facist law forces mom to give birth just to watch the child die 15 minutes later

[newpolitics]

Neb. mom carried non-viable pregnancy due to law | The Associated Press | Nation | San Francisco Examiner

Danielle Deaver was about 22 weeks into her pregnancy when doctors told her she wouldn't be able to carry to term and her child would die soon after birth. Then to her surprise, she learned doctors couldn't end her non-viable pregnancy because of a new Nebraska law barring late-term abortions.

so instead of being able to painlessly end her pregnancy (that she and her doctor wanted, but couldn't) she had to wait around to birth the baby knowing that it was going to die.

another "win" for the fascist social conservatives who want to rule and ruin everyone elses lives

You do know that fascism is a left wing ideology right? You know, like the national socialist party and all that fun stuff you guys like?
Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right."

This, from the very article you posted to try to say that fascism is a left wing ideology.

 

[theHawk]

Neb. mom carried non-viable pregnancy due to law | The Associated Press | Nation | San Francisco Examiner

Danielle Deaver was about 22 weeks into her pregnancy when doctors told her she wouldn't be able to carry to term and her child would die soon after birth. Then to her surprise, she learned doctors couldn't end her non-viable pregnancy because of a new Nebraska law barring late-term abortions.

so instead of being able to painlessly end her pregnancy (that she and her doctor wanted, but couldn't) she had to wait around to birth the baby knowing that it was going to die.

another "win" for the fascist social conservatives who want to rule and ruin everyone elses lives

Yup, I'm sure you lost a lot of sleep knowing she couldn't kill the baby sooner than its natural death.

 

[theHawk]

Neb. mom carried non-viable pregnancy due to law | The Associated Press | Nation | San Francisco Examiner



so instead of being able to painlessly end her pregnancy (that she and her doctor wanted, but couldn't) she had to wait around to birth the baby knowing that it was going to die.

another "win" for the fascist social conservatives who want to rule and ruin everyone elses lives

You do know that fascism is a left wing ideology right? You know, like the national socialist party and all that fun stuff you guys like?
Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right."

This, from the very article you posted to try to say that fascism is a left wing ideology.

Fascism needs big government in order to work. Big government, whether its fascism or communism/socialism is contrary to the ideals of the American "Right".

 

[Dr.Drock]

You do know that fascism is a left wing ideology right? You know, like the national socialist party and all that fun stuff you guys like?
Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right."

This, from the very article you posted to try to say that fascism is a left wing ideology.

Fascism needs big government in order to work. Big government, whether its fascism or communism/socialism is contrary to the ideals of the American "Right".

Not really, both the "right" and the "left" want big government, they just want their version of it.

I never heard a republican voter complain about the enormous government program the republicans created "Department of Homeland Security."

Reps want our country bankrupted via foreign policy, Dems want it bankrupted via welfare/social security/other domestic policies.

Both are equally "yucky" to me.

 

[theHawk]

"Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right."

This, from the very article you posted to try to say that fascism is a left wing ideology.

Fascism needs big government in order to work. Big government, whether its fascism or communism/socialism is contrary to the ideals of the American "Right".

Not really, both the "right" and the "left" want big government, they just want their version of it.

I never heard a republican voter complain about the enormous government program the republicans created "Department of Homeland Security."

Reps want our country bankrupted via foreign policy, Dems want it bankrupted via welfare/social security/other domestic policies.

Both are equally "yucky" to me.

And then there are conservatives like me who believe we only really need a Department of Justice and a military funded by Fed tax dollars.

The rest of it can be chopped.

 

[frazzledgear]

I don't know how I could have been any clearer. There is such thing as a political spectrum hence why we talk of the right, middle, and the left. The far left being communism, as you go towards the center you pass through liberalism, then you have the center, and moving to the right you have conservatism, and finally, all the way to the right you have fascism, hence, communism and fascism are literally at two opposite ends of the spectrum.

Am I mistaken? Can someone back me up on this? I thought this was basic political science.

You are so far wrong its rediculous. different types of authoritarianism does not exist on both ends of the spectrum, they exist on the same end of the spectrum.

I don't know who taught you this, but they were wrong. Don't believe everything you are told. Google it, I'm telling you. This is basic stuff, man.

Sorry but Benatuf is CORRECT! Authoritarian governments do NOT exist on both ends of the political spectrum! That is one of THE biggest and most successful lies of the LEFT. And the reason they lie about it is so they can deceive people like YOU and keep the debate to one they believe they can win -because they know they can't win any other.

If you are indoctrinated to believe that authoritarian (totalitarian) governments exist at both ends of the political spectrum, then you can be led to believe the only real debate is who is going to wield all that government power. I don't give a flying fuck what Google says about it - that is NOT how to determine the truth on this one because one side is LYING about it!

The opposite of one totalitarian state is NOT another one! That isn't "opposite" at all, is it? That is like saying the opposite of "happy" is actually "happy"! You going to buy that one too? Come on -try to work on those critical thinking skills.

The opposite of totalitarianism -government with total control over the individual -is ANARCHY -the lack of any government at all! THOSE are opposite states while two totalitarian states are actually the SAME THING.

