FACT CHECK: Shaky health care job loss estimate

[Bass v 2.0]

FACT CHECK: Shaky health care job loss estimate - Yahoo! News

Republitards ought to just give it up on the scaremongering tactics that have absolutely no basis in fact, even the sources they cite as evidence don't say match up with what they spew.

 

[California Girl]

One can say the same about the Democrats attitude of 'pass it to see what's in it' bullshit.

Failure from one side.

Failure from the other side.

Yet, again, you call out these mythical 'republitards' and remain silent about the other side.... the one's who you claim you are politically opposed to.

Hypocrisy is hypocrisy.

 

[Jarhead]

Lol..

So naive.

Yes, this is referring to the actual "job numbers" assuming all things are equal...such as population size.

However, your article does not bring into the equation the lack of corporate "growth" that will exist....something the GOP has been discussing as the biggest issue as are many companies and their lobbyists.

That is another issue as it pertains to jobs seeing as we have an ever increasing population.

Your reporter, instead of looking for the truth, simply found a way to call Boehner a spinner.

Well, of course he spins. All politicians spin.

We would like the truth....not who is spinning what...

We want the WHOLE TRUTH.

 

[Oddball]

What's the unemployment rate again?

 

[Bass v 2.0]

One can say the same about the Democrats attitude of 'pass it to see what's in it' bullshit.

Failure from one side.

Failure from the other side.

Yet, again, you call out these mythical 'republitards' and remain silent about the other side.... the one's who you claim you are politically opposed to.

Hypocrisy is hypocrisy.

Republitards kept calling the health care law "job killing" legislation because they misinterpreted and distorted a CBO report, what you just said is non-sequitir, at least have the heart to woman up instead of playing that retarded "Democrats do the same" argument.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

What's the unemployment rate again?

Try connecting the health care law to unemployment and job killing. Imbecile.

 

[Jarhead]

What's the unemployment rate again?

Try connecting the health care law to unemployment and job killing. Imbecile.

I did already.

Your reporter simply gave yuo half the story. His was a story of political spinning.

Not a story of the whole truth abouy healthcare.

 

[Jarhead]

One can say the same about the Democrats attitude of 'pass it to see what's in it' bullshit.

Failure from one side.

Failure from the other side.

Yet, again, you call out these mythical 'republitards' and remain silent about the other side.... the one's who you claim you are politically opposed to.

Hypocrisy is hypocrisy.

Republitards kept calling the health care law "job killing" legislation because they misinterpreted and distorted a CBO report, what you just said is non-sequitir, at least have the heart to woman up instead of playing that retarded "Democrats do the same" argument.

It is job killing as well.
You just dont want to hear it.

Comapnies will have a much higher operating cost per employee.

The need to hire an employee is based on the return of that empoloyee. Increase the cost, the return must be higher....

It is basic business planning.....

Now, how do you increase the return on an employee? Increase your prices....so at first we will have a stagnant if not increasing unemployment number and then we will experience some serious inflation.

Glad the healthcare law makes you happy.

 

[Oddball]

What's the unemployment rate again?

Try connecting the health care law to unemployment and job killing. Imbecile.

Try hiring new people when you've had your existing employee pay percentage fucked over by an immense new gubmint mandate, that you haven't found a way to pay for...Asshole.

 

[uscitizen]

Lol..

So naive.

Yes, this is referring to the actual "job numbers" assuming all things are equal...such as population size.

However, your article does not bring into the equation the lack of corporate "growth" that will exist....something the GOP has been discussing as the biggest issue as are many companies and their lobbyists.

That is another issue as it pertains to jobs seeing as we have an ever increasing population.

Your reporter, instead of looking for the truth, simply found a way to call Boehner a spinner.

Well, of course he spins. All politicians spin.

We would like the truth....not who is spinning what...

We want the WHOLE TRUTH.

You do not think there will be corporate growth with more people buying insurance and getting more healthcare?

 

[Jarhead]

Lol..

So naive.

Yes, this is referring to the actual "job numbers" assuming all things are equal...such as population size.

However, your article does not bring into the equation the lack of corporate "growth" that will exist....something the GOP has been discussing as the biggest issue as are many companies and their lobbyists.

That is another issue as it pertains to jobs seeing as we have an ever increasing population.

Your reporter, instead of looking for the truth, simply found a way to call Boehner a spinner.

Well, of course he spins. All politicians spin.

We would like the truth....not who is spinning what...

