Evil Repubs: "We must pay for unemployment benefits" Democrats: "No"

The same thing can be said of the democrats. Two years ago, 0bama was a deficit hawk, until he came into office and spent twice as much as the tax income in a single year.

Royalties are contracts. The constitution forbids your idea.

Royalties are also set by auction. Even if it did pass constitutional muster, it would permanently depress the money the government could get out of any future auctions.

Republicans let PAYGO expire because they couldn't do their tax cuts and Medicare part D, aka budget busters, under PAYGO rules. The deficits created by both of those, plus the ongoing cost of the Iraq war, comprise a major portion of what is called Obama's deficit.

Realizing that much of the deficit was their, the current problem is, Obama keeps ADDING to the it. If he were truly about "Change", he would have worked toward reducing it not increasing it.

Well there's an insidious cycle at work that's been going on for decades. Republicans run on cutting taxes, increasing military spending, reducing the size of the rest of government, and balancing the budget.

When they get in power, they do one and two, and ignore three and four, and leave power with another round of massive deficits in place, and then, the Democrats are expected to fix it.

The problem is, obviously, that any real fix is politically toxic.
 
Okay. It'd do a lot more for the nation than taxing the shit out of everything, which does nothing but raise prices for the consumer, until the consumer won't pay any more and the business folds.

Okay, so you're retarded. You have my sympathies.
:( Coming from you, that's absolutely meaningless. :lol:

Meanwhile, let's hear more about your fascinating theory that says taking more money from companies will make them hire more people and not raise prices!

Alaska pays for 80% of its state budget with oil revenues. According to your still mind boggling exercise in dementia,

Alaska should be giving its oil away because that would create more jobs.

btw, Alaska gets about 3 times the royalty rate that the federal government gets, AND has a windfall profits tax provision in place (thanks to Sarah Palin and the Alaska Democrats).
 
Republicans want to pay for unemployment extension without adding to the national debt and Democrats say screw you....

I guess we know who is really responsible for our debt growing to the size it is.... What's wrong with Democrats? And why can't the US government live by a budget like Obama is telling the US citizens to live by.... Once again more hypocrisy....

Democrats, are you not embarrassed by your leaders yet????? The same thing that is happening to Illinois is happening to the Federal Government and most of you Democrats either don't give a shit or are just to stupid to understand. Sad....


Dems refuse compromise to extend unemployment benefits | Washington Examiner

When is the GOP going to start paying for our invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan? And since WHEN did the GOP start caring about paying for things?

The GOP doesn't pay.

The CURRENT REGIME in congress makes those decisions.

Tell me VA Yank, who controls congress right now?

More importantly what POTUS has authority to draw down the troops with or WITHOUT input from Congress?

Sorry, so[port but you cannot JUST blame this on the GOP.

The DEMS own this deficit no less than the Reps, own it.

They both set this nation up to FAIL.

They've been doing that good cop/bad cop game my entire freaking life.

Nice dodge, editec. Let me rephrase to make it simpler for you to comprehend. When will the GOP start demanding that we pay for our invasion and occupation of Iraq and Asghanistan? Why haven't they made these demands in the past? Why are they only now demanding we pay for unemployment benefits? The invasions and occupations have cost us over a trillion dollars already. And what have we gained? How much have the extension of unemployment benefits cost us?
 
After the bill failed, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., offered a compromise that would extend benefits for two months and pay for it fully with unused stimulus funding. But Reid turned it down.

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Senate Majority Whip Richard Durbin, D-Ill., told The Washington Examiner on Thursday that unemployment benefits are considered emergency spending and do not fall under the same rules requiring them to be offset.

"We've never done it," Durbin said. "And it is counterintuitive that to stop a recession we have to take spending away from one area and put it into another. We need to put money into the economy."
But the money hasn't been spent, idiot. If it hasn't been spent, it hasn't been put into the economy.

And Democrats claim their economic ideas are realistic and workable. :cuckoo:

more than 50% has not been spent it is sitting around waiting to be used to buy votes in the up coming election. it was never going to used to create jobs
just another one of the OBAMA LIES!!!!!!
 
