Exactly what and why was the 2nd amendment written like it is

Drafting the militia means, grabbing anyone, not just gun lovers; it could mean, emptying our jails to lower costs.

No, because if you are in prison, you are cannot be considered a full Citizen therefore under our original fore fathers way of thinking you would not be able to be a citizen and would not be able to own, possess or purchase a firearm.
The right of the People!

Even today, most states do not allow convicted felons to ever own firearms ever again. It's not a Federal thing, it's a state thing.
We have a Second Amendment.

Which only applies to the Federals. It does not apply to the States according to the SCOTUS. If you want the 2nd amendment to apply to the states you need to get it into the Congress and have it rewritten to include the states and have the President to sign it into law. The founding fathers never intended for it to apply to the states.
Congress has the authority to call up the militia.
 
Wrong the 14th amendment solved that problem incorporating the amendments into the States.

The 14th amendment has absolutely nothing to do with the 2nd amendment at all. What are you smoking over there or are you just throwing crap at the wall and seeing what will stick?
The 14th amendment has been used since it was written to INCORPORATE the other amendments at the State level. Or do you deny the 5th 6th 8th 4th amendments do not apply to the States?
 
No, because if you are in prison, you are cannot be considered a full Citizen therefore under our original fore fathers way of thinking you would not be able to be a citizen and would not be able to own, possess or purchase a firearm.
The right of the People!

Even today, most states do not allow convicted felons to ever own firearms ever again. It's not a Federal thing, it's a state thing.
We have a Second Amendment.

Which only applies to the Federals. It does not apply to the States according to the SCOTUS. If you want the 2nd amendment to apply to the states you need to get it into the Congress and have it rewritten to include the states and have the President to sign it into law. The founding fathers never intended for it to apply to the states.
Congress has the authority to call up the militia.

Wrong. They have the legal right to call up the National Guard, not the State Militia. Now, if any of the individual State Militia falls has prior obligation to either the Federal Military or are also in the National Guard, they can be nationalized. But if they have no prior obligation, they cannot be federalize without the individuals permission. It's been this way since the 1917 National Guard act.
 
Wrong the 14th amendment solved that problem incorporating the amendments into the States.

The 14th amendment has absolutely nothing to do with the 2nd amendment at all. What are you smoking over there or are you just throwing crap at the wall and seeing what will stick?
The 14th amendment has been used since it was written to INCORPORATE the other amendments at the State level. Or do you deny the 5th 6th 8th 4th amendments do not apply to the States?

4th amendment limits the Federal government in what it can do as in housing federal troops, etc.. The State has the right to issue Warrants for searches, the Feds don't have that right. It's a limit on the Feds, not the State.

5th amendment came about because of the Robber Barons. The Feds just took what they wanted at the price they wanted and used Federal Troops to back it up with force. It was revised in 1992 and many years prior to that. It limits the Federal Government.

6th amendment just states that the State has the power to try and how they can do it. It removes the Federals from it except in extenuating conditions. Each State has it's own method of doing it.

The list goes on and on. Mostly, the first 10 amendments are for limiting the Federal Governments powers. And it points out some of the powers of the State. Now, please throw more crap on that wall. Maybe something else will stick.
 
Wrong the 14th amendment solved that problem incorporating the amendments into the States.
The People is still plural not singular; and, natural, individual, and singular rights, are in State Constitutions.
Does not change the fact that the Supreme Court has ruled that the amendments apply to the States.
The People are the Militia. Well regulated militia are declared Necessary not the unorganized militia of the whole People.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
 
The right of the People!

Even today, most states do not allow convicted felons to ever own firearms ever again. It's not a Federal thing, it's a state thing.
We have a Second Amendment.

Which only applies to the Federals. It does not apply to the States according to the SCOTUS. If you want the 2nd amendment to apply to the states you need to get it into the Congress and have it rewritten to include the states and have the President to sign it into law. The founding fathers never intended for it to apply to the states.
Congress has the authority to call up the militia.

Wrong. They have the legal right to call up the National Guard, not the State Militia. Now, if any of the individual State Militia falls has prior obligation to either the Federal Military or are also in the National Guard, they can be nationalized. But if they have no prior obligation, they cannot be federalize without the individuals permission. It's been this way since the 1917 National Guard act.
Congress has the authority to call up the militia. That includes the unorganized militia.
 
