OK...they are liberals.

Now you are sounding like an asshole....not someone trying to make a valid point...AND YES....your point is valid. I SAID THAT WITH MY FIRST RESPONSE...yet you continue to berate me...a conservative.