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[asterism]

Is that your reply to disabled veterans as well?

That depends on the situation. If they refuse to give up the needle then yes. I don't see the purpose of a vet showing me his VFW card and then telling me he needs some money for food - two blocks away from the VFW where he's always going to get a meal and even a few beers. I told that guy to get in the car and as we were driving I told him where i was taking him.

"Oh I don't like the food there."

Then there was the guy I met last week who said he'd been homeless for 3 years and flew here looking for work and couldn't find any. I asked him if he tried the many citrus plants because it's picking season and he said, "that's for the Mexicans." So this guy is capable enough to take a plane to Florida, supposedly desperate enough to panhandle but won't pick fruit? But I still felt he deserved a meal so I offered to walk with him across the street and buy him lunch. He had the same answer:

"I don't like the food there."

What do you think should be done in those situations?

Well first, I don't look at poor people and see losers who won't work. I see people JUST LIKE ME who have problems, and need and DESERVE my help.

Um, so do I which is why I offered to help. What I was not willing to do was give them money to feed the railroad tracks on their arms.

What are you doing to help?

Addiction is a terrible, difficult problem and I have no easy answers. I commend you for getting involved with these people face to face......but do you really think a vet would be an addict if he had never seen combat?

In many situations, yes. In some situations no, but they still have to make the effort. If they aren't willing to get treatment (or not willing to do it again) there is nothing I can do to help them.

The problems of these men and women are more complex, and they are just as deserving of help.

I agree which is why I continue to try and help. I think where we disagree is whether a government program is even capable of helping. I suspect you think it is and therefore should receive more funding. I don't. That said, the song references a textile mill that was closed. Do you really think a textile mill is going to help a drug addict?

 

[Sallow]

It worked for me. Without a very low wage I wouldn't have gotten hired when I was working my way through college, but since there was almost no risk I was able to show that I could add value to the company and then I got regular raises.

Oh... Nobody told you. That generally doesn't happen anymore. There's a phenomenon called Taylorism (aka Scientific management) sweeping the nation. When somebody becomes too expensive, they're usually let go and a new, desperate worker replaces them at $7 an hour.

Businessmen love a flooded labor pool; They actually get to exploit the very "Problem" they helped to create. Keeps the rabble on their best behavior. Not only do you not have a choice of several jobs that compete for your labor, but if you lose the one you got, you might not get another one.

Most successful business knows it's the people who make them prosperous. Not many employers are letting go skilled employees so they can hire unskilled replacements for that low of a wage.

Can you back up the claim employers are doing this? I call bullshit on it happening to the level you're claiming.

Have a look..

Competitive Impact Statement : U.S. v. Lucasfilm Ltd.

 

[Cuyo]

Oh... Nobody told you. That generally doesn't happen anymore. There's a phenomenon called Taylorism (aka Scientific management) sweeping the nation. When somebody becomes too expensive, they're usually let go and a new, desperate worker replaces them at $7 an hour.

Businessmen love a flooded labor pool; They actually get to exploit the very "Problem" they helped to create. Keeps the rabble on their best behavior. Not only do you not have a choice of several jobs that compete for your labor, but if you lose the one you got, you might not get another one.

Most successful business knows it's the people who make them prosperous. Not many employers are letting go skilled employees so they can hire unskilled replacements for that low of a wage.

Can you back up the claim employers are doing this? I call bullshit on it happening to the level you're claiming.

Have a look..

Competitive Impact Statement : U.S. v. Lucasfilm Ltd.

Wow... I'm surprised, but Wiki actually has an article on Scientific Management.
Scientific management - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Douger]

boo fuckin' hoo.

Pick up a hammer or a shovel and rebuild your life and quit sticking your fucking hand out waiting for some miracle man to save you.

Is that your reply to disabled veterans as well?

That depends on the situation. If they refuse to give up the needle then yes. I don't see the purpose of a vet showing me his VFW card and then telling me he needs some money for food - two blocks away from the VFW where he's always going to get a meal and even a few beers. I told that guy to get in the car and as we were driving I told him where i was taking him.

"Oh I don't like the food there."

Then there was the guy I met last week who said he'd been homeless for 3 years and flew here looking for work and couldn't find any. I asked him if he tried the many citrus plants because it's picking season and he said, "that's for the Mexicans." So this guy is capable enough to take a plane to Florida, supposedly desperate enough to panhandle but won't pick fruit? But I still felt he deserved a meal so I offered to walk with him across the street and buy him lunch. He had the same answer:

"I don't like the food there."