Wrong the 14th amendment solved that problem incorporating the amendments into the States.

The 14th amendment has absolutely nothing to do with the 2nd amendment at all. What are you smoking over there or are you just throwing crap at the wall and seeing what will stick?
The 14th amendment has been used since it was written to INCORPORATE the other amendments at the State level. Or do you deny the 5th 6th 8th 4th amendments do not apply to the States?

4th amendment limits the Federal government in what it can do as in housing federal troops, etc.. The State has the right to issue Warrants for searches, the Feds don't have that right. It's a limit on the Feds, not the State.

5th amendment came about because of the Robber Barons. The Feds just took what they wanted at the price they wanted and used Federal Troops to back it up with force. It was revised in 1992 and many years prior to that. It limits the Federal Government.

6th amendment just states that the State has the power to try and how they can do it. It removes the Federals from it except in extenuating conditions. Each State has it's own method of doing it.

The list goes on and on. Mostly, the first 10 amendments are for limiting the Federal Governments powers. And it points out some of the powers of the State. Now, please throw more crap on that wall. Maybe something else will stick.
You really are stupid aren't you?
 
Wrong the 14th amendment solved that problem incorporating the amendments into the States.

The 14th amendment has absolutely nothing to do with the 2nd amendment at all. What are you smoking over there or are you just throwing crap at the wall and seeing what will stick?
The 14th amendment has been used since it was written to INCORPORATE the other amendments at the State level. Or do you deny the 5th 6th 8th 4th amendments do not apply to the States?

4th amendment limits the Federal government in what it can do as in housing federal troops, etc.. The State has the right to issue Warrants for searches, the Feds don't have that right. It's a limit on the Feds, not the State.

5th amendment came about because of the Robber Barons. The Feds just took what they wanted at the price they wanted and used Federal Troops to back it up with force. It was revised in 1992 and many years prior to that. It limits the Federal Government.

6th amendment just states that the State has the power to try and how they can do it. It removes the Federals from it except in extenuating conditions. Each State has it's own method of doing it.

The list goes on and on. Mostly, the first 10 amendments are for limiting the Federal Governments powers. And it points out some of the powers of the State. Now, please throw more crap on that wall. Maybe something else will stick.
Te 2nd amendment is an INDIVIDUAL right as determined by the Supreme Court I am afraid that applies to the States as well dumb ass.
 
Wrong the 14th amendment solved that problem incorporating the amendments into the States.

The 14th amendment has absolutely nothing to do with the 2nd amendment at all. What are you smoking over there or are you just throwing crap at the wall and seeing what will stick?
The 14th amendment has been used since it was written to INCORPORATE the other amendments at the State level. Or do you deny the 5th 6th 8th 4th amendments do not apply to the States?

4th amendment limits the Federal government in what it can do as in housing federal troops, etc.. The State has the right to issue Warrants for searches, the Feds don't have that right. It's a limit on the Feds, not the State.

5th amendment came about because of the Robber Barons. The Feds just took what they wanted at the price they wanted and used Federal Troops to back it up with force. It was revised in 1992 and many years prior to that. It limits the Federal Government.

6th amendment just states that the State has the power to try and how they can do it. It removes the Federals from it except in extenuating conditions. Each State has it's own method of doing it.

The list goes on and on. Mostly, the first 10 amendments are for limiting the Federal Governments powers. And it points out some of the powers of the State. Now, please throw more crap on that wall. Maybe something else will stick.
Te 2nd amendment is an INDIVIDUAL right as determined by the Supreme Court I am afraid that applies to the States as well dumb ass.

It limits the Feds and puts the onus on the State. Get over yourself.
 
Wrong the 14th amendment solved that problem incorporating the amendments into the States.

The 14th amendment has absolutely nothing to do with the 2nd amendment at all. What are you smoking over there or are you just throwing crap at the wall and seeing what will stick?
The 14th amendment has been used since it was written to INCORPORATE the other amendments at the State level. Or do you deny the 5th 6th 8th 4th amendments do not apply to the States?

4th amendment limits the Federal government in what it can do as in housing federal troops, etc.. The State has the right to issue Warrants for searches, the Feds don't have that right. It's a limit on the Feds, not the State.

5th amendment came about because of the Robber Barons. The Feds just took what they wanted at the price they wanted and used Federal Troops to back it up with force. It was revised in 1992 and many years prior to that. It limits the Federal Government.