Totalitarianism is LEFTWING EXTREMISM and born of leftist ideology -always. It doesn't matter what that totalitarian state calls itself and it doesn't matter why those who favor it want that totalitarian state! ALL totalitarian governments are by definition LEFTWING and NONE of them are "rightwing" ones. Communism, Nazism, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, Mao Tse Tung, Hugo Chavez, Castro, the Iranian mullahs running Iran are ALL leftwing extremists and not a one of them is "right wing". Not ONE. Their disagreements with each other would ONLY involve which of them should be wielding that massive government power that they ALL want. They ALL agree on the same basic fundamental principles of leftwing ideology of a large, powerful government with near total control of the individual. THAT is what makes them ALL leftwing. Not WHY they want such a government or what they want to do with the power -but the fact they desire and favor that system of government in the first place! They all favor the same kind of massive, powerful government with total or near total control of the individual. THAT automatically makes them ALL leftwingers!

What determines whether someone is leftwing is the system of government they seek right off the bat! Not WHY they favor it, not who they think should be running it, not what they want to do with it. Just the fact they want that kind of government in the first place! And don't confuse the faux anarchists with real anarchists. Real anarchists want no government at all -ever. But faux anarchists are actually leftwing extremists who believe creating chaos will result in people demanding government fix it and thereby take greater powers. If you hear about communists and anarchists doing something together or working together for some purpose -those are NOT anarchists and are actually leftwing extremists working for the same large, massive powerful government any leftwing desires.

The left likes to pretend the only political debate in this country is about which side will be wielding all that massive government power THEY seek and want people to believe both left and right seek that same kind of massive government power. So they want the debate to be about who wields that massive power and they avoid like hell any debate about whether government should be ALLOWED to gain that size and power in the first place. NO government is capable of turning on their own people until it first has the size and power to do so. Rightwingers oppose allowing government to even reach that kind of size and power in the first place because history has repeatedly proven what happens when it does. They not only don't want the left to wield that kind of power -they don't want to either! They want NO ONE to have it no matter WHY they insist they want it! Claiming the left and right extremes both end up with totalitarian states is one of THE most successful lies of the left and the fact you repeat it again here only proves how deeply entrenched the lie is. The left needs people to believe both sides are actually seeking a huge government with massive powers and control of the individual when in fact only one side is. But if they can convince people both extremes will end up in totalitarianism, then they can present the strawman argument that its better to go with those claiming they want that power for all sorts of "touchy-feely" reasons while insisting their opponents want it to re-create the Nazi state and start mass murdering its own citizens. Oh gee, who you going with if you believe that one? But in reality the right believes government should never have that kind of size and power -no matter who would be wielding the power. If they can portray it as a choice between Hitler and Stalin, they think they can win it! But in reality Hitler and Stalin come from the identical place! The LEFT.

Stalin once claimed that Nazism was the opposite of communism -which was a LIE. A BLATANT LIE. Both the Nazis and communists want the very same thing -an all powerful, massive government with near total control of the individual -and only disagreed about which of them should be running it. How is that "opposite"? The opposite of one totalitarian state is NEVER another one and you have to a moron to believe that. Seriously. Just like you would have to be a moron to believe the opposite of "happy" is ...."happy". If its the same thing -then it isn't an opposite. Leftwing and rightwing political ideologies are NOT the same thing and the underlying principles of each are totally different with regard to who should have the real power -the people or GOVERNMENT. Which leads to the FACT that the extremes of each lead to OPPOSITE forms of government. Totalitarianism and anarchy. Which are OPPOSITES. Not "totalitarian" and "totalitarian".

Just because a fucking communist once said it doesn't make it true -but it is something the left has been repeating EVER since and with a great deal of success! They glommed onto it as the perfect tool to try and change the very nature of the political debate from a debate about the size and power of government which they lose -to one about who controls all that massive government power and control over the individual. Liberals have been repeating this lie ever since because it allows them to portray US conservatives as desiring a Nazi state when in fact US conservatives oppose allowing government to even reach the size and accumulate the power to become such a state!

Keeping people politically ignorant about what is really "leftwing" or "rightwing" benefits the LEFT and it is one of their most successful lies and it starts in our public schools. It is NOT one the founders ever fell for though and they kept the political debate entirely focused on how to limit the size and power of government entirely in order to PREVENT a totalitarian state!

If the political spectrum were a straight line, liberals would be on the left, our government as it exists today would be left of center and US conservatives would be right of center. But our government as it was created by our founders was even FURTHER to the right of modern US conservatives. In fact the reason the founders had to go back and redo the Constitution after it became obvious their first efforts with the Articles of Confederation would not work because it was too close to ANARCHY and government not having even the minimal kind of power needed to effectively carry out the limited role they gave it. Our founders were near ANARCHISTS and MORE rightwing than modern US conservatives. And the US was the ONLY nation that got its start with a serious attempt to flirt with ANARCHY. The OPPOSITE OF THE TOTALITARIAN STATE which is the natural outcome of leftwing ideology. Again, it doesn't matter WHY anyone would an authoritarian government -it is the fact they DO that makes them leftwing. And those who do NOT and whose thinking is more in line with our founders with a small, decentralized, weaker federal government are RIGHTWINGERS. Nazis are leftwingers who just disagree with other leftwingers about who gets all that power, not whether government should even have it.