We want the WHOLE TRUTH.

You do not think there will be corporate growth with more people buying insurance and getting more healthcare?

Exactly how ould one relate to the other?

There is economic sense showing how the cost of healkthcare will stunt corporate growth.....but exactly how does 10% more of the population having healthcare increase corporate growth?

As was mentioned in the article, 650,000 will no longer see the need to work. That does not mean they have more money to spend....so how will it increase growth?

 

[Jarhead]

What's the unemployment rate again?

Try connecting the health care law to unemployment and job killing. Imbecile.

I did.
You opted to ignore it.

 

[kiwiman127]

GOP Leadership Intentionally Distorting Obamacare As Job Killer

As we get ready for this week’s vote to repeal health care reform, it’s a good time to review the substance behind the claims that are at the center of the GOP opposition – opposition that has taken shape in the bill to be introduced this week entitled, “Repealing the Job Killing Health Care Law Act.”

The Republican case is laid out in a document published on January 6th, under the authorship of the House GOP leadership and named, “Obamacare: A budget-busting, job-killing health care law.”

It’s an interesting document and well worth reading.

Indeed, the GOP arguments put forth in the study would be truly compelling were it not for the fact that the claims made are so astonishingly dishonest that it takes but a few hours of research to disprove and discredit virtually every substantial claim they make. If you question this, and I know many of you will, I have carefully provided links to each and every document and report the GOP has relied upon so that you may read these authorities for yourself.

Maestro…if you will…a little fact checking music.

The repeal argument kicks off with the following -

“The health care law will cause significant job losses for the U.S. economy. The Congressional Budget Office has determined that the law will reduce the “amount of labor used in the economy by … roughly half a percent…, an estimate that adds up to roughly 650,000 jobs lost.”

If this dramatic statement were true, it would be a pretty persuasive condemnation of Obamacare. The thing is, the CBO report in question, issued in August of 2010, most certainly does not predict the loss of 650,000 jobs.

<snip>

To be fair, the GOP report does not focus solely on the CBO. They also rely on a study conducted by the National Federation of Independent Business to support their claim that 1.6 million jobs stand to be lost thanks to Obamcare.

The Jan 6th House GOP Leadership report (cited above) states: &#8220;A study by the National Federation of Independent Businesses (NFIB), the nation&#8217;s largest small business association, found that an employer mandate alone could lead to the elimination of 1.6 million jobs between 2009 and 2014, with 66 percent of those coming from small businesses.&#8221;


Again, pretty persuasive &#8211; or it would be if it were not for the fact that the NFIB report was published in Jan., 2009 &#8211; over a year before the passage of Obamacare &#8211; and was based on a hypothetical employer mandate that has virtually nothing in common with the law that was actually passed


<snip>

The truth is that nobody yet knows whether the health care reform law will result in net job creation or net job loss. My suspicion is that it may be a break-even proposition or, possibly, a net plus considering how many positions are likely to be created in the health care industry.

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2...are-as-job-killer/?boxes=financechannelforbes

I think the last paragraph from the Forbes article says it all,,nobody really knows.

So we have the right say one thing and the left say something the opposite and in real life both are just throwing shit on the wall to see if it sticks.

In other words,,BEWARE OF POLITICIANS WHO WILL SAY ANYTHING!

 

[Oddball]

<snip>

The truth is that nobody yet knows whether the health care reform law will result in net job creation or net job loss. My suspicion is that it may be a break-even proposition or, possibly, a net plus considering how many positions are likely to be created in the health care industry.

GOP Leadership Intentionally Distorting Obamacare As Job Killer - Rick Ungar - The Policy Page - Forbes

I think the last paragraph from the Forbes article says it all,,nobody really knows.

So we have the right say one thing and the left say something the opposite and in real life both are just throwing shit on the wall to see if it sticks.

In other words,,BEWARE OF POLITICIANS WHO WILL SAY ANYTHING!

The "broken window" theory is bunk....I'm highly suspicious of anyone --yes, anyone-- who invokes it.

 

[RDD_1210]

LOL! So because healthcare reform will make it easier for people to obtain health insurance on their own without having to get it through their job and thus they don't have to work as much (voluntarily) that's job loss now?? Bwahahahahahaah.

 

[kiwiman127]

<snip>

The truth is that nobody yet knows whether the health care reform law will result in net job creation or net job loss. My suspicion is that it may be a break-even proposition or, possibly, a net plus considering how many positions are likely to be created in the health care industry.

