F35 - superfighter or lame duck?

[DrainBamage]

The ones designed for the Israelis had the larger weapons bays, I think.

Israeli F-35s will have the standard weapons bay of the F-35A, size won't be modified.

Their first batch will be stock F-35s that they will install various Israeli systems on, if I remember correctly it was mainly related to electronic attack, different weapons, software to support those weapons, and different wing tips. I think they were doing conformal fuel tanks to since they don't have the refueling logistics like the US and need the strike range into Iran. Later planes are supposedly going to be delivered completely configured as their Adir version with addons built in ground up, not sure when that is supposed to start happening.

 

[DrainBamage]

thats the talking point anyway.

Classic example of Manonthestreet's willingness to suspend reality to say something utterly stupid.

Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 121 is deployed to Iwakuni Japan with operational F-35Bs.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

thats the talking point anyway.

Classic example of Manonthestreet's willingness to suspend reality to say something utterly stupid.

Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 121 is deployed to Iwakuni Japan with operational F-35Bs.

It's funny. The AV8B is going to be around a bit longer. Not because they don't have enough F-35Bs but that the F-18C/Ds are having to be ground at such a high rate and there isn't enough funding to replace them with new F-18E/Fs. They want to keep as many asses in the air as possible.

 

[DrainBamage]

F-18C/Ds are having to be ground at such a high rate

(channeling manonthestreet)

F-18s don't work! They are hangar queens that will get our pilots killed! Mach 1.8 too slow, an SU-30 flying clean with no armament would shoot those F-18s out of the sky since it would be faster and higher.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

F-18C/Ds are having to be ground at such a high rate

(channeling manonthestreet)

F-18s don't work! They are hangar queens that will get our pilots killed! Mach 1.8 too slow, an SU-30 flying clean with no armament would shoot those F-18s out of the sky since it would be faster and higher.

Manopause always uses the ground version of the SU-30. The Carrier version is just as doggy. In the original flyoff between the F-16 and the F-17, the F-16 barely edged out the F-17. But by the time the F-17 became a carrier bird, it was quite a bit heavier. Same goes for almost any carrier bird after the F-4. You don't get something for nothing.

Besides, the F-18C/D is the old Hornet and they have been flown hard and put away wet too many times and badly need replacement. The AF is having the same problem with their older F-15/16s. If you want to kill pilots at a high rate, go into combat with these older birds. Or you can buy new ones like the F-35A and F-18E/F Super hornets right now. The F-35C just isn't quite ready to go onto that list.

The Marines are in the worst shape since a large percentage of their F-18s are of the C/D.

 

[DrainBamage]

while having no IR signature reduction whatsoever

no ir reduction whatsover

This is a typical Manonthestreet analysis where he makes a lot of assumptions without really having a clue what he is talking about.

First of all the F-135 engine has a very high bypass ratio (more air) which is a far greater factor in IR signature, Manonstreet is making an (understandable but) incorrect assumption that higher thrust = higher external temperatures. Other IR reduction features include venting to reduce internal temperatures, IR reduction in the stealth coating, shaping to hide the exhause from the sides, and the jagged nozzle that forces vortexes of air around the exhaust to further damper external heat signature. No, they don't make the engine nozzle jagged just to look cool.

 

[DrainBamage]

thats the talking point anyway.

Here are the F-35Asl, which don't work and aren't operational, arriving for their overseas deployment to Lakenheath UK to work with other US and NATO assets.

 

[DrainBamage]

they still can't attack fast-moving targets on the ground at all, a key capability for aircraft supporting troops on the ground.

Besides the obvious error in your claim that F-35 can't hit a fast moving target (pilot can lead it with laser like they have been trained to do for decades) we can also note that the next software release 3F will include Lead Target Compute so that older munitions like GBU-12 can take advantage of the plane's software handling the lead, in addition to newer LGBs that have the lead built into the munition itself.

F-35C targeting system guides weapon to moving target > Edwards Air Force Base > News

“(The pilot) doesn’t have to think about how fast the target’s going, or what direction,” O’Fallon said. “By him using this 3F capability, it’s doing all the weaponeering for him. That’s really the big thing, it’s a single-seat fighter. He’s got to do it all, so we want to do as much for him as we can.” Although the GBU-12 was inert, it still made short work of its intended target, a small pickup truck.