6th amendment just states that the State has the power to try and how they can do it. It removes the Federals from it except in extenuating conditions. Each State has it's own method of doing it.

The list goes on and on. Mostly, the first 10 amendments are for limiting the Federal Governments powers. And it points out some of the powers of the State. Now, please throw more crap on that wall. Maybe something else will stick.
You really are stupid aren't you?

Thank you for verfying that you have nothing to say.
 
Even today, most states do not allow convicted felons to ever own firearms ever again. It's not a Federal thing, it's a state thing.
We have a Second Amendment.

Which only applies to the Federals. It does not apply to the States according to the SCOTUS. If you want the 2nd amendment to apply to the states you need to get it into the Congress and have it rewritten to include the states and have the President to sign it into law. The founding fathers never intended for it to apply to the states.
Congress has the authority to call up the militia.

Wrong. They have the legal right to call up the National Guard, not the State Militia. Now, if any of the individual State Militia falls has prior obligation to either the Federal Military or are also in the National Guard, they can be nationalized. But if they have no prior obligation, they cannot be federalize without the individuals permission. It's been this way since the 1917 National Guard act.
Congress has the authority to call up the militia. That includes the unorganized militia.

But not State Militias.
 
I notice that the fruitcakes don't like the history lesson so they hijack the thread. The real message is

The original founding fathers were made up of Auristocrats. And they made up only about 8% of the actual population. Their idea of what made up a real citizen was very narrow and if you didn't meet those requirements you weren't invited to join them. Here are the requirements to be a Citizen in 1770 according to the founding fathers

1. You must be Male
2. You must be White (No Tarnished Blood)
3. You must be a Land Owner
4, You must swear allegiance to the group of other "Citizens".

What seems to be left out is that the founding fathers condemned the Brits for trying to take the Rebels weapons to prevent a Revolution. But after the Revolution, the newly formed USA rounded up weapons of the Non Citizens to prevent a Revolution. This included British Simpthisers, all Blacks, All Spaniards, All Indians, ALL Mix Races, etc.. And don't forget the Women. One had to be a Citizen to own, possess, purchess and wield fire arms. During the Revolution, many "NoN" Citizens did use weapons on the promise that they would become land owners after the war making them full fledged Citizens. They were lied to. After the war, no land was granted and their weapons were confiscated. The Founding Fathers could not afford to have those people armed and allow them to assemble. There would have been another Revolution where the founding fathers wouldn't have fared so well.

Most of the first 10 Amendments have been revised to keep them current. Many have been redone as recent as 1992. But the 2nd amendment is still exactly as it was written. Don't you think it's time we updated it to modern times like most of the others? Or should be allow the 8% to be the only ones to have firearms and be the only ones to have the vote?
 
I won't look at today. I will look at the time around 1790.

Militia Act of 1792
Every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack.

First we need to look at who was a Citizen in 1790s. In the 1790s, ALL Blacks even free Blacks were prohibited from owning and carrying firearms. All People even whites that would not swear allegiance to the newly formed United States were prohibited from owning or carrying fire arms. Women were prohibited from owning or carrying firearms. Bonded Slaves, even whites were prohibited from owning or carrying firearms of any kind. It all pretty much boiled down that a Citizen was a Free White Male Land Owner deemed to be in good standing with the Existing Government both Stated and Federal Governments. It's been estimated that only about 8% of the population from that time met the full requirement to own, possess and carry firearms legally. Remember, more than half of the population of that time either supported the Crown or leaned heavily in that direction. The Newly Formed Colonist Government did exactly what the British Government tried to do themselves.

There were two rebellions that made the Militia Act of 1792 to be written and adopted. The Shays Rebellion of 1786-1787 and the Whiskey Rebellion 1791-1794. While neither amounted to much, the founding fathers were scared to death that something else might come up that might endanger the newly formed Government so they adopted the 2nd Amendment as it was written since there was no Standing Army to prevent any decent resurrection from becoming successful. It was left up to each state individually to provide the militias to prevent it from happening. As long as the states agreed and didn't go to war with each other.

Using the original definition, if you don't own your House, Farm or Business and you don't completely and blindly support our current Government then are not a Citizen in Good Standings and will not be afforded the right to own, posses or carry any form of Firearms. Oh, and you must be a Free White Male as well.

Well, we have what the Founding Fathers were saying in the House (unfortunately the Senate was secret).

