F35 - superfighter or lame duck?

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  1. Daryl Hunt
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    It's an EC and RC game. You know he's out there somewhere. But it's going to require visual to do it. Flying high won't cut it. You lost the GAC that the Russians rely on so heavily. This is actually an old scenario from the 80s that was presented. The only fighter that had any chance of success of intercepting was the Mig-25. All others didn't have the speed from ground launch. Plus, the Mig-25 was the only Soviet Fighter with the possible radar to pull it off. I would say that there was as much a chance of failure as there was as of success.
     
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    And yet the buy is on old ...all your bs doesn't negate that. By time they get done replacing F-15s that'll be several yrs down the road ....order may as well be cancelled. Big article in real clear defense today arguing against cancelling US F35 buy ....very curious .....wouldn't ya say ...post it later
     
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    Flying high gives you the best chance to visually spot the aircraft. Low and fast and you are viewing a very small swath of ocean. High and low speed and you get to scan far more ocean for your target. You already have a target area, you simply do a time/distance eventual homeplate calculation, and you KNOW the target has to be along a certain vector. All you have to do is intercept it. The EC-130 actually helps the MiG because you automatically know the target MUST be within the region of coverage.

    That's why if you don't have a MiGcap, you are in deep trouble.
     
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    https://www.realcleardefense.com/ar...ir_superiority_they_need_the_f-35_113685.html
    Could the US buy be in jeopardy...what have the Israelis learned that made them "postpone final buy? Great sensor platform but very limited weapons capability....perhaps limiting them to say twice your F117 would make more sense. To buy F35 bs you have to believe in the one missile one kill mantra...which never happens in real world. Once in a dogfight it has no way to exit until someone is dead or out of ammo because its too slow.Its a specialty platform, not backbone fighter they bill it as.
     
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    You continue to post things that scream "clueless" in this thread, it's free entertainment.

    They are using F-15s and F-35s for different roles, they aren't going to replace F-15s with F-35s down the road. They would replace the F-16Is with F-35s.
     
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    So let me get this straight, Mr. "I've got the most links" who measures his knowledge in ability to regurgitate is posting an article where a veteran pilot says:

    "If we want to fight, win, and live to fly another day, we need the F-35"

    Sounds like you've got a serious case of selective sourcing Mr. Links.

    They will carry six AAMs internally in AA role, which is actually quite comparable to other modern fighters. You really should read up on things before you post about them.

    And here he is again not understand the speed thing, so let's try the same question:

    Article was posted where F-15 pilot says his F-15 (top speed clean mach 2.5) maxed out at mach 1.8 in combat load, because of increased drag.
    An SU-35 has a clean top speed of mach 2.25, so using same function would probably be about mach 1.55 in combat configuration.
    An F-16s top speed is about mach 2 clean, can you guess how fast it flies in combat configuration? I'm not sure, maybe mach 1.2?
    An F-18's top speed is mach 1.8 clean, same question. Take a guess.

    An F-35's top speed is mach 1.6, and with internal weapons it's top speed in combat configuration is exactly the same at mach 1.6. Are you really so dense you can't figure out how stupid you sound when you constantly focus on F-35's top speed? You don't have to answer that.

    Odds of Manonthestreet actually responding to this point and explaining what magic universe he lives in where Russian planes all fly around with those large Russian AAMs and gas bags yet suffer no kinematic penalty like US planes do... ZERO.
     
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    You keep saying things I didnt say to try to make yourself look smart......nobody wants to address fact they aren't ordering the last batch as planned.....First nation to use it in "combat" or operationally and this would seem to point to them being underwhelmed with it. Too expesive to risk in ground support where stealth matters not.....and point defense fighter at best. Team it with flock of drones ya may have something.....
     
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    Again you miss the point....why does such an article need to written at this juncture.....I would guess the Israelis have learned some unpleasant truth about it and shared those with US counterparts. We've produced around 300 of them and none have been used.....stuff like that would cause a thinking person to go...hhhmmmm eh.....but keep regurgitating corp line and dont be surprised when its learned we have a flying version of LCS ie totally worthless except for menial tasks
     
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    Come on dude, nobody needs to make any effort to look smart when responding to "All combat loaded aircraft fly at their listed max speed" guy who brags he posts the most links.

    Okay let's look at your conclusion that their combat experience with F-35 was the reason they are buying more F-15s.

    From May 17: Israel to link fleet upgrade with follow-on F-15I buy
    Israel has proposed a deal to purchase additional Boeing F-15s, in a package that would also include upgrading the Israeli air force's existing I-model examples of the strike aircraft. Worth almost $4 billion, the potential purchase would include 25 twin-engined F-15Is in an advanced configuration. The new version's airframe would have an extended lifespan and enhanced features including a large-area cockpit display. The purchase of additional F-15s has recently gained priority for the Israeli air force's high command over ordering aircraft for a third squadron of Lockheed Martin F-35Is. The rationale for this decision is that while the F-35's stealth features are essential at the start of a conflict, the type will need be flown during later combat sorties in conjunction with assets capable of carrying a heavier weapons load.



    They are going with a F-35/F-15 mix because they need a platform that can haul 5,000lb class weapons really far, hello Iran. If this news was coming out in May 17 they were making the analysis and proposal for F-15s well before F-35 was used in combat, so you have a serious logic fail.

    http://aviationweek.com/defense/why-israelis-want-larger-more-modern-f-15-fleet
    The decision to embark on this upgrade program was made two years ago, in spite of the nation’s planned purchase of the Lockheed Martin F-35. An Israeli source says the air force is looking as far ahead as 40 years. “The F-15 has a lot of advantages. It can be equipped with Israeli-developed systems, an upgrade that can be performed on the F-35 to a clear limit,” says the source. Israel regards its F-15 fleet to be the backbone of its attacking capability. As such, it is considering the purchase of additional F-15s....

    ...The clear tendency in the Israeli Air Force is to first purchase additional new F-15s and only then consider whether to fulfill the original plan of 75 F-35s. In November 2016, the Israeli cabinet approved the purchase of another 17 Lockheed Martin F-35s, for a total 50 of the stealth fighters. Israeli sources say talks continue with the U.S. Defense Department about the potential purchase of 20-25 advanced F-15s..



    Yet another logic fail, an F-35A costs significantly less than a brand new F-15I.
     
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    F-22 entered service in 2005, and was "used" in 12 years later. F-35 was declared combat ready two years ago.

    A thinking man would have considered that before posting something so stupid.

    Boy that sure was tough predicting that Manonthestreet would ignore for at least the 5th time the reason his constant harping about F-35 top speed makes no sense.

    This time was beautiful because you actually responded to the post, just put the blinders on for the part that dumps you in the toilet.

    Chirp... chirp..
     

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