 

[DrainBamage]

The F-35 that Manonthestreet says "doesn't work" (the one with the 20-1 kill ratio in Red Flag) is deploying to Estonia for a few weeks of training.'

F-35 Lightning II jets to arrive in Estonia on Tuesday
According to information available to ERR, American Lockheed Martin F-35 Lighting II aircraft will arrive at Ämari air base on Tuesday. The jets will remain in Estonia for several weeks and conduct training flights with other aircraft of the U.S. and allied air forces.

 

[DrainBamage]

Two F-35s that Manonthestreet claims don't work and can't be deployed have just deployed to Bulgaria.

USAF 5th-Generation Fighter Jets Arrive in Bulgaria | at DefenceTalk

These movements were planned in advance and in close coordination with the Bulgarian government, Eucom officials said. The deployment allows the F-35A pilots and supporting airmen the opportunity to engage in familiarization training within the European theater while reassuring allies and partners of U.S. dedication to the enduring peace and stability of the region, according to U.S. Air Forces in Europe officials. The aircraft and airmen are from the Air Force’s 34th Fighter Squadron and the Air Force Reserve’s 466th Fighter Squadron. Both units are based at Hill Air Force Base, Utah.

The F-35A’s were joined by an Air Force KC-135 Stratotanker, which departed from Royal Air Force Mildenhall, England. The air refueler is an Air Force Reserve aircraft forward-deployed from the 459th Air Reserve Wing at Andrews Air Force Base, Maryland, and showcases the command’s ability to employ active and reserve airmen across the globe, Eucom officials said.

As the first European flying training deployment for the F-35A, these movements signify an important milestone and natural progression of the joint strike fighter program throughout Europe, the officials said.

 

[I amso IR]

“It's Like Fighting Mr. Invisible”: How I Went to War Against Stealth F-22 Raptors and F-35s (And Lost Badly)

If you can get through the first several paragraphs of what I term, "I felt like an honest to God, real live pilot and jet jockey "boost", the article is in it's brevity very interesting. It shows how deadly the F22/F35/British "Typhoon", are in pairing up for the fight. A sense of despair exists, at the minimum! How you doing Daryl?

 

[Manonthestreet]

Two F-35s that Manonthestreet claims don't work and can't be deployed have just deployed to Bulgaria.

USAF 5th-Generation Fighter Jets Arrive in Bulgaria | at DefenceTalk

These movements were planned in advance and in close coordination with the Bulgarian government, Eucom officials said. The deployment allows the F-35A pilots and supporting airmen the opportunity to engage in familiarization training within the European theater while reassuring allies and partners of U.S. dedication to the enduring peace and stability of the region, according to U.S. Air Forces in Europe officials. The aircraft and airmen are from the Air Force’s 34th Fighter Squadron and the Air Force Reserve’s 466th Fighter Squadron. Both units are based at Hill Air Force Base, Utah.

The F-35A’s were joined by an Air Force KC-135 Stratotanker, which departed from Royal Air Force Mildenhall, England. The air refueler is an Air Force Reserve aircraft forward-deployed from the 459th Air Reserve Wing at Andrews Air Force Base, Maryland, and showcases the command’s ability to employ active and reserve airmen across the globe, Eucom officials said.

As the first European flying training deployment for the F-35A, these movements signify an important milestone and natural progression of the joint strike fighter program throughout Europe, the officials said.

2? Oh wow....bet they could shott down entire Russian AF by themself and never be seen........LLMMAAOOOOO Nothing but a sales pitch....

 

[I amso IR]

Two F-35s that Manonthestreet claims don't work and can't be deployed have just deployed to Bulgaria.

USAF 5th-Generation Fighter Jets Arrive in Bulgaria | at DefenceTalk

These movements were planned in advance and in close coordination with the Bulgarian government, Eucom officials said. The deployment allows the F-35A pilots and supporting airmen the opportunity to engage in familiarization training within the European theater while reassuring allies and partners of U.S. dedication to the enduring peace and stability of the region, according to U.S. Air Forces in Europe officials. The aircraft and airmen are from the Air Force’s 34th Fighter Squadron and the Air Force Reserve’s 466th Fighter Squadron. Both units are based at Hill Air Force Base, Utah.

