Execution: What message are we sending?

Is execution acceptable in the modern world?


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hayseed59

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I read this story on a forwarded message and can not confirm its truth but the story, true or not, has surely touched me.

"My name is Abdul. I am from a land that is opressed by its leaders. In my land, men were killed on the streets. Men watched in horror as others were ordered to be executed by those whom are supposed to lead us and guide us. I have come to America the day before I wrote this. It was June 18, 2010. I had decided to move to an area called Utah because I had heard of the people's generosity and religious faith. I arrived in the land at a time around 10:40 with my appointed escort, whom is currently writing this message and interpreting it to make sense to you. We checked into a hotel at around 11:20. I decided to take my first American shower. It was so warm and long. When I got out it was around 11:50. I lay down but could not sleep. My escort showed me how to function this strange technology called television. I sat watching a man talk about various idols of the land when suddenly a very strapping, important-looking man cut into the show I was watching. He was making a speech. I didn't understand what was going on, but I could tell it was important. I called my escort into the room but the man had dissappeared from the screen before she got there. I made her stay with me for a while as we watched the man return to talk about idols. Again, a man cut into my show. He made an announcement. I looked to my escort who told me, "A man was sentenced to die. They just executed him. They had five men shoot him to death." I guess America isn't so different after all. "

The story seems to have some gaps in it to me, but it just got me thinking. Is that really the message we want to send out. After all, God commanded all men "Thou shalt not kill" and, no matter what the government says, he did not command "Thou shalt not kill unless..."

As Newton said, every action shall have a reaction. The action was death and despair. Should the reaction (which is also claimed to be 'justice') really be more death and destruction?
 
Ya we are EXACTLY the same, what a moronic statement. Even given her obvious ignorance she knew we were NOT exactly the same.

As for LEGAL executions via the Death Penalty? I totally support them. I think they do not occur as often as they should and I believe appeals are to long and costly.

The Government has every right to execute people for certain crimes.

This country does not have secret police nor allow killings without a trial and appeal process. There are no shootings in the streets of political opponents.

I personally believe executions should be public and broadcast for all to see.
 
Ya we are EXACTLY the same, what a moronic statement. Even given her obvious ignorance she knew we were NOT exactly the same.

As for LEGAL executions via the Death Penalty? I totally support them. I think they do not occur as often as they should and I believe appeals are to long and costly.

The Government has every right to execute people for certain crimes.

This country does not have secret police nor allow killings without a trial and appeal process. There are no shootings in the streets of political opponents.

I personally believe executions should be public and broadcast for all to see.

I don't know if I'd go THAT far. Can we do it on cable pay per view?:lol:
 
Ya we are EXACTLY the same, what a moronic statement. Even given her obvious ignorance she knew we were NOT exactly the same.

As for LEGAL executions via the Death Penalty? I totally support them. I think they do not occur as often as they should and I believe appeals are to long and costly.

The Government has every right to execute people for certain crimes.

This country does not have secret police nor allow killings without a trial and appeal process. There are no shootings in the streets of political opponents.

I personally believe executions should be public and broadcast for all to see.

I don't know if I'd go THAT far. Can we do it on cable pay per view?:lol:

Execution needs to carry a large foot print as a deterrent. Public executions done reasonably quickly after the crime would meet that requirement. Isn't it telling that Federal executions can occur in a couple years and State ones drag on for years and years?
 
Ya we are EXACTLY the same, what a moronic statement. Even given her obvious ignorance she knew we were NOT exactly the same.

As for LEGAL executions via the Death Penalty? I totally support them. I think they do not occur as often as they should and I believe appeals are to long and costly.

The Government has every right to execute people for certain crimes.

This country does not have secret police nor allow killings without a trial and appeal process. There are no shootings in the streets of political opponents.

I personally believe executions should be public and broadcast for all to see.

I don't know if I'd go THAT far. Can we do it on cable pay per view?:lol:

Execution needs to carry a large foot print as a deterrent. Public executions done reasonably quickly after the crime would meet that requirement. Isn't it telling that Federal executions can occur in a couple years and State ones drag on for years and years?

I sorta agree and sorta don't. I'm of the opinion that there are certain things children shouldn't be exposed to and we have stupid parents who would treat a public execution like a god damned picnic with the family.

Yes that is odd, and is why I think all murder cases should be tried in federal court.
 
I don't know if I'd go THAT far. Can we do it on cable pay per view?:lol:

Execution needs to carry a large foot print as a deterrent. Public executions done reasonably quickly after the crime would meet that requirement. Isn't it telling that Federal executions can occur in a couple years and State ones drag on for years and years?

I sorta agree and sorta don't. I'm of the opinion that there are certain things children shouldn't be exposed to and we have stupid parents who would treat a public execution like a god damned picnic with the family.

Yes that is odd, and is why I think all murder cases should be tried in federal court.

Children saw executions regularly in the 17 and 18 hundreds. I see no reason they should not see the consequences of piss poor decisions.
 
Execution needs to carry a large foot print as a deterrent. Public executions done reasonably quickly after the crime would meet that requirement. Isn't it telling that Federal executions can occur in a couple years and State ones drag on for years and years?

