Fact checking the Fox debate

[edthecynic]

You left out the quote from your link that says, "The final vote tally was 50 to 49, after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid switched his vote to "no"". Reid cast the deciding vote that put the brakes on Obama's bill. Truth. Read your link.

As is typical of CON$ervative pathological liars, they never quote anything accurately so they can play dumb as they lie. You were so dishonest you didn't even include the ellipsis to show that you cut the quote in mid sentence!

Here is the full quote with the part you dishonestly left out:"The final vote tally was 50 to 49, after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid switched his vote to "no" for technical reasons -- under Senate rules, casting his vote with the majority allows Reid to revive the bill at a later date if he wants."

That is the same technical rule Dole used to change his vote to the majority on the term limits vote that was part of the "Contract On America" so he could bring the bill up again.

But even independent of your premeditated lying, Reid did not cast any deciding vote as the vote to end debate and allow a vote on the bill fell NINE (9) votes short of the 60 votes necessary to bring the bill to a vote before Reid changed his vote. But as a CON$ervative know-it-all, you knew that already.

Hmmmm, that didn't seem to bother you when YOU cherry picked quotes from the article did it? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Bottom line, Reid cast the tie breaking vote to kill the bill.........in a procedural move. Question, has he revived the bill to date? If not, then who is preventing Obama's bill from being voted on and passing? Not the Republicans, but the Democrat Speaker Reid. Why is he obstructing jobs bills?

You really suck at this.

Again we see how shameless CON$ are when they lie. After repeatedly being told that it takes 60 votes to end debate and allow an up or down vote on the bill, CON$ just continue to lie that 50 votes fell one vote short, Reid's, of the necessary 60 votes. CON$ pretend to be that stupid because they have convinced themselves that if, like Reagan, you are too stupid to know you are lying then you are not a liar.

REAGAN (11/13/86): We did not, repeat, did not trade weapons or anything else for hostages, nor will we.

REAGAN (3/4/87): A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true. But the facts and the evidence tell me it is not.

 

[rdean]

As I have shown so many times before, when CON$ are caught lying, they play dumb and just repeat the same lie over again.

Pathological liar McConnell, when he thought the bill would fail, put on a big show that he was going to allow a vote on the bill and said he wanted to vote on the bill without debate. But when Reid brought up the bill the Turtle and the GOP blocked the vote on the bill because they knew it would get the 50 votes needed to pass. The GOP blocked the vote by not voting to close the debate. That's Right, the GOP who said no debate on the bill was necessary, refused to end the debate so the bill could be voted on.
Get it???
The GOP blocked the vote on the bill, not Reid and not the Democrats.

uh huh-

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) blocked a vote on President Barack Obama’s American Jobs Act tonight.

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) had pledged to offer an unchanged version of the President’s American Jobs Act as an amendment to the Currency Exchange Rate Oversight Reform Bill (S. 1619). Reid stopped a vote on the President’s so called jobs bill by filling the amendment tree. Last year I wrote about Reid’s obstructionism and argued that Reid’s strong arm tactics by constantly filling the amendment tree as a means to block out all amendments were against the spirit and letter of the Senate’s rules.

Reid will fill up all of the possible amendments to the bill with technical corrections as a means to prevent Senators from offering substantive amendments. This will block out amendments from the other 99 Senators. A Senator will then have to get the consent of Reid to offer an amendment. This is not a good faith application of the Senate’s rules.

This tactic is when the Majority Leader uses the tradition of being recognized first to offer amendment after amendment to block out all other amendments. It is a way to get a bill passed unchanged and a means to stop Senators from offering amendments.

Reid had filled the tree then he filed cloture on the bill to end debate.

After Reid blocked consideration of the McConnell amendment, Senator McConnell filed something called a motion to suspend the rules.

Some Republicans have used the tactic of filing motions to suspend the rules in order to get a vote on amendments after debate is complete. Seven amendments were pending as motions to suspend the rules. Motions to suspend the rules can only be done after a filibuster and after the Senate invokes a motion to shut off debate.

