Exposing the GOP tax "scam"

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A quick but devastating short exchange that well explains why the GOP tax plan is a FRAUD directed in screwing middle class Americans while benefiting large corporations….Its a short clip but well worth it, between Congresswoman Suzan DelBene (D wash.) and a GOP spokesperson.

You judge......

 
Dear nat4900 and Kosh
Why don't we simplify the tax code for everyone:
A. for programs where states agree on their own policy,
but not nationally between all states, let those
programs be paid for by state and let citizens pay taxes to their state to cover those programs.

B. for programs where people don't agree on either
state or national policy, let taxpayers pay for their choice of programs through their party or other collective organization and deduct that investment or donation from their taxes.

C. only charge and invest federal taxes where people and states AGREE on a policy and budget for federal programs.
such as for military defense spending for national and border security etc.

If we limit federal taxes to only what people generally agree to pay for across the board, that will simplify the tax system.

All the other more complicated programs and choices can be allocated by state, by party or by tax deductions where individuals pay directly to the programs and policies of their choice that represent them. So that doesn't have to be decided nationally, but can be delegated to local choices of tax deductible investments or donations.

As for budget shortfalls, after taxpayers invest in the programs of their choice, the entities that receive funding can choose to borrow or lend to cover programs that are underfunded. So if mroe money gets allocated to veterans and military, and not enough is going to health care and education, then the tax donors and investors with more resources going into their programs can choose to lend to other areas, under conditions they set for the loans.

So only the programs that are set up to be cost effective and sustainable would earn support; and programs that are wasteful would not because they couldn't pay back loans.
 
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Seriously a (D) against tax reform?

Say it ain't so....

These far left drones will run their debunked narratives at all costs!


Just listen to the fucking clip and stop being an asshole.
 
Seriously a (D) against tax reform?

Say it ain't so....

These far left drones will run their debunked narratives at all costs!


Just listen to the fucking clip and stop being an asshole.

You mean listen to a far left drone speak about the far left religous dogma?

No we already have that on this board. They are a partisan hack like you!

Now post the actual parts of the bill that you disagree with!
 
Dear nat4900 and Kosh
Why don't we simplify the tax code for everyone:
A. for programs where states agree on their own policy,
but not nationally between all states, let those
programs be paid for by state and let citizens pay taxes to their state to cover those programs.

B. for programs where people don't agree on either
state or national policy, let taxpayers pay for their choice of programs through their party or other collective organization and deduct that investment or donation from their taxes.

C. only charge and invest federal taxes where people and states AGREE on a policy and budget for federal programs.
such as for military defense spending for national and border security etc.

If we limit federal taxes to only what people generally agree to pay for across the board, that will simplify the tax system.

All the other more complicated programs and choices can be allocated by state, by party or by tax deductions where individuals pay directly to the programs and policies of their choice that represent them. So that doesn't have to be decided nationally, but can be delegated to local choices of tax deductible investments or donations.

As for budget shortfalls, after taxpayers invest in the programs of their choice, the entities that receive funding can choose to borrow or lend to cover programs that are underfunded. So if mroe money gets allocated to veterans and military, and not enough is going to health care and education, then the tax donors and investors with more resources going into their programs can choose to lend to other areas, under conditions they set for the loans.

So only the programs that are set up to be cost effective and sustainable would earn support; and programs that are wasteful would not because they couldn't pay back loans.

Not sure why you addressed me in your message as I am not pushing any narratives, other than the far left is never connected to reality and should never be in power or control of anything!

I am all for simplifying the tax code and paying less in taxes to an over bloated government.

Nothing is stopping the far left drones from participating in these cuts, they can always send more if they like. I bet none of them will.

However this is about tax reform, just not simply cutting taxes like JFK and Carter did!
 
A quick but devastating short exchange that well explains why the GOP tax plan is a FRAUD directed in screwing middle class Americans while benefiting large corporations….Its a short clip but well worth it, between Congresswoman Suzan DelBene (D wash.) and a GOP spokesperson.

You judge......



It's a great plan.

Tax fraud? Taxes are theft anyway, to cut them is the plan. Very simple, and great.
 
