"Extraordinary" weather as a symptom of "climate change"

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    Lots of alarmists are falling all over themselves claiming that this most recent snowmageddon is proof positive that climate change is occuring. They consistently ignore the weather extremes of the past and call them "irrelevent" because now we have GHG's in higher abundance etc. etc. etc.

    They are the definition of anti science. Science says that before you can search for something out of the ordinary as a cause of any particular observed phenomena you must first eliminate all possible "normal" explanations.

    Here is a wonderful example from 1921. We have had a few areas in this latest blizzard hit 20+ inches of snow. Yet those don't hold a candle to the blast of '21 when one particular are recieved 75.8 inches of snow...in a single day. It fell in Silver Lake CO.

    There are many more examples of extreme weather from the past and some are quite amazing.

    "At Mt Shasta Ski Bowl, California, 4.8 meters (or 15.75 feet) of snow fell in a single snowstorm between February 13 and 19, 1959 – making it the snowiest snowstorm in the United States."

    "A total of 451 inches of snow were found on the ground at Tamarack, California on March 11, 1911, which was deemed a record for the deepest snow depth. The snow accumulated over time and did not come from a single storm."

    " The biggest piece of ice recorded on earth was an ice block that measured 6 meters (20 ft) across, which fell in Scotland on August 13, 1849."

    There are many more if you just choose to look for them.
     
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    WFT:eek::eek::eek: Wait a good damn minute West..........you mean weather extremes didnt start after 1998??
     
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    the science on this is pretty clear. i don't think it requires hysteria, but it does require intelligent response.
     
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    You mean like falsifying records to make it appear that it was not hot in the 30's? That kind of intelligent response? Or creating a graph that totally ignores a medieval warming period? That kind of Intelligent response?

    How about being unable to prove that man is causing warming but repeating the claim over and over in hysterical tones? That kind of Intelligent response? How about falsifying world temperatures and lying about causes for glacier melt? That kind of Intelligent Response?
     
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    That's the problem Jillian, the science does NOT back them up one iota. Everytime they try to blame AGW for a particular event I can go back into the historical record and quite easily find an analog. There currently is no empirical data to support their theory. Instead of using actual records they use computer models that are so poor they can't recreate the weather of 5 days ago with perfect data recording. That is a huge problem. And as stated previously the records they do use have been corrupted. Hansen has been caught repeatedly going back into the historical record and altering the temperature data from over 50 years ago to try and get the US's temp record to conform to the false record he is building.

    I agree that there are terrible environmental issues out there, but AGW is not one of them.
     
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    'global warming' has been changed to 'climate change', duplicitous and ridiculous.
     
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    Ummm.... No. The science is solid and has been around for decades. They didn't wait for the symptom then assign the cause. They predicted this decades ago. Pretty much everything they've predicted would happen, is happening.

    The sad thing is that deniers have even been elevated to the point of being considered worthy of addressing, when they should be acknowledged as the intellectual equivalent of a moon-landing denier.
     
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    Really? Explain the heat wave in the 30's? The heat wave on the poles from 1920's to 1940's? The medieval warming period?

    Please if it is so well established provide us with the scientific experiment that was used to verify that man is causing the slight warming we are having? And the follow on to prove it worked. That is after all how science works.

    History shows us clearly that warming PRECEDES CO2 not the other way around. But then that too is PROVEN science you all like to ignore.

    If the facts are so clear explain why people keep "adjusting" previous years records, why they keep closing inconvenient temperature stations, why they keep adjusting current temps?
     
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    RGS, instead of getting beligerant and asking others to do the simple thing of research, why don't you get off you lazy ass and do your own research?
     
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    Oh get off it, ninny! Global warming refers to overall increase in temperature, the climate change refers to the changing patterns of precipitation, drougth, and wind.
     

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