Reid raised a point of order against motions to suspend the rules after cloture is invoked. He argued that the pending amendments, including the McConnell Amendment, amounted to a second filibuster and were dilatory. A dilatory action is a delaying action. There are existing precedents in the long history of the Senate where the Senate has disallowed stalling tactics what were deemed “dillatory.”

Here is what Reid said on the Senate floor:

Now since the Senate amended rule 22 in 1979, cloture has been a process to bring the Senate consideration to a close. The fundamental nature of cloture is to make consideration of the pending measure finite. The terms of rule 22 provide that the question is this: and I quote, “it is the sense of the Senate that the debate shall be brought to a close.” Indeed, late this morning the Republican Leader stated, and I also quote what my friend, the Republican Leader, said. “if 60 senators are in favor bringing a matter to a conclusion, it will be brought it a conclusion.” That’s just what happened a few minutes ago.” So I repeat, that’s what the Republican Leader said. Now, notwithstanding the clear nature of the cloture rule to provide for finite consideration of a measure, a practice has begun in this Congress that has undermined the cloture rule. The practice has arisen with senators filing multiple motions to suspend the rules for the consideration of further amendments.

Reid concluded that he was going to move to obliterate the precedent.

Unless the Senate votes to change its precedents today, we will be faced with a potentially serious series of motions to suspend the rules and that is a result that a functioning democracy cannot tolerate.

Reid then called up motion to suspend the rules to consider an amendment by Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) and made a point of order that the amendment was dilatory. It seems illogical to call up and offer an amendment, then to argue that the amendment is dilatory.

Senator McConnell responded that Reid had agreed earlier to allow votes on these amendments, yet he backed away from the agreement.

more at-

Reid Blocks Vote on Obama's Job Plan

So you are saying that because Reid did not allow the Turtle to use the jobs bill to get a second chance to filibuster the exchange rate bill, which has nothing to do with the jobs bill, McConnell and the GOP had nothing to do with blocking the vote on the jobs bill when the jobs bill was brought up by Reid as the separate bill it was.

Senate Republicans block Obama's jobs package - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Senate Republicans blocked President Obama's $447 billion jobs package on Tuesday, putting the brakes on a bill Mr. Obama has been vigorously promoting over the past month.
By around 7 p.m., the vote tally was 50 to 48, giving Republicans more than the 40 votes needed to filibuster the bill.

Because rebuilding America is bad. Too much "socialism". Republicans should be honest and run on "Fuck America ---> Every man for himself".

 

[rdean]

Not to mention that his previous jobs plans have resulted in more than 3 MILLION JOBS CREATED AND/OR SAVED.

How many jobs bills have the pubs introduced?

ZIP

You're too easy of a target:
Senate blocks new Obama jobs bill - The Hill's Floor Action



Senate Democrats forced to block Obama's jobs bill - Washington Times



Congress logs most futile legislative year on record - Washington Times

“The House has passed nearly 30 jobs bills with bipartisan support, but Senate Democratic leaders have refused to act,” he said. “We are going to remain focused on the American people’s No. 1 issue: jobs. We hope the Democrats who run Washington will change course and join us.”

Amazing isn't it?

The Statist Democrats and Obama are pinning thier hopes on 'blame' the Republicans. It's alll they have. [Blame, minimization, denial, obfuscation].

Some platform, isn't it?

That's bullshit and you know it. Obama has a remarkable record for someone who has been fighting the enemies of America. al Qaeda on the outside and the Republicans on the inside. I have to admit, as any honest person does, Republicans have much more effective in bringing down the country than al Qaeda.

 

[Charles_Main]

“The fact is that more people have been put on food stamps by Barack Obama than any president in American history.” — Gingrich
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We have examined this issue before, giving Gingrich a Pinocchio for this statement.
This is an example of taking a fact — an all-time high for food stamp recipients — and taking it out of context. The president is struggling with the aftermath of an economic situation he inherited, while building on food stamp changes that preceded his tenure.