The problem comes when progressives want to add big government bureaucracy pograms, like the addiction of socialized health care, as well as government entitlements that expand our budget and government spending and expect high taxes as the norm to pay for it. All this talk of high taxes and our national debt, excuse me ... but when has our national debt DECLINED as a result of more increasing taxes? It’s the spending and the expansion of big government programs that are the real threat to the problem. Here is a word progressives don’t want to hear (they may gasp and cover their ears at the very thought) slash government programs that the federal government should not be involved in. Half the progressives probably fainted right there, while the rest are panic stricken - “What do you mean?”

We have federal budgets ... we have state budgets, I can guarantee you the vast majority don’t know who their state legislatures from both parties are, because the federal government handles the load. The reason why progressives don’t care about government spending on the national level, is because the federal government (unlike the state) was given the Constitutional authority to print money. Let the federal government handle those national issues that they were given authority to budget for, while throwing the rest back to the state budget to decide and tackle. The state was given the job of infrastructure, as most progressives don’t know the history of the interstate, and the Federal Givernment does not have the responsibility for their upkeep and repairs. The government does not have the role of giving money to other nations as we are only given the Congressional role of entering into a treaty with respect to this need to finance other nation’s Global causes. We do not have the Constitutional responsibility of Health Care, nor welfare, nor supplying federal funding of education nor funding the government bureaucracy of each. Let the states handle education, roads, health care, within their respective boundaries, and tax their citizens accordingly. Oh ... you mean California can’t get funding off the ground to supply their own single-payer health care system, with all the rich Hollywood elites and big high tech corporations? Look it up. Yet these idiots think it would be best for our Federal Government to do it simply because they have the authority to print money? If we cut the spending and allocate responsibility as our Constitution outlines, we wouldn’t be going through this concern over national debt and the need for more higher and ever increasing federal taxes. You want a more socialist form of government? Then move to Europe as our Constitution (and every nation has their own system of government) does not allow for it.
 
The problem comes when progressives want to add big government bureaucracy pograms, like the addiction of socialized health care, as well as government entitlements that expand our budget and government spending and expect high taxes as the norm to pay for it. All this talk of high taxes and our national debt, excuse me ... but when has our national debt DECLINED as a result of more increasing taxes? It’s the spending and the expansion of big government programs that are the real threat to the problem. Here is a word progressives don’t want to hear (they may gasp and cover their ears at the very thought) slash government programs that the federal government should not be involved in. Half the progressives probably fainted right there, while the rest are panic stricken - “What do you mean?”

We have federal budgets ... we have state budgets, I can guarantee you the vast majority don’t know who their state legislatures from both parties are, because the federal government handles the load. The reason why progressives don’t care about government spending on the national level, is because the federal government (unlike the state) was given the Constitutional authority to print money. Let the federal government handle those national issues that they were given authority to budget for, while throwing the rest back to the state budget to decide and tackle. The state was given the job of infrastructure, as most progressives don’t know the history of the interstate, and the Federal Givernment does not have the responsibility for their upkeep and repairs. The government does not have the role of giving money to other nations as we are only given the Congressional role of entering into a treaty with respect to this need to finance other nation’s Global causes. We do not have the Constitutional responsibility of Health Care, nor welfare, nor supplying federal funding of education nor funding the government bureaucracy of each. Let the states handle education, roads, health care, within their respective boundaries, and tax their citizens accordingly. Oh ... you mean California can’t get funding off the ground to supply their own single-payer health care system, with all the rich Hollywood elites and big high tech corporations? Look it up. Yet these idiots think it would be best for our Federal Government to do it simply because they have the authority to print money? If we cut the spending and allocate responsibility as our Constitution outlines, we wouldn’t be going through this concern over national debt and the need for more higher and ever increasing federal taxes. You want a more socialist form of government? Then move to Europe as our Constitution (and every nation has their own system of government) does not allow for it.

Instead of random ranting why don't you actually comment on what the thread is about?
 
Instead of random ranting why don't you actually comment on what the thread is about?

They just CANNOT do it (commenting directly on the clip)......The entire "house-of-cards" would come tumbling down......For right wingers, virtually ANYTHING that's shoved down their throats by the GOP establishment has to be "acceptable"; that is how brain washing seems to work so damn well.
 
