Fact is fact, Tea Partiers are extremists

[CMike]

Tell you what.

You go take a law school class on each of the following: Corporations, Business Associations, Contracts, Secured Transactions, Constitutional Law, Criminal Law, and Torts...

then come back with some knowledge about how Corporations are run by people, but have entirely different capabilities, responsibilities, and legal capacities.

Once you do...I might actually take you seriously.

The blind leading the blind

 

[Liability]

A rock cannot sue me. I cannot sue a rock.

Another person can sue me. I can sue another person.

Is a Corporation able to sue me? Am I legally able to sue a Corporation?

The correct (legal) answer to those last two "questions" is "yes." The REASON I can sue a corporation and a corporation can sue me is because we have accepted (as a society, within the bounds of our laws) the legal fiction that a corporation "is" a person.

Corporations, like people, may die. Unlike people, corporations MAY continue as immortals, too, of course. But that does not detract from the essential legal element of existing as a "person."

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

A rock cannot sue me. I cannot sue a rock.

Another person can sue me. I can sue another person.

Is a Corporation able to sue me? Am I legally able to sue a Corporation?

The correct (legal) answer to those last two "questions" is "yes." The REASON I can sue a corporation and a corporation can sue me is because we have accepted (as a society, within the bounds of our laws) the legal fiction that a corporation "is" a person.

Corporations, like people, may die. Unlike people, corporations MAY continue as immortals, too, of course. But that does not detract from the essential legal element of existing as a "person."

Why deny a corporation the vote? Why deny a corporation all the rights and privileges all other persons have?

Are not All persons created equal?

 

[Vast LWC]

Why deny a corporation the vote? Why deny a corporation all the rights and privileges all other persons have?

Are not All persons created equal?

Hell, while we're at it, why not give corporations the right to marry?

And, we could rule that any act that financially harms a corporation to the point where it has to shut down is a "murder"!

And, hell, why don't we say that, since a corporation is made up of many investors, the corporation should get an equal amount of votes in an election!

After all, the Corporation is what's important, not the people, right? After all, that's where the money is made, and we all know that money is the most important thing in the world.

Right?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Tell you what.

You go take a law school class on each of the following: Corporations, Business Associations, Contracts, Secured Transactions, Constitutional Law, Criminal Law, and Torts...

then come back with some knowledge about how Corporations are run by people, but have entirely different capabilities, responsibilities, and legal capacities.

Once you do...I might actually take you seriously.

The blind leading the blind

eat shit, asshole.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Why deny a corporation the vote? Why deny a corporation all the rights and privileges all other persons have?

Are not All persons created equal?

Hell, while we're at it, why not give corporations the right to marry?

And, we could rule that any act that financially harms a corporation to the point where it has to shut down is a "murder"!

And, hell, why don't we say that, since a corporation is made up of many investors, the corporation should get an equal amount of votes in an election!

After all, the Corporation is what's important, not the people, right? After all, that's where the money is made, and we all know that money is the most important thing in the world.

Right?

hey, careful. this is starting to border on hate speech. corporations have feelings too.

 

[Vanquish]

A rock cannot sue me. I cannot sue a rock.

Another person can sue me. I can sue another person.

Is a Corporation able to sue me? Am I legally able to sue a Corporation?

The correct (legal) answer to those last two "questions" is "yes." The REASON I can sue a corporation and a corporation can sue me is because we have accepted (as a society, within the bounds of our laws) the legal fiction that a corporation "is" a person.

Corporations, like people, may die. Unlike people, corporations MAY continue as immortals, too, of course. But that does not detract from the essential legal element of existing as a "person."

Actually it does. It's one of the major differences in the two.

Think about a large, monied corporation in a particular industry. They last for literally 200 years and spend their money over and over and over influencing the government to get the regulation of that industry to bend to their needs. And let's say those needs are harmful to a group of individuals.

Those individuals dont get to live for 200 years. While they can prosper and make loads of money, the corporation, especially when allied with an entire industry, can drown out that voice of the individual.

On a related note - a corporation doesn't have a physical body, heart, brain etc. Yes, corporations being persons is a legal fiction - one that's FAR from absolute...and which incorporates many differences.

So should a corporation run for President!? Wal-Mart for president!!

 

[CMike]

I didn't say a corporation is a person, I said it's made up of people.

 

[Jarhead]

Why deny a corporation the vote? Why deny a corporation all the rights and privileges all other persons have?

Are not All persons created equal?

Hell, while we're at it, why not give corporations the right to marry?

And, we could rule that any act that financially harms a corporation to the point where it has to shut down is a "murder"!

