Explain to me

[Madeline]

the reasoning behind letting apartments and employers discriminate against a person for 7 years when they pose no danger to society


the only reason i can think of is they need/want people to go back to prison for some reason

I take it you are referring to the Sex Offender Registries? The ACLU agrees with you, JB.

The explanation is, I am a law abiding lady and live alone. I am said to deserve to have some notice if I'm gonna need an escort to take my trash out because The Local Chronic Rapist is out on parole again.

Who wins this fight depends on who you ask.

 

[JBeukema]

Registered sex offenders, especially a 'Local Chronic Rapist'have demonstrated that they are a threat. All convictions are a matter of public record.

To compare rapists and child molesters to self-defense in disingenuous at best.

 

[Madeline]

Registered sex offenders, especially a 'Local Chronic Rapist'have demonstrated that they are a threat. All convictions are a matter of public record.

To compare rapists and child molesters to self-defense in disingenuous at best.

Okay, I give up. What was the subject of your Op? Who is discriminating against folks who might defend themselves?

 

[Intense]

Attempts to file such a lawsuit should be punishable by execution via hanging
not if you live in a Castle doctrine state

JB If I may ask, Where are you based out of?

Arizona- or Tenochtitlan, apparently, ones one goes south of Five Points

Truth be told, I sometimes wonder what country I'm in.

LOL. I was expecting you to say Brooklyn. I lived a year in Flagstaff way back. I'm surprised that what you say happened to you happened there. Was there any point where you could have stopped sooner, or was it spontaneous?
Was permanent harm done to the attacker? Was he related to the Sheriff? Your past can open as many doors as it shuts. Especially if it was a raw deal.


The worst fight I have ever found myself in was outside of Sedona, the guy would not stop coming at me, I had no choice but to really fuck him up, and it did involve me getting shot at. No cops though, old school crowd.

You could visit Albuquerque. I lived off of Central Avenue in the University District. Maybe Route 66 is calling to you. The elevation is 4500 ft or so at the lowest, so it cools down really nice at night, compared to Yuma or Welton. Used to have that gun fire background noise on the week ends. Something for everybody there.

 

[Intense]

Ever been to Oakland, Ca.???

 

[syrenn]

Why don't you just come out and TELL US what happend in this case? You keep hedging. Why? You want advice - no one can give it to you unless all of the facts are known. Could it be that you know that if you did give out all the facts, it would be patently obvious that you (or whomever we are talking about here) acted improperly in this incident and that you (or whomever) were clearly guilty of the crime for which you (or whomever) were convicted?

What I am getting from JB (and that's not much information) is that he got jumped, pummeled the hell out of the person or people that did the jumping, or pulled a knife perhaps? the cops got called and the jumppers all stuck together and alibied each other out. How am i doing JB?

'bout sums it up

Sorry about that. But for what it is worth even with your record it is not the criteria I judge people by. It is what they are doing now at the moment. I believe in letting peoples past become the past and not hold it aginst them for the rest of their lives.

But fuck up again and all bets are off

 

[Intense]

Not unless you and your pals are using deadly force.



Again - a person cannot use deadly force (a gun or a knife) to defend himself against non deadly force. I suppose if a person was being attacked by a large mob and he legitimately felt that his life was in danger, he would be justified in using deadly force to defend himself. But on the hypothetical as you present it here, the person being attacked would not be justified in using deadly force.



This is just flat wrong. Under your hypothesis here, if a guy takes a swing at another guy in a bar, the person being attacked can duck the blow, pull out a gun and blow the attacker's head off. Once again: no deadly force allowed unless it is to defend against deadly force.

Why don't you just come out and TELL US what happend in this case? You keep hedging. Why? You want advice - no one can give it to you unless all of the facts are known. Could it be that you know that if you did give out all the facts, it would be patently obvious that you (or whomever we are talking about here) acted improperly in this incident and that you (or whomever) were clearly guilty of the crime for which you (or whomever) were convicted?

I spent almost three years of a five year sentence in a Texas prison for aggravated assault w/intent. But I wasn't attacked, as amatter of fact I was the one doing the attacking. My weapon of choice at the time was a 3/4" SS bar stock 3' long.

My presumptive sentence was twice your five years... max was twice that again

I was not taking a contracted attorney [not a DA, but an attorney who seriously had to beg the courts to assign him a client because noone would hire him] to court.

The motherfucker only informed me after sentencing of the inability of the State to located to alleged 'victim' after the night in question for further questioning.

My Stepson had it pretty rough too. 1st conviction in Texas, he got jumped by a few, defended himself with more than his hands. 2nd conviction Ca. ended up charged with a hate crime, I understood the victim even tried to testify in his behalf, it did little good. He's out and living in the SF Bay area now. There are few people I would choose over him in a tough situation. In my early life I spent 5 years on and around the road. I saw allot of stuff. You learn to make your own code, and live by it, sink or swim. That code does adapt to circumstance, and there is plenty room for integrity in it. Make the best of the hand you are dealt. The one thing, a morale behavior, predatory behavior, is never justified. Not when you do it, not when I do it, not when it was done to either of us. Never justified, not in Society's name, not in the name of expediency, not in the name of revenge. The best tool you have against it is your witness. The individual does matter, that has been part of our argument from the day we first met on these boards. You do matter, your message matters. There is something of value in each of us that transcends the tangents we create in life.