Executive Privilege and fast and Furious

[RetiredGySgt]

As I understand it the argument presented by Holder has been he and his Justice Department knew nothing about Fast and Furious.

If that is true then how does releasing documents to prove it involve Executive Privilege? If as claimed no one at Justice knew about the Program then how does releasing documents to prove that jeopardize confidential communications or decisions between the Executive?

The entire argument by the White House and justice is they did NOT KNOW. If true then no records they have can implicate them and thus can not implicate executive decisions or policies.

 

[waltky]

Didn't know the investigation was still goin' on...

Fast and Furious hearing rips Holder, DOJ for deception in gun-running scandal
June 07, 2017 - Members of a congressional committee at a public hearing Wednesday blasted former President Barack Obama and his attorney general for allegedly covering up an investigation into the death of a Border Patrol agent killed as a result of a botched government gun-running project known as Operation Fast and Furious.

The House Oversight Committee also Wednesday released a scathing, nearly 300-page report that found Holder’s Justice Department tried to hide the facts from the loved ones of slain Border Patrol Brian Terry – seeing his family as more of a “nuisance” than one deserving straight answers – and slamming Obama's assertion of executive privilege to deny Congress access to records pertaining to Fast and Furious. “[Terry’s death] happened on Dec. 14, 2010, and we still don’t have all the answers,” Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, committee chairman, said of Terry’s death. “Brian Terry’s family should not have to wait six years for answers.”

ATF agent John Dodson delivers opening statement at House Oversight Committee hearing on 2011 gun-running scandal​

Terry died in a gunfight between Border Patrol agents and members of a six-man cartel "rip crew," which regularly patrolled the desert along the U.S.-Mexico border looking for drug dealers to rob. The cartel member suspected of slaying the Border Patrol agent, Heraclio Osorio-Arellanes, was apprehended in April of this year by a joint U.S.-Mexico law enforcement task force. Terry’s death exposed Operation Fast and Furious, a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) operation in which the federal government allowed criminals to buy guns in Phoenix-area shops with the intention of tracking them as they were transported into Mexico.

But the agency lost track of more than 1,400 of the 2,000 guns they allowed smugglers to buy. Two of those guns were found at the scene of Terry's killing. “More than five years after Brian’s murder, the Terry family still wonders about key details of Operation Fast and Furious,” the committee’s report states. “The Justice Department’s obstruction of Congress’s investigation contributed to the Terry family’s inability to find answers.” Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, testified Wednesday in front of the committee, accusing DOJ and ATF officials of obstructing the investigation and working to silence ATF agents who informed the Senate of Fast and Furious. “The Department of Justice and ATF had no intention of looking for honest answers and being transparent,” said Grassley, now chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee and a staunch supporter of whistleblowers. “In fact, from the onset, bureaucrats employed shameless delay tactics to obstruct the investigation.”

U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian A. Terry. Terry was fatally shot north of the Arizona-Mexico border while trying to catch bandits who target illegal immigrants​

One of those silenced ATF agents, John Dodson, testified Wednesday that he remains “in a state of purgatory” since objecting to Fast and Furious and has been the subject of reprisals and ridicule at the agency. “That decision, the single act of standing up and saying, ‘What we are doing is wrong’… instantly took my standing from being that of an agent of the government – to an enemy of the state,” Dodson said. “ATF and DOJ officials implemented an all-out campaign to silence and discredit me… Suffice to say, the last six to seven years at ATF have not been the best for me or my career.”

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[Remodeling Maidiac]

Didn't know the investigation was still goin' on...

Fast and Furious hearing rips Holder, DOJ for deception in gun-running scandal
June 07, 2017 - Members of a congressional committee at a public hearing Wednesday blasted former President Barack Obama and his attorney general for allegedly covering up an investigation into the death of a Border Patrol agent killed as a result of a botched government gun-running project known as Operation Fast and Furious.