And, hell, why don't we say that, since a corporation is made up of many investors, the corporation should get an equal amount of votes in an election!

After all, the Corporation is what's important, not the people, right? After all, that's where the money is made, and we all know that money is the most important thing in the world.

Right?

After careful consideration and applying the American rule of thumb that all are created equal and are to be treated equal:

Corporations should have no more consideration than special interests and special interests should have no more consideration than corporations.

Whether or not one group generates a profit is irrelevant.

Either we look at entities as "people" or we dont. I say we don't as they are not people; they are entities made up of people.

 

[Vast LWC]

After careful consideration and applying the American rule of thumb that all are created equal and are to be treated equal:

Corporations should have no more consideration than special interests and special interests should have no more consideration than corporations.

Whether or not one group generates a profit is irrelevant.

Either we look at entities as "people" or we dont. I say we don't as they are not people; they are entities made up of people.

Well said. My post was sarcastic and tongue in cheek, this post is right on the money.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I didn't say a corporation is a person, I said it's made up of people.

really?

 

[Gatekeeper]

Right-wing extremists taint Tea Party protests, hurt conservative cause | The Eagle Online

This was from a conservative on conservatives. The Tea Partiers are sick extremist monkeys with severe mental issues and are in need of help. When you believe lies are the truth and believe it as gospel something is wrong.

What bullshit , 'tea party folks are extremists' sound like the same level of thinking the government wants to brainwash people with and classify them as 'dangerous, threatening, and crazy'

I think the British called all those 'bad people', like the minutemen and others worse than that when all they wanted was freedom to do what they wanted, like speech,religion and too much government intervention, HIGH & too much TAXATION, yada yada & yada. OOOOOPS, we are right back in almost the same position again aren't we?

Always someone around that will try Demonizing, labeling,and name calling people or groups that do not have an ideology in agreement with theirs.

 

[Liability]

A rock cannot sue me. I cannot sue a rock.

Another person can sue me. I can sue another person.

Is a Corporation able to sue me? Am I legally able to sue a Corporation?

The correct (legal) answer to those last two "questions" is "yes." The REASON I can sue a corporation and a corporation can sue me is because we have accepted (as a society, within the bounds of our laws) the legal fiction that a corporation "is" a person.

Corporations, like people, may die. Unlike people, corporations MAY continue as immortals, too, of course. But that does not detract from the essential legal element of existing as a "person."

Actually it does. It's one of the major differences in the two.

Think about a large, monied corporation in a particular industry. They last for literally 200 years and spend their money over and over and over influencing the government to get the regulation of that industry to bend to their needs. And let's say those needs are harmful to a group of individuals.

Those individuals dont get to live for 200 years. While they can prosper and make loads of money, the corporation, especially when allied with an entire industry, can drown out that voice of the individual.

On a related note - a corporation doesn't have a physical body, heart, brain etc. Yes, corporations being persons is a legal fiction - one that's FAR from absolute...and which incorporates many differences.

So should a corporation run for President!? Wal-Mart for president!!

Actually, no; it doesn't. Since we all know already that we are dealing with a legal fiction, not a physical reality, it is sophistry to argue that a corporation doesn't have a hearrt or other bodily organs. No shit.

But as legal fictions go, it has long been accepted (for very good reasons which remain quite valid) that a "corporation is a 'person.' "

Do I get taxed for making income over a certain level? Yep.

Do Corporations get taxed, too? Yep.

Do I get a voice in the operation of our government? Yep.

So why shouldn't a corporation have some voice? Because it doesn't have kidneys or a spleen or an appendix? Come now.

If you live a very prudent existence given the modern state of medical knowledge, it is possible for you to live longer than many corporations do. If Standard Oil, Esso, Exxon, Exxon/Mobile, etc., in whatever incarnation or under whatever name, happens to outlive many mere mortals, how does that change anything?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Right-wing extremists taint Tea Party protests, hurt conservative cause | The Eagle Online

This was from a conservative on conservatives. The Tea Partiers are sick extremist monkeys with severe mental issues and are in need of help. When you believe lies are the truth and believe it as gospel something is wrong.

What bullshit , 'tea party folks are extremists' sound like the same level of thinking the government wants to brainwash people with and classify them as 'dangerous, threatening, and crazy'

I think the British called all those 'bad people', like the minutemen and others worse than that when all they wanted was freedom to do what they wanted, like speech,religion and too much government intervention, HIGH & too much TAXATION, yada yada & yada. OOOOOPS, we are right back in almost the same position again aren't we?