Amendment II: House of Representatives, Amendments to the Constitution

Basically they talk about what "bear arms" means.

It means "render military service" and "militia duty".

It's clear as day.

Sit back and watch everyone come on here and ignore the fuck out of this document because it's not convenient for them.
 
I won't look at today. I will look at the time around 1790.

Militia Act of 1792
Every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack.

First we need to look at who was a Citizen in 1790s. In the 1790s, ALL Blacks even free Blacks were prohibited from owning and carrying firearms. All People even whites that would not swear allegiance to the newly formed United States were prohibited from owning or carrying fire arms. Women were prohibited from owning or carrying firearms. Bonded Slaves, even whites were prohibited from owning or carrying firearms of any kind. It all pretty much boiled down that a Citizen was a Free White Male Land Owner deemed to be in good standing with the Existing Government both Stated and Federal Governments. It's been estimated that only about 8% of the population from that time met the full requirement to own, possess and carry firearms legally. Remember, more than half of the population of that time either supported the Crown or leaned heavily in that direction. The Newly Formed Colonist Government did exactly what the British Government tried to do themselves.

There were two rebellions that made the Militia Act of 1792 to be written and adopted. The Shays Rebellion of 1786-1787 and the Whiskey Rebellion 1791-1794. While neither amounted to much, the founding fathers were scared to death that something else might come up that might endanger the newly formed Government so they adopted the 2nd Amendment as it was written since there was no Standing Army to prevent any decent resurrection from becoming successful. It was left up to each state individually to provide the militias to prevent it from happening. As long as the states agreed and didn't go to war with each other.

Using the original definition, if you don't own your House, Farm or Business and you don't completely and blindly support our current Government then are not a Citizen in Good Standings and will not be afforded the right to own, posses or carry any form of Firearms. Oh, and you must be a Free White Male as well.

Well, we have what the Founding Fathers were saying in the House (unfortunately the Senate was secret).

Amendment II: House of Representatives, Amendments to the Constitution

Basically they talk about what "bear arms" means.

It means "render military service" and "militia duty".

It's clear as day.

Sit back and watch everyone come on here and ignore the fuck out of this document because it's not convenient for them.

It took the war of 1812 to get rid of the "No Standing Army" clause. As weak as the Brits were in the Americas, the USA had to take the time to raise an Army in order to combat them. It took the burning of the Whitehouse for it to sink in. It was later changed to a standing army of no more than 75,000 which was deemed enough to buy the time to raise an even larger army if needed. At that point, the 2nd amendment no longer made a lot of sense since no one state could really raise a Militia of 75,000 or more Militia if the Feds decided to go rogue for many decades. The 2nd amendment is archaically worded and should have been updated right after 1812 to match the change in times.

Now, I might support it if it were to be changed to "Arm Bears". it would make hunting Bears a whole new experience. Imagine hunting a Bear who is armed with a Mah Duece. Or cornering a Deer who is armed with a Bazooka. Or a Rabbit with a 9mm Handgun. makes that walk through the woods a real adventure.
 
I won't look at today. I will look at the time around 1790.

Militia Act of 1792
Every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack.

First we need to look at who was a Citizen in 1790s. In the 1790s, ALL Blacks even free Blacks were prohibited from owning and carrying firearms. All People even whites that would not swear allegiance to the newly formed United States were prohibited from owning or carrying fire arms. Women were prohibited from owning or carrying firearms. Bonded Slaves, even whites were prohibited from owning or carrying firearms of any kind. It all pretty much boiled down that a Citizen was a Free White Male Land Owner deemed to be in good standing with the Existing Government both Stated and Federal Governments. It's been estimated that only about 8% of the population from that time met the full requirement to own, possess and carry firearms legally. Remember, more than half of the population of that time either supported the Crown or leaned heavily in that direction. The Newly Formed Colonist Government did exactly what the British Government tried to do themselves.

There were two rebellions that made the Militia Act of 1792 to be written and adopted. The Shays Rebellion of 1786-1787 and the Whiskey Rebellion 1791-1794. While neither amounted to much, the founding fathers were scared to death that something else might come up that might endanger the newly formed Government so they adopted the 2nd Amendment as it was written since there was no Standing Army to prevent any decent resurrection from becoming successful. It was left up to each state individually to provide the militias to prevent it from happening. As long as the states agreed and didn't go to war with each other.

