Fact about d day.....thousands of Americans died because

[Missouri_Mike]

Same enemy. Both D-day and today we are fighting against the left and their policies.

Don't you think that your Party Particianship can be left out on this? War is neither Right nor Left to the Dead and the Survivors. And both of those are my Brothers and Sisters.

The day left wing ideals are wiped from the face of the earth I will stop bringing it up.

The day you stop bringing it up when we are mourning our dead is the day we won't need to mourn out dead anymore.

Sometimes shit sounds better in your head. You should have left it there.

Time to thin the Gene Pool. Have a nice day.

Have fun jerking off.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

this was the most pathetically planned military operation in history.

Pathetic comment of the day so far. A day when we celebrate those young men's heroism, not second guess why things went wrong, from 75 years on.

No one cleared the beach, The defenses were well understood, this was a fuckup that killed thousands of boys not even men yet. You expect the government to admit their idiocy. 7000 planes did not clear the beach

Why do you keep repeating "7000 planes" when you have been repeatedly shown that you are wrong?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You expect the government to admit their idiocy.

Do you think they didn't investigate why the bombs missed, or the navy bombardment was ineffective, or that that information was not released? To me, it only makes what those boys accomplished that day even more amazing.

They investigated JFK too. Why would they say we screwed up and killed how many thousand boys....BOYS NOT MEN

The planes had no chance because of cloud cover, so why were they in the air wasting fuel

I guess they just couldn't see all those clouds from England the night before so they went with what they had. Two and a half months later they were liberating Paris and pushing the Fascist Bastards back towards Motherlandia!

All the adversities you're whining about, only makes what those boys accomplished that day even more amazing.

Figures on this day someone would go negative and blame the planers and pilots as incompetent. Make no mistake, Franny, the OP, is claiming the pilots who flew on D-Day were incompetent and even some were cowards.

Not that the pilots were incompetent but if the cloud cover made targeting impossible, then 7000 planes were in the air wasting fuel. This never should have happened in that weather

Feel free to agree with me because I am not wrong

Ever flown a plane from Point A to Point B? I took off last week from a cloudy, overcast sky with temps in the low 70s and landed in beautiful sunshine and almost 100 degree temps only a few hundred miles away. Guess which one of those locations got the forecast wrong?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yes but if the question is why weren’t the shore defenses at Normandy destroyed prior to invasion, we know the answer. The allies wanted the Germans believing the invasion was to be elsewhere. So, they didn’t bomb those shore defenses.

At any rate, WWII aerial bombing was not that effective in destroying enemy forces. The US bombed NK and Vietnam ruthlessly and more consistently than they did Germany and Japan, but failed to win either war.

I just watched a documentary on that the other night. "The Atlantic Wall".
US and UK bombed the shit out of Germany's infrastructure. But yeah, they didn't bomb the beaches they were going to invade to throw the Krauts off.

And made hamburger out of kids

War never changes.

Sure it does. Can you imagine the public outcry if the thousands upon thousands of young men died assaulting a beach today?

And no one bombed the beach before???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Why bomb a beach that you are not going to invade? The Germans were convinced that D-Day was a ruse.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Aside from the ineffective air bombardment, the naval bombardment was not effective either:

In short, a tremendous tonnage of shells hit the beaches and batteries. The results, for the most part, were terribly disappointing. As anyone who has visited the Normandy beaches will attest, this was not because of inaccurate fire, but rather the result of German skill in fortification building. Seaman Ian Michie, on HMS Orion, a cruiser, was right when he said, "Our shooting was very good and direct hits were soon being recorded. We scored thirteen direct hits on the battery before shifting target." But at Longues-sur-Mer, Pointe-du-Hoc, Port-en-Bessin, St.-Marcouf, Azeville, and the other batteries, the casemates stand today, battered but unbroken. They took many direct hits, dozens in some cases, but even the 14-inch shells failed to penetrate. The shells made pock marks, they knocked away some concrete, they exposed the steel reinforcing rods, but they did not penetrate.