So what they are saying is Newt is right, More people are on Food Stamps, But it's all Bush's Fault.


Yeah, that's an Unbiased News source for ya.

 

[Charles_Main]

You're too easy of a target:
Senate blocks new Obama jobs bill - The Hill's Floor Action



Senate Democrats forced to block Obama's jobs bill - Washington Times



Congress logs most futile legislative year on record - Washington Times

Amazing isn't it?

The Statist Democrats and Obama are pinning thier hopes on 'blame' the Republicans. It's alll they have. [Blame, minimization, denial, obfuscation].

Some platform, isn't it?

That's bullshit and you know it. Obama has a remarkable record for someone who has been fighting the enemies of America. al Qaeda on the outside and the Republicans on the inside. I have to admit, as any honest person does, Republicans have much more effective in bringing down the country than al Qaeda.

Do you assholes really think you are going to win, Calling Half the voting Public enemies of America?

Republicans are America's Enemy?

You guys are out of your fucking minds, and it is thinking like that, that makes You the enemy.

People who do not agree with Obama are not the Enemy of America dude. You are a fucking jackass,

and aside from Killing Osama. Obama's Record is HORRIBLE.

 

[The T]

You're too easy of a target:
Senate blocks new Obama jobs bill - The Hill's Floor Action



Senate Democrats forced to block Obama's jobs bill - Washington Times



Congress logs most futile legislative year on record - Washington Times

Amazing isn't it?

The Statist Democrats and Obama are pinning thier hopes on 'blame' the Republicans. It's alll they have. [Blame, minimization, denial, obfuscation].

Some platform, isn't it?

That's bullshit and you know it. Obama has a remarkable record for someone who has been fighting the enemies of America. al Qaeda on the outside and the Republicans on the inside. I have to admit, as any honest person does, Republicans have much more effective in bringing down the country than al Qaeda.

rdean? YOU are an enemy to this Republic.

 

[The T]

Amazing isn't it?

The Statist Democrats and Obama are pinning thier hopes on 'blame' the Republicans. It's alll they have. [Blame, minimization, denial, obfuscation].

Some platform, isn't it?

That's bullshit and you know it. Obama has a remarkable record for someone who has been fighting the enemies of America. al Qaeda on the outside and the Republicans on the inside. I have to admit, as any honest person does, Republicans have much more effective in bringing down the country than al Qaeda.

Do you assholes really think you are going to win, Calling Half the voting Public enemies of America?

Republicans are America's Enemy?

You guys are out of your fucking minds, and it is thinking like that, that makes You the enemy.

People who do not agree with Obama are not the Enemy of America dude. You are a fucking jackass,

and aside from Killing Osama. Obama's Record is HORRIBLE.

Precisely. deany-bub seems to be upset that I gave away the Statist Democrat platform.

(Actually? it's no secret. They've been doing it by actions since the O was immacculated).

 

[Synthaholic]

You left out the quote from your link that says, "The final vote tally was 50 to 49, after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid switched his vote to "no"". Reid cast the deciding vote that put the brakes on Obama's bill. Truth. Read your link.

*sigh*

Majority Leader Reid, D-Nev., changed his vote from yes to no in order to preserve the motion to proceed. A Senator has to be with the winning side in order to have the ability to bring the measure up again at any time without filing cloture.
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You are another one, and we have been thru this what, 3 times in the last 2 weeks I think?

you have a very sloppy way of thinking and posting dude, you apparently shoot from the lip, you and the others of your ‘ilk’, yes, you have an ilk ala EdtheFactbulimic make a statement, then when asked to explain or defend it/them, attempt to 're-characterize' change what you have said, obfuscate and /or try and tis is the most favored one of the lot- craft an argument in mitigation, trying to abate what you said earlier, lessening the meaning of your own words by sliding in a strawman or false dilemma, basically and dishonestly massaging what you said blurring enough to appear as if that’s what you intended all along. NY Carb. is another member of your ilk in good standing.

