Ex Top Gear Presenter Richard Hammond in Hospital Following Hill Climb Crash

[WheelieAddict]

Hit that corner way too hot. Lucky to live after a fuckup like that.

He wasn't going that fast to be honest. I would guess at between 85 and 95 mph, well within the normal handling capabilities of a modern supercar. He lost mechanical grip in the first corner when he tapped the brakes which unloaded the rear and caused it to oversteer to the left. It basically behaved like a Porche 911 without a rear wing. I would love to see the telemetry off of that car.

He was flat out on a straight and came into a tricky section with a curve before a sharp corner where he couldn't mash the brakes to make the turn without spinning out. He came in too hot thats all there is to it.

Spoken like someone who has never driven a truly exceptional car. The car has minimal aerodynamic downforce, thus it relies on mechanical grip to get it through those types of turn sequences (which are not that tricky at all), I have a 60 year old GT40 that can take that turn with no issue at around 110-120 mph (I would have to see the road condition to tell for sure) because it has good aero for its age, is incredibly well balanced and the mechanical grip is mind boggling.

Like I said, I feel that the car is mainly to blame for the crash.

The grip is mind boggling until you get loose, then it is the car's fault of course not the driver

 

[westwall]

He wasn't going that fast to be honest. I would guess at between 85 and 95 mph, well within the normal handling capabilities of a modern supercar. He lost mechanical grip in the first corner when he tapped the brakes which unloaded the rear and caused it to oversteer to the left. It basically behaved like a Porche 911 without a rear wing. I would love to see the telemetry off of that car.

He was flat out on a straight and came into a tricky section with a curve before a sharp corner where he couldn't mash the brakes to make the turn without spinning out. He came in too hot thats all there is to it.

Spoken like someone who has never driven a truly exceptional car. The car has minimal aerodynamic downforce, thus it relies on mechanical grip to get it through those types of turn sequences (which are not that tricky at all), I have a 60 year old GT40 that can take that turn with no issue at around 110-120 mph (I would have to see the road condition to tell for sure) because it has good aero for its age, is incredibly well balanced and the mechanical grip is mind boggling.

Like I said, I feel that the car is mainly to blame for the crash.

Here's where it seems you and I have a basic fundamentally different way of looking at things.
The "car" is not "to blame for the crash" you idiot!
The DRIVER is ultimately to blame. Hammond didn't know how the car was going to drive!
He made a LOT of assumptions!
He ought to have put in a hundred laps at LEAST to find out what the handling characteristics of the car where before taking that corner, as noted, too fast and choosing the wrong approach to the apex.
Hammond does this sort of thing.
Once years ago he got into a sports car owned by a friend. It was his first time in the car. He drove straight onto the track and into an oncoming car! HE HADN'T TESTED THE FUCKING BRAKE BIAS!!!!!!
Same as "guns kill people". Fucking People kill people.........with whatever they have handy!
Bottom line: Human error is always 100% responsible for accidents.
I used to teach a safety course years ago. No one EVER was able to bring up ANY instance where ultimately it didn't end up being some human had fucked up somehow.
BTW. A meteor hitting a car and causing it to crash is NOT an 'accident'. Nor is a deer jumping in front of a car and ending up in the driver's lap an 'accident'.

Here's where I disagree with you. A driver practices with a car with all of its drivers aids available and working. He gets used to doing a particular driving sequence based upon those drivers aids working. Then, when he does the run for the umpteenth time, one of those drivers aids fails and he crashes because of that.

Now, this is based on watching a very small section of video. Stasha is absolutely correct that Hamsters approach to the corner is completely wrong, unless you have those drivers aids, and you have practiced that particular stretch of road so are doing an unorthodox attack because of extensive prior knowledge.

If, on the other hand the super car has no drivers aids, and the Hamster was taking that corner for the first time, then yes, absolutely, it is all his fault. Like I said at the very beginning, based on what little we know, and how extensive the Grand Tour preps it's pieces my assumptions are logic based. But, they could be completely off base, I simply don't have all of the facts.

Hammond was driving the two million dollar car for the first time. He had NEVER taken a SINGLE practise lap in that car on that road course.
Google it!

In which case he took the corner the worst possible way, and the crash is wholly on him.

 

[westwall]

Hit that corner way too hot. Lucky to live after a fuckup like that.

He wasn't going that fast to be honest. I would guess at between 85 and 95 mph, well within the normal handling capabilities of a modern supercar. He lost mechanical grip in the first corner when he tapped the brakes which unloaded the rear and caused it to oversteer to the left. It basically behaved like a Porche 911 without a rear wing. I would love to see the telemetry off of that car.

He was flat out on a straight and came into a tricky section with a curve before a sharp corner where he couldn't mash the brakes to make the turn without spinning out. He came in too hot thats all there is to it.

Spoken like someone who has never driven a truly exceptional car. The car has minimal aerodynamic downforce, thus it relies on mechanical grip to get it through those types of turn sequences (which are not that tricky at all), I have a 60 year old GT40 that can take that turn with no issue at around 110-120 mph (I would have to see the road condition to tell for sure) because it has good aero for its age, is incredibly well balanced and the mechanical grip is mind boggling.

Like I said, I feel that the car is mainly to blame for the crash.

The grip is mind boggling until you get loose, then it is the car's fault of course not the driver

So, if I'm driving a race car. An Indy car let's say, and the car has been performing great and the river is in a groove and has been for 25 laps or so, and then the right rear tire degrades suddenly due to a manufacturing defect that only affects that one tire, but that tire suddenly loses grip and the car crashes because of it (happens at least once a year) that is driver error?

Get real.