What do you think should be done in those situations?

Cut his throat.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Is that your reply to disabled veterans as well?

That depends on the situation. If they refuse to give up the needle then yes. I don't see the purpose of a vet showing me his VFW card and then telling me he needs some money for food - two blocks away from the VFW where he's always going to get a meal and even a few beers. I told that guy to get in the car and as we were driving I told him where i was taking him.

"Oh I don't like the food there."

Then there was the guy I met last week who said he'd been homeless for 3 years and flew here looking for work and couldn't find any. I asked him if he tried the many citrus plants because it's picking season and he said, "that's for the Mexicans." So this guy is capable enough to take a plane to Florida, supposedly desperate enough to panhandle but won't pick fruit? But I still felt he deserved a meal so I offered to walk with him across the street and buy him lunch. He had the same answer:

"I don't like the food there."

What do you think should be done in those situations?

Well first, I don't look at poor people and see losers who won't work. I see people JUST LIKE ME who have problems, and need and DESERVE my help.

Addiction is a terrible, difficult problem and I have no easy answers. I commend you for getting involved with these people face to face......but do you really think a vet would be an addict if he had never seen combat? The problems of these men and women are more complex, and they are just as deserving of help.

The fact is there are losers that just won't work and drain the system making it harder for those that deserve help to get it. The biggest thing that needs to happen right now is repeal the socialist healthcare bill that will drive business down the tubes. Everything that obamaturd told us about it is a lie. Another thing that needs to happen is we have to stop believing that capitalism is evil. If it wasn't for capitalism this country would not be the great nation it is. If it is so bad why do people from all over the world?

 

[ba1614]

Oh... Nobody told you. That generally doesn't happen anymore. There's a phenomenon called Taylorism (aka Scientific management) sweeping the nation. When somebody becomes too expensive, they're usually let go and a new, desperate worker replaces them at $7 an hour.

Businessmen love a flooded labor pool; They actually get to exploit the very "Problem" they helped to create. Keeps the rabble on their best behavior. Not only do you not have a choice of several jobs that compete for your labor, but if you lose the one you got, you might not get another one.

Most successful business knows it's the people who make them prosperous. Not many employers are letting go skilled employees so they can hire unskilled replacements for that low of a wage.

Can you back up the claim employers are doing this? I call bullshit on it happening to the level you're claiming.

Have a look..

Competitive Impact Statement : U.S. v. Lucasfilm Ltd.

That's a case about 2 companies conspiring not to poach each others employees. What does that have to do with this "phenomenon" of wrongfully dismissing people to hire someone cheaper?

I have no issue with holding companies accountable who break the law, none.

 

[Douger]

Yepp. Mcmurkin hit it on da head.

 

[Sallow]

Most successful business knows it's the people who make them prosperous. Not many employers are letting go skilled employees so they can hire unskilled replacements for that low of a wage.

Can you back up the claim employers are doing this? I call bullshit on it happening to the level you're claiming.

Have a look..

Competitive Impact Statement : U.S. v. Lucasfilm Ltd.

That's a case about 2 companies conspiring not to poach each others employees. What does that have to do with this "phenomenon" of wrongfully dismissing people to hire someone cheaper?

I have no issue with holding companies accountable who break the law, none.

Well that's one way to look at it.

Another view is that they did it is to keep their wages low. That's what the Justice department found. And at my shop they are letting people go, and hiring people overseas, to do the exact same jobs. In fact, at the Xmas party I talked to a guy that got let go. He went to Malaysia to teach a group to do his job, before he got the RIF.

I work in the IT field and I see this sort of crap happening all the time.

 

[sangha]

Most successful business knows it's the people who make them prosperous. Not many employers are letting go skilled employees so they can hire unskilled replacements for that low of a wage.

Can you back up the claim employers are doing this? I call bullshit on it happening to the level you're claiming.

Have a look..

Competitive Impact Statement : U.S. v. Lucasfilm Ltd.

That's a case about 2 companies conspiring not to poach each others employees. What does that have to do with this "phenomenon" of wrongfully dismissing people to hire someone cheaper?

I have no issue with holding companies accountable who break the law, none.

It has to do with lowering wages. It has to do with eliminating competition for employees.

I thought the right liked competition.

 

[Sallow]

Yepp. Mcmurkin hit it on da head.

Shit can the nazi stuff.

America is not Nazi Germany.

 

[California Girl]

boo fuckin' hoo.