I'll take a pass on your slobbering partisan bs. its kiddie shit.

 

[Oldstyle]

You're too easy of a target:
Senate blocks new Obama jobs bill - The Hill's Floor Action



Senate Democrats forced to block Obama's jobs bill - Washington Times



Congress logs most futile legislative year on record - Washington Times

Amazing isn't it?

The Statist Democrats and Obama are pinning thier hopes on 'blame' the Republicans. It's alll they have. [Blame, minimization, denial, obfuscation].

Some platform, isn't it?

That's bullshit and you know it. Obama has a remarkable record for someone who has been fighting the enemies of America. al Qaeda on the outside and the Republicans on the inside. I have to admit, as any honest person does, Republicans have much more effective in bringing down the country than al Qaeda.

I hate to break this to you, Deanie...but the American electorate already gave their verdict on the "Progressive Agenda" in the mid-term elections of 2010. You remember those? They were the elections where Obama had to admit that the Left got "shellacked"?

The truth is that rather than concentrate on what the American people wanted him to...namely jobs and the economy...Obama passed a trillion dollar stimulus that protected "his" constituents while it hung the private sector out to dry...and then spent the better part of two years chasing ObamaCare, a terrible piece of legislation that not only doesn't fix healthcare but will add trillions to our deficit and to put the cherry on top...is probably UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!

I know that you're a "true believer", little buddy but the fact is...your guy is clueless.

 

[The T]

Amazing isn't it?

The Statist Democrats and Obama are pinning thier hopes on 'blame' the Republicans. It's alll they have. [Blame, minimization, denial, obfuscation].

Some platform, isn't it?

That's bullshit and you know it. Obama has a remarkable record for someone who has been fighting the enemies of America. al Qaeda on the outside and the Republicans on the inside. I have to admit, as any honest person does, Republicans have much more effective in bringing down the country than al Qaeda.

I hate to break this to you, Deanie...but the American electorate already gave their verdict on the "Progressive Agenda" in the mid-term elections of 2010. You remember those? They were the elections where Obama had to admit that the Left got "shellacked"?

The truth is that rather than concentrate on what the American people wanted him to...namely jobs and the economy...Obama passed a trillion dollar stimulus that protected "his" constituents while it hung the private sector out to dry...and then spent the better part of two years chasing ObamaCare, a terrible piece of legislation that not only doesn't fix healthcare but will add trillions to our deficit and to put the cherry on top...is probably UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!

I know that you're a "true believer", little buddy but the fact is...your guy is clueless.

They think the mid-terms were an anomoly. I prefer they continue to think that.

 

[rdean]

Amazing isn't it?

The Statist Democrats and Obama are pinning thier hopes on 'blame' the Republicans. It's alll they have. [Blame, minimization, denial, obfuscation].

Some platform, isn't it?

That's bullshit and you know it. Obama has a remarkable record for someone who has been fighting the enemies of America. al Qaeda on the outside and the Republicans on the inside. I have to admit, as any honest person does, Republicans have much more effective in bringing down the country than al Qaeda.

Do you assholes really think you are going to win, Calling Half the voting Public enemies of America?

Republicans are America's Enemy?

You guys are out of your fucking minds, and it is thinking like that, that makes You the enemy.

People who do not agree with Obama are not the Enemy of America dude. You are a fucking jackass,

and aside from Killing Osama. Obama's Record is HORRIBLE.

Half the voting public are Republicans? If that were the case, they wouldn't be working so hard at voter suppression.

Obama's record is great.

Horrible is what Republicans have done for the last 30 years. Thread after thread has been started asking them what they've accomplished. The only thing they've really been proud of is helping people with HIV in Africa. That's it. The sad news is they banned giving money to anyone who gives out condoms. Probably being the cause of infecting more than they helped. It's that fucking ideology standing in the way of good common sense.