Always someone around that will try Demonizing, labeling,and name calling people or groups that do not have an ideology in agreement with theirs.

Our founding fathers called their opposition 'terrorists' and they were right. Jefferson supported the crazies in France. The right wing in America are the new Jacobin Club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

John Marshall called the Democratic-Republicans, 'terrorists'

The extremists that are organizing the Tea Party are terrorist recruiters

 

[rh287]

A link from CNN????? Damn...That's just plain ignorant...Look at CNN's dismal viewer rankings...And shrinking everyday due to their extream positive bias towards the Dems and Obama...I hope they go bankrupt...but I'm sure Obama will bail them out if they do...

http://www.mediabistro.com/TVNewser/Ratings/

 

[FrankieGA]

Know I called them monkeys, mainly because they do a good job of fling poop and not facts.

That makes you a monkey, v2.

Facts are facts, the Tea Party started during Obama's presidental campaign with their lies about Obama being a Muslim, Socialist, and being born outside the US, hell one old retard even believed he was Arab. They're prime examples of what politicians can do with uneducated, uninformed, ignorant people. They're walking zombies. If Limbaugh, Beck or Palin said Obama was really a Martian from space in disguise Tea partiers would believe it, I'd bet they'd even "find" Martian to back up their statements.

And Hell wasn't one of your own party followers of the Great One quoted as saying "I'm so happy, I won't have to make my car payment anymore"

Real intelligent asshole. Why don't you go sit in a tree or better yet build a tree house and live in it. Leave us here to clean up the mess that you and your fellow assholes have created.

 

[Vanquish]

A rock cannot sue me. I cannot sue a rock.

Another person can sue me. I can sue another person.

Is a Corporation able to sue me? Am I legally able to sue a Corporation?

The correct (legal) answer to those last two "questions" is "yes." The REASON I can sue a corporation and a corporation can sue me is because we have accepted (as a society, within the bounds of our laws) the legal fiction that a corporation "is" a person.

Corporations, like people, may die. Unlike people, corporations MAY continue as immortals, too, of course. But that does not detract from the essential legal element of existing as a "person."

Actually it does. It's one of the major differences in the two.

Think about a large, monied corporation in a particular industry. They last for literally 200 years and spend their money over and over and over influencing the government to get the regulation of that industry to bend to their needs. And let's say those needs are harmful to a group of individuals.

Those individuals dont get to live for 200 years. While they can prosper and make loads of money, the corporation, especially when allied with an entire industry, can drown out that voice of the individual.

On a related note - a corporation doesn't have a physical body, heart, brain etc. Yes, corporations being persons is a legal fiction - one that's FAR from absolute...and which incorporates many differences.

So should a corporation run for President!? Wal-Mart for president!!

Actually, no; it doesn't. Since we all know already that we are dealing with a legal fiction, not a physical reality, it is sophistry to argue that a corporation doesn't have a hearrt or other bodily organs. No shit.

But as legal fictions go, it has long been accepted (for very good reasons which remain quite valid) that a "corporation is a 'person.' "

Do I get taxed for making income over a certain level? Yep.

Do Corporations get taxed, too? Yep.

Do I get a voice in the operation of our government? Yep.

So why shouldn't a corporation have some voice? Because it doesn't have kidneys or a spleen or an appendix? Come now.

If you live a very prudent existence given the modern state of medical knowledge, it is possible for you to live longer than many corporations do. If Standard Oil, Esso, Exxon, Exxon/Mobile, etc., in whatever incarnation or under whatever name, happens to outlive many mere mortals, how does that change anything?

Are you seriously asking that question? Holy crap, man.

It extends the consistent influence of the corporation beyond the lifespan of a regular person. So instead of citizens having voices that count, big business gets to steamroll the little guy.

The people in the corporations ALREADY get a voice. Now you're giving them more than one voice? Awesome.

The distinction of physical vs non-physical isn't sophistry...it's logic. People can't start this thread making comparisons and then just cherry-pick the comparisons they like. Why? Because that distinction goes back to the mortality issue for one. For another, it bears on all sorts of legal issues like criminal punishment, tort law, etc.

Feel free to keep giving influence to big business in one thread...then argue you want to help the common man in another thread. Just don't think you're being consistent.

 

[CMike]

All this has little to do with the US Supreme Court ruling.

Newspapers are part of corporations they can endorse candidates publically. The Supreme Court ruled that corporations have a right to put in political advertising if they want to.

Unions can also put in political ads.

 

[Vanquish]

The blawg I posted to previously explains how the case law the SCOTUS used was interpreted incorrectly.

If you want an actual legal discussion...oh wait...hahahaha