The problem comes when progressives want to add big government bureaucracy pograms, like the addiction of socialized health care, as well as government entitlements that expand our budget and government spending and expect high taxes as the norm to pay for it. All this talk of high taxes and our national debt, excuse me ... but when has our national debt DECLINED as a result of more increasing taxes? It’s the spending and the expansion of big government programs that are the real threat to the problem. Here is a word progressives don’t want to hear (they may gasp and cover their ears at the very thought) slash government programs that the federal government should not be involved in. Half the progressives probably fainted right there, while the rest are panic stricken - “What do you mean?”

We have federal budgets ... we have state budgets, I can guarantee you the vast majority don’t know who their state legislatures from both parties are, because the federal government handles the load. The reason why progressives don’t care about government spending on the national level, is because the federal government (unlike the state) was given the Constitutional authority to print money. Let the federal government handle those national issues that they were given authority to budget for, while throwing the rest back to the state budget to decide and tackle. The state was given the job of infrastructure, as most progressives don’t know the history of the interstate, and the Federal Givernment does not have the responsibility for their upkeep and repairs. The government does not have the role of giving money to other nations as we are only given the Congressional role of entering into a treaty with respect to this need to finance other nation’s Global causes. We do not have the Constitutional responsibility of Health Care, nor welfare, nor supplying federal funding of education nor funding the government bureaucracy of each. Let the states handle education, roads, health care, within their respective boundaries, and tax their citizens accordingly. Oh ... you mean California can’t get funding off the ground to supply their own single-payer health care system, with all the rich Hollywood elites and big high tech corporations? Look it up. Yet these idiots think it would be best for our Federal Government to do it simply because they have the authority to print money? If we cut the spending and allocate responsibility as our Constitution outlines, we wouldn’t be going through this concern over national debt and the need for more higher and ever increasing federal taxes. You want a more socialist form of government? Then move to Europe as our Constitution (and every nation has their own system of government) does not allow for it.

Instead of random ranting why don't you actually comment on what the thread is about?

You mean this poster is acting like you, a far left drone?

Man the irony impairment of the left knows no bounds.
 
The problem comes when progressives want to add big government bureaucracy pograms, like the addiction of socialized health care, as well as government entitlements that expand our budget and government spending and expect high taxes as the norm to pay for it. All this talk of high taxes and our national debt, excuse me ... but when has our national debt DECLINED as a result of more increasing taxes? It’s the spending and the expansion of big government programs that are the real threat to the problem. Here is a word progressives don’t want to hear (they may gasp and cover their ears at the very thought) slash government programs that the federal government should not be involved in. Half the progressives probably fainted right there, while the rest are panic stricken - “What do you mean?”

We have federal budgets ... we have state budgets, I can guarantee you the vast majority don’t know who their state legislatures from both parties are, because the federal government handles the load. The reason why progressives don’t care about government spending on the national level, is because the federal government (unlike the state) was given the Constitutional authority to print money. Let the federal government handle those national issues that they were given authority to budget for, while throwing the rest back to the state budget to decide and tackle. The state was given the job of infrastructure, as most progressives don’t know the history of the interstate, and the Federal Givernment does not have the responsibility for their upkeep and repairs. The government does not have the role of giving money to other nations as we are only given the Congressional role of entering into a treaty with respect to this need to finance other nation’s Global causes. We do not have the Constitutional responsibility of Health Care, nor welfare, nor supplying federal funding of education nor funding the government bureaucracy of each. Let the states handle education, roads, health care, within their respective boundaries, and tax their citizens accordingly. Oh ... you mean California can’t get funding off the ground to supply their own single-payer health care system, with all the rich Hollywood elites and big high tech corporations? Look it up. Yet these idiots think it would be best for our Federal Government to do it simply because they have the authority to print money? If we cut the spending and allocate responsibility as our Constitution outlines, we wouldn’t be going through this concern over national debt and the need for more higher and ever increasing federal taxes. You want a more socialist form of government? Then move to Europe as our Constitution (and every nation has their own system of government) does not allow for it.

