F-35s jets and S-400 missiles

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    S-400 missiles can hit targets 400 kilometers away. No fighter jets can fire missiles 400 kilometers away.

    Stealth is the only sophisticated feature that will save F-35 jets from Russian S-400 missiles. Many countries are buying S-400s when many countries are buying F-35 stealth jets.
     
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    Range is important, but not the only factor.

    ECM (Electronic Counter Measures) vs ECCM (Electronic Counter-Counter Measures) is far more important.

    Tactics, stealth, and cyber-attacks also factor highly.
     
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    You're right, jets can't fire missiles that far, but they really don't need to. All they really have to do is send in radar jammers in ahead of the jets doing the attack and they can stop the missiles.

    When I was in, the preferred airframe was the EA6B Prowler. Was easily spotted on the flight deck because it looked like an Intruder, but the tail section had a huge bulge on the top, and there were 4 crew members in the Prowler, where the Intruder only had 2.
     
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    You know the earth curves right?

    Sure it's a system of systems where tracking/targeting radar might be in a different location but it's not like you just build a missile that can fly 400 kilometers and hit planes that far away that you can't even see because they are below the radar horizon. Also, the max range of missiles usually has a very small hit probability, it's like the max speed/range of aircraft more theoretical than practical.
     
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    And the best way to crush enemy's AAD is to send your tanks against it. Sure, there is no and can not be any "absolutely invincible defence". The only question is how much resourses you need to crush it. And from this point of view S-400 can be very good acquisition.
     
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    Actually, the best way to take out AAD is to send in radar jamming aircraft, as well as aircraft to target said installation.
     
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    The claim is that standard U.S. fighter planes have no defense against old crappy Russian surplus SAM's? How does this kind of propaganda end up on a U.S. discussion forum?
     
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    Nonsense. Weapons for SEAD/DEAD have advanced right along with everything else and are far more capable today than even a decade ago.

    Latest HARM has a millimeter-wave seeker so turning off a radar is no longer a defense against the anti-radiation missile, it'll still look for anything that matches the image of an IDADS component.

    There are far more standoff weapons options available now for use against IADS elements from a distance, JSOW, SDB, etc. so aircraft can lob relatively inexpensive glide weapons from 40 miles+ distance.

    USAF has thousands of MALD/MALD-J to spoof as attacking aircraft to reveal radar locations and bleed missile batteries of expensive rounds.

    Pilots say in exercises an F-35 can take out a ground radiation source with a JDAM faster than three F-16J Wild Weasels with HARMs because it's sensors can geolocate radiation sources, it has 360 electro-optical coverage to see launches, and it's radar can find targets through the clouds with SAR.

    There is no IADS on earth that can withstand a determined long-term assault by USA, it's just a matter of time before the pieces get whittled down and the entire system snowballs in degradation.
     
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    How are S-400's against low flying cruise missiles?
     
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    Who knows? Russians say that good enough against CM at 5 m and higher.
    It highly depends on terrain type.
     

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