The F-35A’s were joined by an Air Force KC-135 Stratotanker, which departed from Royal Air Force Mildenhall, England. The air refueler is an Air Force Reserve aircraft forward-deployed from the 459th Air Reserve Wing at Andrews Air Force Base, Maryland, and showcases the command’s ability to employ active and reserve airmen across the globe, Eucom officials said.

As the first European flying training deployment for the F-35A, these movements signify an important milestone and natural progression of the joint strike fighter program throughout Europe, the officials said.

2? Oh wow....bet they could shott down entire Russian AF by themself and never be seen........LLMMAAOOOOO Nothing but a sales pitch....

Oh well! MOS give it a rest. The article gives the Journalist a chance to toot his own horn along with some fact concerning the F22, F35, and British Tornado. They were successful and the enemy were unable to see them in time to defend themselves. You, in other posts, tout the speed factor during supersonic flight as attained by the Russians while the primary point is, you cannot shoot or chase what you cannot see while he tracking you all along. Get really real old son! Fast flight is only valuable when running, chasing or getting out of your girlfriends house when Hubby comes home. Get used to it!

 

[Manonthestreet]

Two F-35s that Manonthestreet claims don't work and can't be deployed have just deployed to Bulgaria.

USAF 5th-Generation Fighter Jets Arrive in Bulgaria | at DefenceTalk

These movements were planned in advance and in close coordination with the Bulgarian government, Eucom officials said. The deployment allows the F-35A pilots and supporting airmen the opportunity to engage in familiarization training within the European theater while reassuring allies and partners of U.S. dedication to the enduring peace and stability of the region, according to U.S. Air Forces in Europe officials. The aircraft and airmen are from the Air Force’s 34th Fighter Squadron and the Air Force Reserve’s 466th Fighter Squadron. Both units are based at Hill Air Force Base, Utah.

The F-35A’s were joined by an Air Force KC-135 Stratotanker, which departed from Royal Air Force Mildenhall, England. The air refueler is an Air Force Reserve aircraft forward-deployed from the 459th Air Reserve Wing at Andrews Air Force Base, Maryland, and showcases the command’s ability to employ active and reserve airmen across the globe, Eucom officials said.

As the first European flying training deployment for the F-35A, these movements signify an important milestone and natural progression of the joint strike fighter program throughout Europe, the officials said.

2? Oh wow....bet they could shott down entire Russian AF by themself and never be seen........LLMMAAOOOOO Nothing but a sales pitch....

Oh well! MOS give it a rest. The article gives the Journalist a chance to toot his own horn along with some fact concerning the F22, F35, and British Tornado. They were successful and the enemy were unable to see them in time to defend themselves. You, in other posts, tout the speed factor during supersonic flight as attained by the Russians while the primary point is, you cannot shoot or chase what you cannot see while he tracking you all along. Get really real old son! Fast flight is only valuable when running, chasing or getting out of your girlfriends house when Hubby comes home. Get used to it!

F22 much better plane than f35 which everyone admits is not an air supe platform....meaning they cant clear the skies of aggressors.....meaning they will get shot down

 

[I amso IR]

Two F-35s that Manonthestreet claims don't work and can't be deployed have just deployed to Bulgaria.

USAF 5th-Generation Fighter Jets Arrive in Bulgaria | at DefenceTalk

These movements were planned in advance and in close coordination with the Bulgarian government, Eucom officials said. The deployment allows the F-35A pilots and supporting airmen the opportunity to engage in familiarization training within the European theater while reassuring allies and partners of U.S. dedication to the enduring peace and stability of the region, according to U.S. Air Forces in Europe officials. The aircraft and airmen are from the Air Force’s 34th Fighter Squadron and the Air Force Reserve’s 466th Fighter Squadron. Both units are based at Hill Air Force Base, Utah.

The F-35A’s were joined by an Air Force KC-135 Stratotanker, which departed from Royal Air Force Mildenhall, England. The air refueler is an Air Force Reserve aircraft forward-deployed from the 459th Air Reserve Wing at Andrews Air Force Base, Maryland, and showcases the command’s ability to employ active and reserve airmen across the globe, Eucom officials said.

As the first European flying training deployment for the F-35A, these movements signify an important milestone and natural progression of the joint strike fighter program throughout Europe, the officials said.

2? Oh wow....bet they could shott down entire Russian AF by themself and never be seen........LLMMAAOOOOO Nothing but a sales pitch....