Many of the German gunners inside were rendered deaf or knocked out by concussions. An official report from the Royal Navy admitted that "no serious damage either to the concrete structures or the guns in the strong points" was achieved, but pointed out that the shelling "effectively neutralized the positions by terrifying the enemy personnel in them and by preventing them from manning their weapons and firing on the troops during the landings."

That was wishful thinking. Between the lifting of the naval bombardment and the landing of the first waves, many Germans managed to man their guns and commence firing. Inaccurately, it should be added: they had no spotter planes, and the forward observation posts on the edge of the cliffs were blinded by the smoke, so although they dueled with the battleships and cruisers, sitting at anchor, they scored no hits.

The smaller batteries, pillboxes, and Tobruks, the ones right on the beach or in the bluff above Omaha, also took a pounding and survived. Those on the beach had embrasures opening to the sides, not out to sea, so as to deliver enfilading fire parallel to the shoreline while being fully protected from fire from the warships. As the first wave hit, they came to life, delivering a withering fire at the tanks and infantry.

From the point of view of the soldiers going ashore, the great naval bombardment was as ineffective as the great air bombardment. According to Admiral Morison, the reason was "not enough time was allowed," and the fault was the Army's, not the Navy's, because the Army did not wish the bombardment to start before daylight. In Morison's opinion, H-Hour should have been postponed to 0730 "to give naval gunfire more time to play on beach defenses."

Stephen E. Ambrose, author, "D-Day June 6 1944"

Them big Navy guns never did hit squat, they likely killed more sailors then enemy

That's the most idiotic thing you have posted yet!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches......

Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking?

Who planned this Charlie Brown

Given your youthful age, your ignorance is not surprising.

My father fought on Okinawa...…………………..

Fart on kid

Too bad that happened about a year AFTER Normandy! Dumbass!

 

[Dekster]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches......

Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking?

Who planned this Charlie Brown

A few thousand of these planes were involved in dropping paratroopers. Did they miss the ground or something?

 

[Markle]

this was the most pathetically planned military operation in history.

Pathetic comment of the day so far. A day when we celebrate those young men's heroism, not second guess why things went wrong, from 75 years on.

No one cleared the beach, The defenses were well understood, this was a fuckup that killed thousands of boys not even men yet. You expect the government to admit their idiocy. 7000 planes did not clear the beach

Why do you keep repeating "7000 planes" when you have been repeatedly shown that you are wrong?

Hasn't Frannie been banned? Why too do you respond to him? He's a troll,

 

[Markle]

People, Frannie is a troll and has been banned. He had no purpose but to pull peoples chain on the 75th Anniversary of D-Day. D-Day turned the tide of WW-II. That has never been in dispute.

Frannie created a sock just to play the fool. Unquestionably, he'll be back under some other sock.

 

[Camp]

People, Frannie is a troll and has been banned. He had no purpose but to pull peoples chain on the 75th Anniversary of D-Day. D-Day turned the tide of WW-II. That has never been in dispute.

Frannie created a sock just to play the fool. Unquestionably, he'll be back under some other sock.

Yes, but, the thread has been interesting because some of the posters have the knowledge and interesting insight about D-Day, hence, correcting Fannie's nonsense has probably been of help to those who are not so knowledgable about the topic.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches......

Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking?

Who planned this Charlie Brown

A few thousand of these planes were involved in dropping paratroopers. Did they miss the ground or something?

Actually, many of them missed their drop points and dropped anyway including the gliders. It took quite a bit to bring them into the fight. Weather was a huge factor. You can pick the day but it's hard to get the weather to cooperate.

 

[Dekster]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches......

Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking?

Who planned this Charlie Brown

A few thousand of these planes were involved in dropping paratroopers. Did they miss the ground or something?

Actually, many of them missed their drop points and dropped anyway including the gliders. It took quite a bit to bring them into the fight. Weather was a huge factor. You can pick the day but it's hard to get the weather to cooperate.