Pick up a hammer or a shovel and rebuild your life and quit sticking your fucking hand out waiting for some miracle man to save you.

Is that your reply to disabled veterans as well?

Pretty sad that the useless hide behind the disabled, and the heros, to cry they too need looking after. There would be lots of resources to look after those that truly need it if those who are capable of doing something for themselves, did it.

That's because some people don't recognize the difference between the hand out generation and our vets. I find that sad.

Also, of course, everyone's a fucking 'hero' these days.

 

[Cuyo]

Most successful business knows it's the people who make them prosperous. Not many employers are letting go skilled employees so they can hire unskilled replacements for that low of a wage.

Can you back up the claim employers are doing this? I call bullshit on it happening to the level you're claiming.

Have a look..

Competitive Impact Statement : U.S. v. Lucasfilm Ltd.

That's a case about 2 companies conspiring not to poach each others employees. What does that have to do with this "phenomenon" of wrongfully dismissing people to hire someone cheaper?

I have no issue with holding companies accountable who break the law, none.

I didn't read Sallow's link, however - #1 it isn't "Wrongful." The vast majority of employees in this country are employed 'At Will' and can be dismissed at any time, for any or no reason. #2 I'm not sure I can quantify it in the way you're asking me to. I'm sure if I searched I could find an article to support it, but you'd just reply with an article that's barely related but certain that it disproves it... Round and round we go...

Wages are on the decline, as a percentage of executive revenue and as a percentage of COL. That's a fact. It's hard to make an argument that outsourcing and subsequent labor exploits are not to blame.

 

[Madeline]

That depends on the situation. If they refuse to give up the needle then yes. I don't see the purpose of a vet showing me his VFW card and then telling me he needs some money for food - two blocks away from the VFW where he's always going to get a meal and even a few beers. I told that guy to get in the car and as we were driving I told him where i was taking him.

"Oh I don't like the food there."

Then there was the guy I met last week who said he'd been homeless for 3 years and flew here looking for work and couldn't find any. I asked him if he tried the many citrus plants because it's picking season and he said, "that's for the Mexicans." So this guy is capable enough to take a plane to Florida, supposedly desperate enough to panhandle but won't pick fruit? But I still felt he deserved a meal so I offered to walk with him across the street and buy him lunch. He had the same answer:

"I don't like the food there."

What do you think should be done in those situations?

Well first, I don't look at poor people and see losers who won't work. I see people JUST LIKE ME who have problems, and need and DESERVE my help.

Addiction is a terrible, difficult problem and I have no easy answers. I commend you for getting involved with these people face to face......but do you really think a vet would be an addict if he had never seen combat? The problems of these men and women are more complex, and they are just as deserving of help.

The fact is there are losers that just won't work and drain the system making it harder for those that deserve help to get it. The biggest thing that needs to happen right now is repeal the socialist healthcare bill that will drive business down the tubes. Everything that obamaturd told us about it is a lie. Another thing that needs to happen is we have to stop believing that capitalism is evil. If it wasn't for capitalism this country would not be the great nation it is. If it is so bad why do people from all over the world?

I don't have a huge stake in whether Obamacare is repealed or not. It's a great step forward but so riddled with defects, I can bear to start over. However, I'd like us to be discussing what will replace it....are we just going to ignore the uninsured again?

I am not an enemy of capitalism. I agree, it is the best economic system ever developed. It's unfettered greed I object to. Those who succeed the most must be restrained from harming those who have not....elsewise there will be nothing but Third World countries, with the very rich and the very poor.

The middle class is shrinking here, and that should alarm all of us.

 

[ba1614]

Have a look..

Competitive Impact Statement : U.S. v. Lucasfilm Ltd.

That's a case about 2 companies conspiring not to poach each others employees. What does that have to do with this "phenomenon" of wrongfully dismissing people to hire someone cheaper?

I have no issue with holding companies accountable who break the law, none.

I didn't read Sallow's link, however - #1 it isn't "Wrongful." The vast majority of employees in this country are employed 'At Will' and can be dismissed at any time, for any or no reason. #2 I'm not sure I can quantify it in the way you're asking me to. I'm sure if I searched I could find an article to support it, but you'd just reply with an article that's barely related but certain that it disproves it... Round and round we go...

Wages are on the decline, as a percentage of executive revenue and as a percentage of COL. That's a fact. It's hard to make an argument that outsourcing and subsequent labor exploits are not to blame.

Ok, I'll just take your word for it then.

 

[amrchaos]

Madeline!

You are a leftist libbie-Lib!