Oh well! MOS give it a rest. The article gives the Journalist a chance to toot his own horn along with some fact concerning the F22, F35, and British Tornado. They were successful and the enemy were unable to see them in time to defend themselves. You, in other posts, tout the speed factor during supersonic flight as attained by the Russians while the primary point is, you cannot shoot or chase what you cannot see while he tracking you all along. Get really real old son! Fast flight is only valuable when running, chasing or getting out of your girlfriends house when Hubby comes home. Get used to it!

F22 much better plane than f35 which everyone admits is not an air supe platform....meaning they cant clear the skies of aggressors.....meaning they will get shot down

Not everyone makes that statement including many currently rated pilots. Please do not take that as an insult as you have far to much going for you for me to insult, outright. But if you do not mind I will accept their testimony against yours. Stay friendly as I suspect you also, find that a much better way to communicate.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Two F-35s that Manonthestreet claims don't work and can't be deployed have just deployed to Bulgaria.

USAF 5th-Generation Fighter Jets Arrive in Bulgaria | at DefenceTalk

These movements were planned in advance and in close coordination with the Bulgarian government, Eucom officials said. The deployment allows the F-35A pilots and supporting airmen the opportunity to engage in familiarization training within the European theater while reassuring allies and partners of U.S. dedication to the enduring peace and stability of the region, according to U.S. Air Forces in Europe officials. The aircraft and airmen are from the Air Force’s 34th Fighter Squadron and the Air Force Reserve’s 466th Fighter Squadron. Both units are based at Hill Air Force Base, Utah.

The F-35A’s were joined by an Air Force KC-135 Stratotanker, which departed from Royal Air Force Mildenhall, England. The air refueler is an Air Force Reserve aircraft forward-deployed from the 459th Air Reserve Wing at Andrews Air Force Base, Maryland, and showcases the command’s ability to employ active and reserve airmen across the globe, Eucom officials said.

As the first European flying training deployment for the F-35A, these movements signify an important milestone and natural progression of the joint strike fighter program throughout Europe, the officials said.

2? Oh wow....bet they could shott down entire Russian AF by themself and never be seen........LLMMAAOOOOO Nothing but a sales pitch....

Oh well! MOS give it a rest. The article gives the Journalist a chance to toot his own horn along with some fact concerning the F22, F35, and British Tornado. They were successful and the enemy were unable to see them in time to defend themselves. You, in other posts, tout the speed factor during supersonic flight as attained by the Russians while the primary point is, you cannot shoot or chase what you cannot see while he tracking you all along. Get really real old son! Fast flight is only valuable when running, chasing or getting out of your girlfriends house when Hubby comes home. Get used to it!

F22 much better plane than f35 which everyone admits is not an air supe platform....meaning they cant clear the skies of aggressors.....meaning they will get shot down

Not everyone makes that statement including many currently rated pilots. Please do not take that as an insult as you have far to much going for you for me to insult, outright. But if you do not mind I will accept their testimony against yours. Stay friendly as I suspect you also, find that a much better way to communicate.

Look at its own designation...strike fighter.......that aint air supe
America's F-35 Stealth Fighter vs. Russia's Su-35: Who Wins?

 

[I amso IR]

Two F-35s that Manonthestreet claims don't work and can't be deployed have just deployed to Bulgaria.

USAF 5th-Generation Fighter Jets Arrive in Bulgaria | at DefenceTalk

These movements were planned in advance and in close coordination with the Bulgarian government, Eucom officials said. The deployment allows the F-35A pilots and supporting airmen the opportunity to engage in familiarization training within the European theater while reassuring allies and partners of U.S. dedication to the enduring peace and stability of the region, according to U.S. Air Forces in Europe officials. The aircraft and airmen are from the Air Force’s 34th Fighter Squadron and the Air Force Reserve’s 466th Fighter Squadron. Both units are based at Hill Air Force Base, Utah.

The F-35A’s were joined by an Air Force KC-135 Stratotanker, which departed from Royal Air Force Mildenhall, England. The air refueler is an Air Force Reserve aircraft forward-deployed from the 459th Air Reserve Wing at Andrews Air Force Base, Maryland, and showcases the command’s ability to employ active and reserve airmen across the globe, Eucom officials said.