Perhaps, but they only had a three day window or they would have had to wait another several weeks to launch. D Day was supposed to be on the 5th but high winds pushed them back a day. The 7th would have been the last day possible as the tides and the moon wouldn't have been favorable. Getting the landing craft in was more important than getting paratroopers in.

 

[Markle]

Perhaps, but they only had a three day window or they would have had to wait another several weeks to launch. D Day was supposed to be on the 5th but high winds pushed them back a day. The 7th would have been the last day possible as the tides and the moon wouldn't have been favorable. Getting the landing craft in was more important than getting paratroopers in.

There had to be a high tide or the landing craft could not get close enough to shore. On the fifth here were terrible storms and most of the troops were seasick. There were still rough seas on the sixth and many of the soldiers were still seasick rendering them less than 100% fit for action. We also had 28 amphibious tanks which had never been tested in anything other than calm seas. All but one went to the bottom with the sea moments after being launched.

Had the invasion not taken place within the next two days, it would have been a disaster. It would have been a month before the tides high enough for the invasion to take place. Thousands of additional lives would have been lost and the invasion could have been a total failure.

 

[Oddball]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches......

Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking?

Who planned this Charlie Brown

They used heavy bombers instead of tac bombers, as were used @ Utah Beach......Also, it would have been helpful to have at least a regiment of paratroopers or glider troops dropped behind Omaha.

The DD tankers weren't taught basic seamanship...This caused them to fixate on their landing targets and turn the broad side of their boat shell against the waves, as the current pulled them off their desired course, causing them to swamp and sink.....The commander of the ship that launched them was also a chickenshit, and launched them too far out into the channel.

The Rangers at Pointe du Hoc always practiced the launching of their grappling hooks with dry ropes...The heavy seas of the day made a lot of the ropes wet, and many of the lines meant to be used scaling the cliffs couldn't be launched to the top of the escarpment.

When it was plain to see that the landing infantry had their asses hanging out with no heavy fire cover, it still took at least an hour longer than necessary to release the DDs to use their 5-inch guns for some artillery support.

There were numerous other fuck-ups that cost lives.....Attributing the bloodbath at Omaha to only one aspect of the plan that didn't go right is overly simplistic.

 

[Markle]

Bottom line?

WE WON!

 

[Frannie]

There should not have been even a living bug on those few beaches where US troops landed. This was one of the biggest fuckups of all time. There were only dozens of German machine gun slots slaughtering boys. Wouldn't a thousand 500lb bombs have cleared the way

You just offered no info to refute what I said, so it stands

Next

Nor did you offer any supporting evidence of your own to support the nonsense you are spouting.

I would have better luck proving who was on the grassy knoll in Dallas. The fact is that if the 500lb bombs landed on the German guns they would have not shot anyone on that beach. Logical

Still no link, I'm pretty sure now that you are running your mouth without the slightest bit of evidence.

Seriously dude, you think it's easy to drop a 500 lb bomb on a fortified concrete pillbox with anti-aircraft guns blazing away at you? Even on a clear day?

I'm done here, what we have is some kid who is yanking our chain.

7000 planes and not one bomb dropped on German beach fortifications.

And the morons elected the fool responsible

 

[Frannie]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches......

Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking?

Who planned this Charlie Brown

A few thousand of these planes were involved in dropping paratroopers. Did they miss the ground or something?

Actually, many of them missed their drop points and dropped anyway including the gliders. It took quite a bit to bring them into the fight. Weather was a huge factor. You can pick the day but it's hard to get the weather to cooperate.

Perhaps, but they only had a three day window or they would have had to wait another several weeks to launch. D Day was supposed to be on the 5th but high winds pushed them back a day. The 7th would have been the last day possible as the tides and the moon wouldn't have been favorable. Getting the landing craft in was more important than getting paratroopers in.

5000 boys died for no reason