I sorta agree and sorta don't. I'm of the opinion that there are certain things children shouldn't be exposed to and we have stupid parents who would treat a public execution like a god damned picnic with the family.

Yes that is odd, and is why I think all murder cases should be tried in federal court.

Children saw executions regularly in the 17 and 18 hundreds. I see no reason they should not see the consequences of piss poor decisions.

Children also had a mortality rate of around 50% during the 17 and 18 hundreds, I don't wish to go back to either.
 
I sorta agree and sorta don't. I'm of the opinion that there are certain things children shouldn't be exposed to and we have stupid parents who would treat a public execution like a god damned picnic with the family.

Yes that is odd, and is why I think all murder cases should be tried in federal court.

Children saw executions regularly in the 17 and 18 hundreds. I see no reason they should not see the consequences of piss poor decisions.

Children also had a mortality rate of around 50% during the 17 and 18 hundreds, I don't wish to go back to either.

The young are EXACTLY who we want deterred. Deterrence must begin at an early age. It is useless to try and deter people that are 18 and over when they learned to be cold blooded killers at 12.
 
Children saw executions regularly in the 17 and 18 hundreds. I see no reason they should not see the consequences of piss poor decisions.

Children also had a mortality rate of around 50% during the 17 and 18 hundreds, I don't wish to go back to either.

The young are EXACTLY who we want deterred. Deterrence must begin at an early age. It is useless to try and deter people that are 18 and over when they learned to be cold blooded killers at 12.

Well that is a matter of beating the shit out parents who don't teach their children right from wrong.
 
What message are we sending?

This fucker will never do that again. Ever.

Personally, I have mixed feelings about the death penalty. It's on the books, use it. On the other hand, if it were to again be abolished, I wouldn't bat an eyelash.

The hard truth is, some folks just need killing...
 
Here in the south folks use to take their kids to watch lynchings of blacks on the courthouse lawns. It was a family event.
 
Here in the south folks use to take their kids to watch lynchings of blacks on the courthouse lawns. It was a family event.

At one time, all over the country, executions were family events. Everyone would come to watch a hanging but then again death was accepted as part of life and everyone was exposed to it's occurrence all around them on a fairly routine basis, even children.
 
Ya we are EXACTLY the same, what a moronic statement. Even given her obvious ignorance she knew we were NOT exactly the same.

As for LEGAL executions via the Death Penalty? I totally support them. I think they do not occur as often as they should and I believe appeals are to long and costly.

The Government has every right to execute people for certain crimes.

This country does not have secret police nor allow killings without a trial and appeal process. There are no shootings in the streets of political opponents.

I personally believe executions should be public and broadcast for all to see.

I don't know if I'd go THAT far. Can we do it on cable pay per view?:lol:

Execution needs to carry a large foot print as a deterrent. Public executions done reasonably quickly after the crime would meet that requirement. Isn't it telling that Federal executions can occur in a couple years and State ones drag on for years and years?

No, executions do not serve as deterant. Most of the people that kill, would kill in any case. As a matter of fact, when executions were public, the murder rate did not change at all.

The purpose of execution is to remove the danger that a pathologically sociopathic person presents to the rest of the citizens of this nation. People like John Gacy or Ted Bundy cannot be rehabilitated and will be a danger to all as long as they are alive.
 
Over 122 death row inmates have been released due to DNA and other convincing evidence of their innocence. A jury convicted them and the jury was dead wrong, the prosecution was wrong and the evidence was lacking. And you folks favor more of this?
Scary shit. Prosecutorial mosconduct is at an alltime high in the over worked courts.
The death penalty is not fairly sought. The innocent that have been executed before DNA are the obvious answer. We should end it now.
 
After all, God commanded all men "Thou shalt not kill"

So is God guity of sin after all the people He killed or had killed?

No. God cannot sin, for his actions are just.

The word Killed, when you look it up in that verse does not mean ANY killing.... it means MURDER. Look it up in a concordance for yourself.

The death penalty is one very useful punishment. Send those who cannot be trusted in society any more on to God to face judgment. I find it less cruel, and wasteful than life in prison. If they are to never come out, execute them and be done with it. Nobody ever escapes or is there any recidivism.
 
Over 122 death row inmates have been released due to DNA and other convincing evidence of their innocence. A jury convicted them and the jury was dead wrong, the prosecution was wrong and the evidence was lacking. And you folks favor more of this?
Scary shit. Prosecutorial mosconduct is at an alltime high in the over worked courts.
The death penalty is not fairly sought. The innocent that have been executed before DNA are the obvious answer. We should end it now.

Exactly. :clap2::clap2:

Don't get me wrong, there are many, many good and fair prosecutors and competent defense attorneys. They're the majority in fact. But until the entire system is fixed, it shouldn't be used to put people to death. A man wrongly sent to prison pays a high price but can be freed. What do we do about those who are wrongly executed? How do we begin to attempt to make that right?

I'm anti-death penalty for personal reasons as well, but matters of conscience aside the system just isn't certain enough.
 

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