The House Oversight Committee also Wednesday released a scathing, nearly 300-page report that found Holder’s Justice Department tried to hide the facts from the loved ones of slain Border Patrol Brian Terry – seeing his family as more of a “nuisance” than one deserving straight answers – and slamming Obama's assertion of executive privilege to deny Congress access to records pertaining to Fast and Furious. “[Terry’s death] happened on Dec. 14, 2010, and we still don’t have all the answers,” Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, committee chairman, said of Terry’s death. “Brian Terry’s family should not have to wait six years for answers.”

ATF agent John Dodson delivers opening statement at House Oversight Committee hearing on 2011 gun-running scandal​

Terry died in a gunfight between Border Patrol agents and members of a six-man cartel "rip crew," which regularly patrolled the desert along the U.S.-Mexico border looking for drug dealers to rob. The cartel member suspected of slaying the Border Patrol agent, Heraclio Osorio-Arellanes, was apprehended in April of this year by a joint U.S.-Mexico law enforcement task force. Terry’s death exposed Operation Fast and Furious, a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) operation in which the federal government allowed criminals to buy guns in Phoenix-area shops with the intention of tracking them as they were transported into Mexico.

But the agency lost track of more than 1,400 of the 2,000 guns they allowed smugglers to buy. Two of those guns were found at the scene of Terry's killing. “More than five years after Brian’s murder, the Terry family still wonders about key details of Operation Fast and Furious,” the committee’s report states. “The Justice Department’s obstruction of Congress’s investigation contributed to the Terry family’s inability to find answers.” Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, testified Wednesday in front of the committee, accusing DOJ and ATF officials of obstructing the investigation and working to silence ATF agents who informed the Senate of Fast and Furious. “The Department of Justice and ATF had no intention of looking for honest answers and being transparent,” said Grassley, now chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee and a staunch supporter of whistleblowers. “In fact, from the onset, bureaucrats employed shameless delay tactics to obstruct the investigation.”

U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian A. Terry. Terry was fatally shot north of the Arizona-Mexico border while trying to catch bandits who target illegal immigrants​

One of those silenced ATF agents, John Dodson, testified Wednesday that he remains “in a state of purgatory” since objecting to Fast and Furious and has been the subject of reprisals and ridicule at the agency. “That decision, the single act of standing up and saying, ‘What we are doing is wrong’… instantly took my standing from being that of an agent of the government – to an enemy of the state,” Dodson said. “ATF and DOJ officials implemented an all-out campaign to silence and discredit me… Suffice to say, the last six to seven years at ATF have not been the best for me or my career.”

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This thread is 5 fucking years old. How retarded are you that you DIG UP OLD THREADS THEN PRETEND IT'S NEW NEWS?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

This thread is a prime example of why old threads need to be archived.

 

[skye]

Holder belongs in jail.

If there's any justice left in the USA

Scum Holder belongs in jail.

 

[waltky]

June 07, 2017

 

[skye]

This thread is a prime example of why old threads need to be archived.

no

Holder belongs in jail

yesterday now and tomorrow

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

This thread is a prime example of why old threads need to be archived.

no

Holder belongs in jail

yesterday now and tomorrow

Irrelevant to a 5 year old thread being bumped solely for trolling purposes. There is LITERALLY NO REASON TO REVIVE THIS OLD SHIT when we have plenty to talk about with current events.

 

[skye]

This thread is a prime example of why old threads need to be archived.

no

Holder belongs in jail

yesterday now and tomorrow

Irrelevant to a 5 year old thread being bumped solely for trolling purposes. There is LITERALLY NO REASON TO REVIVE THIS OLD SHIT when we have plenty to talk about with current events.

sure

fuck Holder anyway

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

This thread is a prime example of why old threads need to be archived.

no

Holder belongs in jail

yesterday now and tomorrow

Irrelevant to a 5 year old thread being bumped solely for trolling purposes. There is LITERALLY NO REASON TO REVIVE THIS OLD SHIT when we have plenty to talk about with current events.

sure

fuck Holder anyway

On that we can agree.

This looks like nothing more than an attempt to change the subject to me. Democrats are falling flat on their face. We need to let that sink in rather than flip the script