Hobbit
Senior Member
Elephant, lemme guess, you're a libertarian. Either that or you're just plain nuts. Oh well, same thing.
Anyway, you are currently practicing a very common and idiotic propoganda technique called "false alternatives." What this means is that you present your view alongside one that is completely insane and pretending that those two are the only viewpoints. It's very common among liberals who like to say that you're either in favor of gay marriage and abortion on demand or you hate gays and women. In this case, you're saying that either you believe taxes are theft or you're a communist. This is simply untrue, it's just your infantile way of trying to make youself look correct, and it won't work here.
Let's go over a few facts, shall we.
People, as a whole, are selfish, petty, greedy creatures who would rather not give their money to anyone unless they saw a direct result. Since the federal government isn't a drive-through, the effects of money going into the treasury will likely go unnoticed by the one who put it there, since the results aren't immediate. This means that, as has been established, most people won't pay taxes if they don't have to.
Speaking of monetary control, what's true about all political structures is that the one in charge is the one who controls the flow of money. Our government is not a pure democracy, it is a constitutional republic, meaning the power must lie directly in the hands of elected officials and indirectly in the hands of the people. This means that the elected officials must have direct control over the flow of money, with the people having indirect control through the officials they elect. Once the power to control the flow of money through the government is given directly, rather than indirectly, to the people, the power of the elected officials ceases to exists and the existence of the federal government becomes cosmetic, empty, and without purpose.
While many states refused to pay federal taxes around the founding of our nation, the constitution they signed allowed the federal government to levy taxes in certain areas, making their refusal to pay unlawful. They were dealt with.
Now, on to some facts for the other side:
Income tax was not originally allowed by the Constitution. Every time it was tried, it was overturned by the Supreme Court. The only reason it became an ammendment is because when one political party feigned resignation to the idea of income tax, but only in ammendment form, the other party convinced the masses that only the filthy rich would pay this tax, much like Democrats now convince the masses that tax hikes will only affect the rich. It was snuck in by liars and scammers.
While the federal government is constitutionally granted the power to levy taxes, provide for common defense, regulate interstate affairs (crime, commerce, travel), and a few other things, all powers not specifically granted by the Constitution are supposed to go to the states. The federal government has so overstepped its bounds at this point that state governments become less and less distinguishable by the day. They have alos taken it upon themselves to throw money at every percieved problem in the country, driving up spending.
Abolishing the IRS and eliminating all the other crap that goes along with income tax would cut spending enough to significantly lower taxes across the country. Doing taxes is also a multi-billion dollar industry. Cutting this out would save Americans so much money, it's sad.
My belief is that the government needs to cut back spending to only things specifically allowed by the Constitution, abolish income tax, and return the power back to the states.
Lastly, blaming highway deaths on the government is asinine. Roads don't kill anyone. Drunk drivers, crazy young idiots who press their cars' limits, innatentive drivers, guys who refuse to fix their cars, bad weather, and a few other factors that lie exclusively on the drivers and acts of God, cause highway deaths. That's just like all those hippies said about gun manufacturers being murderers. It's stupid. If highways were run by corporations, there'd be too many of them for competition or the ones that were there would be monopolized and would be hyper-expensive and in poor shape, and there would be the SAME number of casualties.
Face it, if the federal government is emasculated in the way you propose, the country will be run by businesses. With businesses unregulated, it would soon degrade to what it was over 100 years ago, with child labor, monopolization, anti-union, and illegal immigration would be even WORSE.
Anyway, you are currently practicing a very common and idiotic propoganda technique called "false alternatives." What this means is that you present your view alongside one that is completely insane and pretending that those two are the only viewpoints. It's very common among liberals who like to say that you're either in favor of gay marriage and abortion on demand or you hate gays and women. In this case, you're saying that either you believe taxes are theft or you're a communist. This is simply untrue, it's just your infantile way of trying to make youself look correct, and it won't work here.
Let's go over a few facts, shall we.
People, as a whole, are selfish, petty, greedy creatures who would rather not give their money to anyone unless they saw a direct result. Since the federal government isn't a drive-through, the effects of money going into the treasury will likely go unnoticed by the one who put it there, since the results aren't immediate. This means that, as has been established, most people won't pay taxes if they don't have to.
Speaking of monetary control, what's true about all political structures is that the one in charge is the one who controls the flow of money. Our government is not a pure democracy, it is a constitutional republic, meaning the power must lie directly in the hands of elected officials and indirectly in the hands of the people. This means that the elected officials must have direct control over the flow of money, with the people having indirect control through the officials they elect. Once the power to control the flow of money through the government is given directly, rather than indirectly, to the people, the power of the elected officials ceases to exists and the existence of the federal government becomes cosmetic, empty, and without purpose.
While many states refused to pay federal taxes around the founding of our nation, the constitution they signed allowed the federal government to levy taxes in certain areas, making their refusal to pay unlawful. They were dealt with.
Now, on to some facts for the other side:
Income tax was not originally allowed by the Constitution. Every time it was tried, it was overturned by the Supreme Court. The only reason it became an ammendment is because when one political party feigned resignation to the idea of income tax, but only in ammendment form, the other party convinced the masses that only the filthy rich would pay this tax, much like Democrats now convince the masses that tax hikes will only affect the rich. It was snuck in by liars and scammers.
While the federal government is constitutionally granted the power to levy taxes, provide for common defense, regulate interstate affairs (crime, commerce, travel), and a few other things, all powers not specifically granted by the Constitution are supposed to go to the states. The federal government has so overstepped its bounds at this point that state governments become less and less distinguishable by the day. They have alos taken it upon themselves to throw money at every percieved problem in the country, driving up spending.
Abolishing the IRS and eliminating all the other crap that goes along with income tax would cut spending enough to significantly lower taxes across the country. Doing taxes is also a multi-billion dollar industry. Cutting this out would save Americans so much money, it's sad.
My belief is that the government needs to cut back spending to only things specifically allowed by the Constitution, abolish income tax, and return the power back to the states.
Lastly, blaming highway deaths on the government is asinine. Roads don't kill anyone. Drunk drivers, crazy young idiots who press their cars' limits, innatentive drivers, guys who refuse to fix their cars, bad weather, and a few other factors that lie exclusively on the drivers and acts of God, cause highway deaths. That's just like all those hippies said about gun manufacturers being murderers. It's stupid. If highways were run by corporations, there'd be too many of them for competition or the ones that were there would be monopolized and would be hyper-expensive and in poor shape, and there would be the SAME number of casualties.
Face it, if the federal government is emasculated in the way you propose, the country will be run by businesses. With businesses unregulated, it would soon degrade to what it was over 100 years ago, with child labor, monopolization, anti-union, and illegal immigration would be even WORSE.