GOP Leadership Intentionally Distorting Obamacare As Job Killer - Rick Ungar - The Policy Page - Forbes

I think the last paragraph from the Forbes article says it all,,nobody really knows.

So we have the right say one thing and the left say something the opposite and in real life both are just throwing shit on the wall to see if it sticks.

In other words,,BEWARE OF POLITICIANS WHO WILL SAY ANYTHING!

The "broken window" theory is bunk....I'm highly suspicious of anyone --yes, anyone-- who invokes it.

But you seem to trust politicians or entities who have something to gain or lose.
Before Obamacare was even a pipe-dream, many companies were already downsizing the employee heathcare plans. Healthcare insurance companies were already raising the premiums multiple times the inflation rate.
I've stated this way too many times, I'm not for Obamacare BUT I am for healthcare reform. The cost escalation of healthcare is outrageous.
I just thought I should state the above, so I don't end up being called a socialist!
The bottom-line? America is getting raped by the healthcare industry (Which is the sector I work in).

 

[Oddball]

<snip>

The truth is that nobody yet knows whether the health care reform law will result in net job creation or net job loss. My suspicion is that it may be a break-even proposition or, possibly, a net plus considering how many positions are likely to be created in the health care industry.

GOP Leadership Intentionally Distorting Obamacare As Job Killer - Rick Ungar - The Policy Page - Forbes

I think the last paragraph from the Forbes article says it all,,nobody really knows.

So we have the right say one thing and the left say something the opposite and in real life both are just throwing shit on the wall to see if it sticks.

In other words,,BEWARE OF POLITICIANS WHO WILL SAY ANYTHING!

The "broken window" theory is bunk....I'm highly suspicious of anyone --yes, anyone-- who invokes it.

But you seem to trust politicians or entities who have something to gain or lose.
Before Obamacare was even a pipe-dream, many companies were already downsizing the employee heathcare plans. Healthcare insurance companies were already raising the premiums multiple times the inflation rate.
I've stated this way too many times, I'm not for Obamacare BUT I am for healthcare reform. The cost escalation of healthcare is outrageous.
I just thought I should state the above, so I don't end up being called a socialist!
The bottom-line? America is getting raped by the healthcare industry (Which is the sector I work in).

No, America is getting raped by the asinine presumption that the best way to pay for something that's relatively expensive, is to have a third party do the paying.

Once you bury that foolhardy notion, the rest is pretty much gravy.

 

[RDD_1210]

The "broken window" theory is bunk....I'm highly suspicious of anyone --yes, anyone-- who invokes it.

But you seem to trust politicians or entities who have something to gain or lose.
Before Obamacare was even a pipe-dream, many companies were already downsizing the employee heathcare plans. Healthcare insurance companies were already raising the premiums multiple times the inflation rate.
I've stated this way too many times, I'm not for Obamacare BUT I am for healthcare reform. The cost escalation of healthcare is outrageous.
I just thought I should state the above, so I don't end up being called a socialist!
The bottom-line? America is getting raped by the healthcare industry (Which is the sector I work in).

No, America is getting raped by the asinine presumption that the best way to pay for something that's relatively expensive, is to have a third party do the paying.

Once you bury that foolhardy notion, the rest is pretty much gravy.

So you're in favor of single-payer then?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

One can say the same about the Democrats attitude of 'pass it to see what's in it' bullshit.

Failure from one side.

Failure from the other side.

Yet, again, you call out these mythical 'republitards' and remain silent about the other side.... the one's who you claim you are politically opposed to.

Hypocrisy is hypocrisy.

Yeah, I'm sure 'pass it to see what's in it' is Democratic-rhetoric.

 

[Oddball]

But you seem to trust politicians or entities who have something to gain or lose.
Before Obamacare was even a pipe-dream, many companies were already downsizing the employee heathcare plans. Healthcare insurance companies were already raising the premiums multiple times the inflation rate.
I've stated this way too many times, I'm not for Obamacare BUT I am for healthcare reform. The cost escalation of healthcare is outrageous.
I just thought I should state the above, so I don't end up being called a socialist!
The bottom-line? America is getting raped by the healthcare industry (Which is the sector I work in).

No, America is getting raped by the asinine presumption that the best way to pay for something that's relatively expensive, is to have a third party do the paying.

Once you bury that foolhardy notion, the rest is pretty much gravy.

So you're in favor of single-payer then?