Using the original definition, if you don't own your House, Farm or Business and you don't completely and blindly support our current Government then are not a Citizen in Good Standings and will not be afforded the right to own, posses or carry any form of Firearms. Oh, and you must be a Free White Male as well.

Well, we have what the Founding Fathers were saying in the House (unfortunately the Senate was secret).

Amendment II: House of Representatives, Amendments to the Constitution

Basically they talk about what "bear arms" means.

It means "render military service" and "militia duty".

It's clear as day.

Sit back and watch everyone come on here and ignore the fuck out of this document because it's not convenient for them.

It took the war of 1812 to get rid of the "No Standing Army" clause. As weak as the Brits were in the Americas, the USA had to take the time to raise an Army in order to combat them. It took the burning of the Whitehouse for it to sink in. It was later changed to a standing army of no more than 75,000 which was deemed enough to buy the time to raise an even larger army if needed. At that point, the 2nd amendment no longer made a lot of sense since no one state could really raise a Militia of 75,000 or more Militia if the Feds decided to go rogue for many decades. The 2nd amendment is archaically worded and should have been updated right after 1812 to match the change in times.

Now, I might support it if it were to be changed to "Arm Bears". it would make hunting Bears a whole new experience. Imagine hunting a Bear who is armed with a Mah Duece. Or cornering a Deer who is armed with a Bazooka. Or a Rabbit with a 9mm Handgun. makes that walk through the woods a real adventure.

But the point of the militia isn't just to have a replacement for the standing army.
 
I won't look at today. I will look at the time around 1790.

Militia Act of 1792
Every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack.

First we need to look at who was a Citizen in 1790s. In the 1790s, ALL Blacks even free Blacks were prohibited from owning and carrying firearms. All People even whites that would not swear allegiance to the newly formed United States were prohibited from owning or carrying fire arms. Women were prohibited from owning or carrying firearms. Bonded Slaves, even whites were prohibited from owning or carrying firearms of any kind. It all pretty much boiled down that a Citizen was a Free White Male Land Owner deemed to be in good standing with the Existing Government both Stated and Federal Governments. It's been estimated that only about 8% of the population from that time met the full requirement to own, possess and carry firearms legally. Remember, more than half of the population of that time either supported the Crown or leaned heavily in that direction. The Newly Formed Colonist Government did exactly what the British Government tried to do themselves.

There were two rebellions that made the Militia Act of 1792 to be written and adopted. The Shays Rebellion of 1786-1787 and the Whiskey Rebellion 1791-1794. While neither amounted to much, the founding fathers were scared to death that something else might come up that might endanger the newly formed Government so they adopted the 2nd Amendment as it was written since there was no Standing Army to prevent any decent resurrection from becoming successful. It was left up to each state individually to provide the militias to prevent it from happening. As long as the states agreed and didn't go to war with each other.

Using the original definition, if you don't own your House, Farm or Business and you don't completely and blindly support our current Government then are not a Citizen in Good Standings and will not be afforded the right to own, posses or carry any form of Firearms. Oh, and you must be a Free White Male as well.

Well, we have what the Founding Fathers were saying in the House (unfortunately the Senate was secret).

Amendment II: House of Representatives, Amendments to the Constitution

Basically they talk about what "bear arms" means.

It means "render military service" and "militia duty".

It's clear as day.

Sit back and watch everyone come on here and ignore the fuck out of this document because it's not convenient for them.

It took the war of 1812 to get rid of the "No Standing Army" clause. As weak as the Brits were in the Americas, the USA had to take the time to raise an Army in order to combat them. It took the burning of the Whitehouse for it to sink in. It was later changed to a standing army of no more than 75,000 which was deemed enough to buy the time to raise an even larger army if needed. At that point, the 2nd amendment no longer made a lot of sense since no one state could really raise a Militia of 75,000 or more Militia if the Feds decided to go rogue for many decades. The 2nd amendment is archaically worded and should have been updated right after 1812 to match the change in times.

Now, I might support it if it were to be changed to "Arm Bears". it would make hunting Bears a whole new experience. Imagine hunting a Bear who is armed with a Mah Duece. Or cornering a Deer who is armed with a Bazooka. Or a Rabbit with a 9mm Handgun. makes that walk through the woods a real adventure.

But the point of the militia isn't just to have a replacement for the standing army.