Instead of random ranting why don't you actually comment on what the thread is about?

You mean this poster is acting like you, a far left drone?

Man the irony impairment of the left knows no bounds.

Shit stain (that's your well earned reference)...are you saying that's a good or a bad thing? Because if it isn't good to do, then he should not be doing it.
 
The problem comes when progressives want to add big government bureaucracy pograms, like the addiction of socialized health care, as well as government entitlements that expand our budget and government spending and expect high taxes as the norm to pay for it. All this talk of high taxes and our national debt, excuse me ... but when has our national debt DECLINED as a result of more increasing taxes? It’s the spending and the expansion of big government programs that are the real threat to the problem. Here is a word progressives don’t want to hear (they may gasp and cover their ears at the very thought) slash government programs that the federal government should not be involved in. Half the progressives probably fainted right there, while the rest are panic stricken - “What do you mean?”

We have federal budgets ... we have state budgets, I can guarantee you the vast majority don’t know who their state legislatures from both parties are, because the federal government handles the load. The reason why progressives don’t care about government spending on the national level, is because the federal government (unlike the state) was given the Constitutional authority to print money. Let the federal government handle those national issues that they were given authority to budget for, while throwing the rest back to the state budget to decide and tackle. The state was given the job of infrastructure, as most progressives don’t know the history of the interstate, and the Federal Givernment does not have the responsibility for their upkeep and repairs. The government does not have the role of giving money to other nations as we are only given the Congressional role of entering into a treaty with respect to this need to finance other nation’s Global causes. We do not have the Constitutional responsibility of Health Care, nor welfare, nor supplying federal funding of education nor funding the government bureaucracy of each. Let the states handle education, roads, health care, within their respective boundaries, and tax their citizens accordingly. Oh ... you mean California can’t get funding off the ground to supply their own single-payer health care system, with all the rich Hollywood elites and big high tech corporations? Look it up. Yet these idiots think it would be best for our Federal Government to do it simply because they have the authority to print money? If we cut the spending and allocate responsibility as our Constitution outlines, we wouldn’t be going through this concern over national debt and the need for more higher and ever increasing federal taxes. You want a more socialist form of government? Then move to Europe as our Constitution (and every nation has their own system of government) does not allow for it.

Instead of random ranting why don't you actually comment on what the thread is about?

You mean this poster is acting like you, a far left drone?

Man the irony impairment of the left knows no bounds.

Shit stain (that's your well earned reference)...are you saying that's a good or a bad thing?

Yes you and OP prove that the far left religion is more dangerous than ISIS!
 
Instead of random ranting why don't you actually comment on what the thread is about?

They just CANNOT do it (commenting directly on the clip)......The entire "house-of-cards" would come tumbling down......For right wingers, virtually ANYTHING that's shoved down their throats by the GOP establishment has to be "acceptable"; that is how brain washing seems to work so damn well.

Yep, pathetic.
 
Instead of random ranting why don't you actually comment on what the thread is about?

They just CANNOT do it (commenting directly on the clip)......The entire "house-of-cards" would come tumbling down......For right wingers, virtually ANYTHING that's shoved down their throats by the GOP establishment has to be "acceptable"; that is how brain washing seems to work so damn well.

Yep, pathetic.

Yes you are pathetic, glad you can admit to it!

Now what do you have to offer other than debunked far left religious dogma not based in reality?
 
You mean this poster is acting like you, a far left drone?

Man the irony impairment of the left knows no bounds.


Here, fuck head......I'll make it simple for you based on that clip....

Is it "fair" for a teacher to NOT deduct having to buy pencils and papers for his or her students....while a corporation can deduct buying pencils and paper for its employees.????...............A simple fucking Yes or NO will co,moron.
 
You mean this poster is acting like you, a far left drone?

Man the irony impairment of the left knows no bounds.


Here, fuck head......I'll make it simple for you based on that clip....

Is it "fair" for a teacher to NOT deduct having to buy pencils and papers for his or her students....while a corporation can deduct buying pencils and paper for its employees.????...............A simple fucking Yes or NO will co,moron.

Corporations keeping deduction of local taxes while people lose it is a far bigger example.
 

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