As the first European flying training deployment for the F-35A, these movements signify an important milestone and natural progression of the joint strike fighter program throughout Europe, the officials said.

2? Oh wow....bet they could shott down entire Russian AF by themself and never be seen........LLMMAAOOOOO Nothing but a sales pitch....

Oh well! MOS give it a rest. The article gives the Journalist a chance to toot his own horn along with some fact concerning the F22, F35, and British Tornado. They were successful and the enemy were unable to see them in time to defend themselves. You, in other posts, tout the speed factor during supersonic flight as attained by the Russians while the primary point is, you cannot shoot or chase what you cannot see while he tracking you all along. Get really real old son! Fast flight is only valuable when running, chasing or getting out of your girlfriends house when Hubby comes home. Get used to it!

F22 much better plane than f35 which everyone admits is not an air supe platform....meaning they cant clear the skies of aggressors.....meaning they will get shot down

Not everyone makes that statement including many currently rated pilots. Please do not take that as an insult as you have far to much going for you for me to insult, outright. But if you do not mind I will accept their testimony against yours. Stay friendly as I suspect you also, find that a much better way to communicate.

Look at its own designation...strike fighter.......that aint air supe
America's F-35 Stealth Fighter vs. Russia's Su-35: Who Wins?

Air superiority is just that. Being it does all things well, depending upon it's design and limitation. Should a MIG 15 sneak in upon a B1 bomber, kick it's butt and send it earth bound where it burns brightly in the darkness which is the superior of the two? Please do not respond with a MIG 15 will never be able to sneak up on a B1 with the defense measures we employ because that is exactly how you base your arguments against the F35. The F35 is not the fastest bird in the air, granted. The F22 is one of the fastest birds aloft however and what if the same MIG 15 were able to get with in range before being detected? Who or which would be superior in that fight? Now I cannot recall the Russian aircraft you mentioned a few posts back but then lets assume it is not aware until the ground control or countermeasures see the F35 and the F35 has a missle en route from it's counter measures protections which was launched prior to our Russian friend being alerted was locked on and fixing to fly up Russia's arse, who was superior in that contest? Using those guidelines which our military calls "shoot, scoot and communicate" with the combined strength of being linked to many assets, which provide the computers the info the pilots need to stay in the loop, who would you give an advantage too. If you cannot honestly answer that question without postulating, you fail. It is that simple, clear and unvarnished. The F35 does not possess "Super Cruise" because it does not need "super cruise" and can hobble along at 950/1000 miles an hour and survive. And unless, once again, you are running, chasing, or leaving your girl friends house, super cruise is a waste of gas, time and energy. It is intended not to dogfight. Why dogfight when you can smack the other guy on the back of his head by his not realizing you have him hooked up. And should he see you he had better to fight the F22, F18, Brit Tornado, as well as French, German, Israel and anyone else who is in the game while the F35 is flying in circles observing and directing traffic to defeat Ivan. Why do you have trouble understand the F35's mission. It and it's pilot are traffic cops in the true sense of the world who are also skilled fighters and well trained pugilists who know their way around. Please, I beg of you, read and understand/absorbe my words and their meaning, the F35 is in fact a multi purpose aircraft with superb awareness and support which gives it thumbs up. An aircraft which costs what it does cost had better be a jack of all trades and the master of all of them. Just the same as Dung Fong Ill who can jump 20 feet straight up and fly over his pursuer. Can you hear me now, is all I ask? If you disagree that's fine but at least produce more than "just look at it's designation". Piss on it's designation, look at what it does. Lost to a F16, big deal! Past news which has been proven untrue and not factual no matter who writes the story. And so what as that was then and it is now two years later and the F16 has been retired, just like my MIG15. Cheers old son.

 

[Marion Morrison]

F35 is not the greatest program ever endeavored.

It's not a total bust, either, so somewhere in-between I suppose, slightly above fair-to-middling.

 

[I amso IR]

F35 is not the greatest program ever endeavored.

It's not a total bust, either, so somewhere in-between I suppose, slightly above fair-to-middling.

What then is one of the greatest endeavored.

 

[Marion Morrison]

F35 is not the greatest program ever endeavored.

It's not a total bust, either, so somewhere in-between I suppose, slightly above fair-to-middling.

What then is one of the greatest endeavored.

The one that's been the most combat tactically successful.