But seriously, things are not as bad as that song/video protrays.

First off, if you believe in protectionism, start arguing some of the libertarians point of view to your right-winger friends. Once the Republicans gain the notion that protectionism will keep them in office, then they will begin to argue those points.

Second, some of the problems must begin at the residential and consumer level. Stop buying foreign goods because they are cheaper than American goods. Start supporting local businesses versus the chain that is stocked up with overseas products. That money you spend on the local companies tend to stay and support local people. The same is true for national products.

Third, try and start up your own business or support a start up. It will provide jobs community and help those searching for employment.

Many of the problems outlined in that video can be turned around by starting wwith yourself and convincing others to do the same.

 

[Madeline]

Madeline!

You are a leftist libbie-Lib!

But seriously, things are not as bad as that song/video protrays.

First off, if you believe in protectionism, start arguing some of the libertarians point of view to your right-winger friends. Once the Republicans gain the notion that protectionism will keep them in office, then they will begin to argue those points.

Second, some of the problems must begin at the residential and consumer level. Stop buying foreign goods because they are cheaper than American goods. Start supporting local businesses versus the chain that is stocked up with overseas products. That money you spend on the local companies tend to stay and support local people. The same is true for national products.

Third, try and start up your own business or support a start up. It will provide jobs community and help those searching for employment.

Many of the problems outlined in that video can be turned around by starting wwith yourself and convincing others to do the same.

I do buy American, as best I can. I dunno about starting a new business; seems to me, retirement is too cool to give up and the world dun need another little law office.

But I dun necessarily disagree with you about protectionism. I dun understand why we can't at least prohibit the import of goods manufactured by child or slave labor.

 

[Kat]

My honest reaction is that I REFUSE to dwell on the negative ''we can't make it, and are the gutter'' rhetoric.

Showed a lot of pics in the video from times when people would do ANY work to make a living, unlike now days where they won't work for a lower wage.

I could go on and on..but why bother.

I didn't have this reaction, though I can understand it.

To me, those are the faces of real Americans. They are the ones I care about, not the billionaires. And it seems to me they have been harmed in similar ways, by the same people.

WTH are you talking about? Where did I say I cared about billionaires?

 

[Madeline]

My honest reaction is that I REFUSE to dwell on the negative ''we can't make it, and are the gutter'' rhetoric.

Showed a lot of pics in the video from times when people would do ANY work to make a living, unlike now days where they won't work for a lower wage.

I could go on and on..but why bother.

I didn't have this reaction, though I can understand it.

To me, those are the faces of real Americans. They are the ones I care about, not the billionaires. And it seems to me they have been harmed in similar ways, by the same people.

WTH are you talking about? Where did I say I cared about billionaires?

Yikes!

I wasn't really directing that at you, Kat.

Mea culpa.

 

[Kat]

My honest reaction is that I REFUSE to dwell on the negative ''we can't make it, and are the gutter'' rhetoric.

Showed a lot of pics in the video from times when people would do ANY work to make a living, unlike now days where they won't work for a lower wage.

I could go on and on..but why bother.

Prosperity through low wages!

Who is talking about prosperity??? Why is it NOT okay for a person that is capable of working, to work for lower wages, rather than living for a hand out?

 

[Kat]

Is that your reply to disabled veterans as well?

That depends on the situation. If they refuse to give up the needle then yes. I don't see the purpose of a vet showing me his VFW card and then telling me he needs some money for food - two blocks away from the VFW where he's always going to get a meal and even a few beers. I told that guy to get in the car and as we were driving I told him where i was taking him.

"Oh I don't like the food there."

Then there was the guy I met last week who said he'd been homeless for 3 years and flew here looking for work and couldn't find any. I asked him if he tried the many citrus plants because it's picking season and he said, "that's for the Mexicans." So this guy is capable enough to take a plane to Florida, supposedly desperate enough to panhandle but won't pick fruit? But I still felt he deserved a meal so I offered to walk with him across the street and buy him lunch. He had the same answer:

"I don't like the food there."

What do you think should be done in those situations?

Well first, I don't look at poor people and see losers who won't work. I see people JUST LIKE ME who have problems, and need and DESERVE my help.

Addiction is a terrible, difficult problem and I have no easy answers. I commend you for getting involved with these people face to face......but do you really think a vet would be an addict if he had never seen combat? The problems of these men and women are more complex, and they are just as deserving of help.

I realize that you do not know asterism, but you know me, and I am telling you that if ANYONE helps, it would be him.