F-35 costs increase dramatically

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    The production consortium of F-35 is requesting another 4 Billion $ from Turkey.
    The Defence Producrement Agency which runs currently 250 projects does not have the money, so it made a request to the Finance Ministry to cover the additional costs.
    If it is granted, Turkey would have commited 14 Billion $ to the F-35.
    Due to the increasing production costs, it is anticipated that around 2014 another 8 Billion $ will be requested by the F-35 production consortium, in the bad scenario another 11 Billion $.

    This would put Turkey's particaption in F-35 at a cost tag of 22 to 25 Billion $.
    Ekonomi - F-35 projesinde 4 milyar dolarl?k ek maliyet krizi - ZAMAN GAZETES? [?nternetin ?lk Türk Gazetesi]

    As the increasing costs can not be covered from the budget of the Defence Procurement Agency (SSM), the additional would be covered by Finance Ministry.
    If Finance Ministry rejects the costs, Turkey will pull out of F-35 Consortium.
    The letter to the Finance Ministry to cover the additional costs carries the a recommendation signature of the Army and the Defence Procurement Agency.
     
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    Meanwhile it is very likely that Turkey will be joining the KFX consortium of S.Korea and Indonesia.
    The consortium will produce a 4.5 generation fighter which is able to replace the Turkish F-16's around 2020.
    Korea Times - [Exclusive] Turkey could join Korea's fighter plan

    It would be a barter deal, with S.Korea choosing the T-129 Attack Helicolipter currently under development for Turkish Army for S.Korea's Attack Helicopter acquisition programme.
     
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    NATO will close 4 of the 12 bases in Europe, decrease the personnel from 13.000 to 9.000.
    Just in from NATO meeting in Brussels.
    ?zmir'deki NATO üssü kapat?lmamal? - Dünya Genel- ntvmsnbc.com

    Robert Gates said, that the NATO Air Force Base in Izmir will not be closed down and there must be at least 1 base in Turkey within the alliance structure
     
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    USA has chosen Turkey for missile defence system of NATO, says it is for Turkey to make a decision to station the system in Turkey and vote in favour of the system in NATO meeting.
    Anadolu Ajansi - U.S. SAYS TURKEY PLAYS MAJOR ROLE IN MISSILE SHIELD WITH ITS GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION
    Bulgaria: Turkey Figures Prominently in US Missile Defense Plans - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency


    Turkish FM says, that Turkey will only agree on missile defence if the threat of missiles is perceived by ALL Nato partners, and not only by USA.
    Turkey to seek NATO consensus on missile
     
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    Utility Helicopter procurement:
    Sikorsky offers production plant in Turkey with 85% of the Helicopter being Turkish components. The contract is about 121 Helicopters, and Sikorsky will buy additional 109 Helicopters from the production line in Turkey to sell to other countries.
    Turkey will also be regional maintenance hub for Sikorsky helicopters.
    Sikorsky will join the indeginous Utility Helicopter project of TAI (Turkish Aerospace Industries).

    Source:
    Stephen Estill, Strategic Partnerships Vice President of Sikorsky

    defence.professionals | defpro.com

    Together with S. Korea, Turkey is already largest Sikorsky user outside of USA.
     
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    Talking to yourself, Ekram?

    If you want in on a deal that will dramatically advance your military, you've got to throw in your chips when the stakes are raised. Think yourselves lucky. Britain will be shelling-out far more than Turkey as we're level one partners.
     
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    Britain is about to make deep cuts in the nation’s defence budget that will affect the country’s security and foreign policy for decades.
    (...) Britain’s defence spending will fall by between 10 per cent and 20 per cent over the next four years.
    The army would lose about 20 per cent of its personnel. The navy would have many fewer frigates to help patrol the world’s sea lanes.
    FT.com / Comment / Editorial - Defence review in danger of sinking


    The initial challenge is to save £37bn by 2020, merely to meet unfunded obligations accepted by the last government.
    FT.com / Comment / Opinion - Trident skewers Britain?s post-imperial refit



    What the armed forces can expect from the defence review
    The Army:
    main battle tanks are likely to be mothballed, as is much of its other heavy armour and artillery.
    The NAVY:
    The navy would like up to 18 new frigates but this could be reduced to just six.
    The AIRFORCE:
    The entire fleet – eight squadrons – of the RAF's two-crew Tornado GR4 strike aircraft, which have been active in Afghanistan, is expected to be withdrawn from service in the bundle of cuts to be announced next week.
    The plan to buy an extra 48 Eurofighter Typhoons is also expected to be dropped, leaving the RAF with a total of 160.
    The RAF's total aircraft fleet may be cut from 760 to 550 over the next 10 years.
    What the armed forces can expect from the defence review | UK news | The Guardian



    The "chips" you're talking about you do not have.
     
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    Defense Secreatary Liam Fox of Britain plans to half purchase of F-35. It would save the UK about 15 Billion Pounds. Even after such cuts, the cash shortfall is so vast that the Army remains threatened.
    Cuts could leave Britain defended by rowing boats, Airfix jets and Girl Guides | Mail Online

    RAF leadership says, that the cuts could make Britain's arispace vulnerable for attack
    RAF cuts 'could make Britain's air space vulnerable to attack' by Telegraph.co.uk Media

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/24/world/europe/24allies.html?_r=2&ref=global-home

    Britain is declining much faster then the USA. But at least the Brits showed they are able to bounce back after a decline, but that will be not in the near future.
    Vendetta of the Colonies.
     
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    thax...I have not kept up in my defense reading etc,...this was bound to happen. Europeans spending on def. is already rock bottom and it will drop further, and of course so has ours.

    Frankly I think the F-35 venture is misguided from strategic posture stand point. IF you aren't gong to buy enough to make a deference then why buy any at all?

    Our issues with the F-35 is worse, is we see it as a stand in for the Raptor,( because its cheaper) which is grave mistake........
     

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