 

[WheelieAddict]

Spoken like someone who has never driven a truly exceptional car. The car has minimal aerodynamic downforce, thus it relies on mechanical grip to get it through those types of turn sequences (which are not that tricky at all), I have a 60 year old GT40 that can take that turn with no issue at around 110-120 mph (I would have to see the road condition to tell for






So, if I'm driving a race car. An Indy car let's say, and the car has been performing great and the river is in a groove and has been for 25 laps or so, and then the right rear tire degrades suddenly due to a manufacturing defect that only affects that one tire, but that tire suddenly loses grip and the car crashes because of it (happens at least once a year) that is driver error?

Get real.[/QUOTE]

Hit that corner way too hot. Lucky to live after a fuckup like that.

He wasn't going that fast to be honest. I would guess at between 85 and 95 mph, well within the normal handling capabilities of a modern supercar. He lost mechanical grip in the first corner when he tapped the brakes which unloaded the rear and caused it to oversteer to the left. It basically behaved like a Porche 911 without a rear wing. I would love to see the telemetry off of that car.

He was flat out on a straight and came into a tricky section with a curve before a sharp corner where he couldn't mash the brakes to make the turn without spinning out. He came in too hot thats all there is to it.

Spoken like someone who has never driven a truly exceptional car. The car has minimal aerodynamic downforce, thus it relies on mechanical grip to get it through those types of turn sequences (which are not that tricky at all), I have a 60 year old GT40 that can take that turn with no issue at around 110-120 mph (I would have to see the road condition to tell for sure) because it has good aero for its age, is incredibly well balanced and the mechanical grip is mind boggling.

Like I said, I feel that the car is mainly to blame for the crash.

The grip is mind boggling until you get loose, then it is the car's fault of course not the driver

So, if I'm driving a race car. An Indy car let's say, and the car has been performing great and the river is in a groove and has been for 25 laps or so, and then the right rear tire degrades suddenly due to a manufacturing defect that only affects that one tire, but that tire suddenly loses grip and the car crashes because of it (happens at least once a year) that is driver error?

Get real.

I don't understand why you have to imply I don't understand high end cars or their capabilities when there is a high probability that I am right and he simply came in way too hot. Enjoy your egocentric narrative and perceived status as guru of racing.

 

[WheelieAddict]

Hit that corner way too hot. Lucky to live after a fuckup like that.

He wasn't going that fast to be honest. I would guess at between 85 and 95 mph, well within the normal handling capabilities of a modern supercar. He lost mechanical grip in the first corner when he tapped the brakes which unloaded the rear and caused it to oversteer to the left. It basically behaved like a Porche 911 without a rear wing. I would love to see the telemetry off of that car.

He was flat out on a straight and came into a tricky section with a curve before a sharp corner where he couldn't mash the brakes to make the turn without spinning out. He came in too hot thats all there is to it.

Spoken like someone who has never driven a truly exceptional car. The car has minimal aerodynamic downforce, thus it relies on mechanical grip to get it through those types of turn sequences (which are not that tricky at all), I have a 60 year old GT40 that can take that turn with no issue at around 110-120 mph (I would have to see the road condition to tell for sure) because it has good aero for its age, is incredibly well balanced and the mechanical grip is mind boggling.

Like I said, I feel that the car is mainly to blame for the crash.

Spoken like someone who thinks they know everything because they drove a fast car once, has never raced anything ever, and is wrong.

 

[yiostheoy]

Former "Top Gear" presenter Richard Hammond was air lifted to hospital following the fiery crash of his £2 million electric supercar during the hill climb portion of the Hemberg rally in Switzerland on Saturday. Preliminary reports state that Hammond suffered only a fractured knee and was able to extract himself from the overturned vehicle. No other vehicles were involved.

Hammond, 47, was piloting a Croatian-built Rimac Concept One electric supercar on a closed course when it left the road on a left hand curve and went down an embankment where it overturned and caught fire. The hill climb was being filmed as part of the former Top Gear threesome of Hammond, James May and Jeremy Clarkson's new show "Grand Tour" for Amazon.

Richard Hammond 'airlifted to hospital' after horror crash

SUV's and ATV's often roll over.

That's why they have roll bars.

Hammond's knee must have been sticking out of the cage area.

Off-roading is why I will never own an electric or a hybrid vehicle.

I need gasoline power to get me up those steep slopes.

 

[westwall]

Hit that corner way too hot. Lucky to live after a fuckup like that.

He wasn't going that fast to be honest. I would guess at between 85 and 95 mph, well within the normal handling capabilities of a modern supercar. He lost mechanical grip in the first corner when he tapped the brakes which unloaded the rear and caused it to oversteer to the left. It basically behaved like a Porche 911 without a rear wing. I would love to see the telemetry off of that car.

He was flat out on a straight and came into a tricky section with a curve before a sharp corner where he couldn't mash the brakes to make the turn without spinning out. He came in too hot thats all there is to it.

Spoken like someone who has never driven a truly exceptional car. The car has minimal aerodynamic downforce, thus it relies on mechanical grip to get it through those types of turn sequences (which are not that tricky at all), I have a 60 year old GT40 that can take that turn with no issue at around 110-120 mph (I would have to see the road condition to tell for sure) because it has good aero for its age, is incredibly well balanced and the mechanical grip is mind boggling.

Like I said, I feel that the car is mainly to blame for the crash.

Spoken like someone who thinks they know everything because they drove a fast car once, has never raced anything ever, and is wrong.

Never claimed to know it all. Used to race a lot of Show Room Stock in SCCA events, and have driven fast, fast cars, lots of times. And in fact own a fast, fast car. I have my Ford GT 200 mph Club cert. You?