In their brilliance, our "Founding Fathers" tried to not have a standing army at all. In it's place was a state sponsored Militia that could be called up at will by each state. That only works until another country with a standing army attacks. In 1812, Britain attacked and overwhelmed the various Militias who weren't working together. So the USA quickly put together a Standing Army to combat the Brits. The Brits realized that it wouldn't take much to defeat the US because of the ridiculousness of it's military doctrine so they really didn't take it very serious. It was a steep learning curve that the US adapted to fast. Britain came very close to defeating the US. After that, there was a standing army of not more than 75,000 rule that was in force for many decades for the US until right around the start of the Civil War or possibly the Indian wars.

The original point of the Militia was so that there was no need for a standing army at all to prevent the Federals from becoming too powerful. It didn't work out too well.
 
I won't look at today. I will look at the time around 1790.

Militia Act of 1792
Every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack.

First we need to look at who was a Citizen in 1790s. In the 1790s, ALL Blacks even free Blacks were prohibited from owning and carrying firearms. All People even whites that would not swear allegiance to the newly formed United States were prohibited from owning or carrying fire arms. Women were prohibited from owning or carrying firearms. Bonded Slaves, even whites were prohibited from owning or carrying firearms of any kind. It all pretty much boiled down that a Citizen was a Free White Male Land Owner deemed to be in good standing with the Existing Government both Stated and Federal Governments. It's been estimated that only about 8% of the population from that time met the full requirement to own, possess and carry firearms legally. Remember, more than half of the population of that time either supported the Crown or leaned heavily in that direction. The Newly Formed Colonist Government did exactly what the British Government tried to do themselves.

There were two rebellions that made the Militia Act of 1792 to be written and adopted. The Shays Rebellion of 1786-1787 and the Whiskey Rebellion 1791-1794. While neither amounted to much, the founding fathers were scared to death that something else might come up that might endanger the newly formed Government so they adopted the 2nd Amendment as it was written since there was no Standing Army to prevent any decent resurrection from becoming successful. It was left up to each state individually to provide the militias to prevent it from happening. As long as the states agreed and didn't go to war with each other.

Using the original definition, if you don't own your House, Farm or Business and you don't completely and blindly support our current Government then are not a Citizen in Good Standings and will not be afforded the right to own, posses or carry any form of Firearms. Oh, and you must be a Free White Male as well.

Well, we have what the Founding Fathers were saying in the House (unfortunately the Senate was secret).

Amendment II: House of Representatives, Amendments to the Constitution

Basically they talk about what "bear arms" means.

It means "render military service" and "militia duty".

It's clear as day.

Sit back and watch everyone come on here and ignore the fuck out of this document because it's not convenient for them.

It took the war of 1812 to get rid of the "No Standing Army" clause. As weak as the Brits were in the Americas, the USA had to take the time to raise an Army in order to combat them. It took the burning of the Whitehouse for it to sink in. It was later changed to a standing army of no more than 75,000 which was deemed enough to buy the time to raise an even larger army if needed. At that point, the 2nd amendment no longer made a lot of sense since no one state could really raise a Militia of 75,000 or more Militia if the Feds decided to go rogue for many decades. The 2nd amendment is archaically worded and should have been updated right after 1812 to match the change in times.

Now, I might support it if it were to be changed to "Arm Bears". it would make hunting Bears a whole new experience. Imagine hunting a Bear who is armed with a Mah Duece. Or cornering a Deer who is armed with a Bazooka. Or a Rabbit with a 9mm Handgun. makes that walk through the woods a real adventure.

But the point of the militia isn't just to have a replacement for the standing army.

In their brilliance, our "Founding Fathers" tried to not have a standing army at all. In it's place was a state sponsored Militia that could be called up at will by each state. That only works until another country with a standing army attacks. In 1812, Britain attacked and overwhelmed the various Militias who weren't working together. So the USA quickly put together a Standing Army to combat the Brits. The Brits realized that it wouldn't take much to defeat the US because of the ridiculousness of it's military doctrine so they really didn't take it very serious. It was a steep learning curve that the US adapted to fast. Britain came very close to defeating the US. After that, there was a standing army of not more than 75,000 rule that was in force for many decades for the US until right around the start of the Civil War or possibly the Indian wars.

The original point of the Militia was so that there was no need for a standing army at all to prevent the Federals from becoming too powerful. It didn't work out too well.

Could there, possibly, be more than one reason to have a militia?
 

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