I propose that we do make the unemployment compesation deficit neutral. In the time of 'Nam, Johnson instituted a wartime surcharge on income tax. That is a precident. Given that the wage earners are out of work because of the actions of the people that have the highest incomes, figure out a surcharge that would cover the unemployment compensation and put it into effect.

None of those affected will be making any appearances at the local food bank, while all too many that used to give to those banks, are now needing their assistance.


Wow. Talk about green eyed class warfare.

Riddle me this: how did a small business owner who risked his own money to build a business cause wager earners to be out of work?

Your world view is one of wishing to see everyone equally miserable and being consumed with envy that someone else has actually earned something you don't have. How pathetic.
 
Republicans want to pay for unemployment extension without adding to the national debt and Democrats say screw you....

I guess we know who is really responsible for our debt growing to the size it is.... What's wrong with Democrats? And why can't the US government live by a budget like Obama is telling the US citizens to live by.... Once again more hypocrisy....

Democrats, are you not embarrassed by your leaders yet?????
Not a prob!

Let's MAKE A DEAL!!!!!!

:cool:

"Now with the Congressional GOP again following Bush the Elder's formula on the $34 billion extension of jobless benefits, Democrats should make them an offer they can't refuse. Democrats will pay for the 3 million desperate Americans whose unemployment checks will end this month by reinstating the expired estate tax on the rich. If Republicans still say no, they will be sending an unmistakable message about whose side they are really on."

:clap2:
 
I propose that we do make the unemployment compesation deficit neutral. In the time of 'Nam, Johnson instituted a wartime surcharge on income tax. That is a precident. Given that the wage earners are out of work because of the actions of the people that have the highest incomes, figure out a surcharge that would cover the unemployment compensation and put it into effect.

None of those affected will be making any appearances at the local food bank, while all too many that used to give to those banks, are now needing their assistance.


Wow. Talk about green eyed class warfare.

Riddle me this: how did a small business owner who risked his own money to build a business cause wager earners to be out of work?

Your world view is one of wishing to see everyone equally miserable and being consumed with envy that someone else has actually earned something you don't have. How pathetic.
Oh......you've already heard, huh?

:rolleyes:
 
Now wait just a minute there Slick, the Dems are merely following St Ronnie, who can do no economic wrong.

"Reagan proved deficits don't matter."
Dick Cheney

'I don't worry about the deficit. It's big enough to take care of itself.'
Ronald Reagan
 
Democrats, are you not embarrassed by your leaders yet????? The same thing that is happening to Illinois is happening to the Federal Government and most of you Democrats either don't give a shit or are just to stupid to understand.
Hey, c'mon....whattaya complainin'-about????

Your boy George Macaca found a gig; pitchin' for FAUX Noise!!!!

:eusa_eh:
 
You are neglecting the fact that the Dems are sitting on $400B of unspent stimulus funds. If they really cared about extending benefits for the unemployed, they could use some of the unspent stimulus pork.

The fact that they haven't says a lot about who they really are serving.

more than 50% has not been spent it is sitting around waiting to be used to buy votes in the up coming election. it was never going to used to create jobs
just another one of the OBAMA LIES!!!!!!
These two posts are perfect examples of how CON$ use a germ of truth to lie while accusing everyone else of lying.

While it is true that only a little more than half of the stimulus is "spent" as of last month, that doesn't mean that the rest of the money is available to spend. Money was alloted for tax benefits in 2009 and 2010. Obviously all the tax receipts are not in for 2010 so all that alloted money has not been spent. Likewise there are many projects that were funded and contracted for that have not been completed yet and so have not been completely paid for yet. And then you have GOP governors who took the stimulus money but won't spend it because they don't want the economy to recover so their Party can regain power.

That same desire to regain power is why the GOP demand stimulus dollars be diverted from stimulating the economy to pay for other things. Their only desire is to cripple the stimulus so they can get their power back. That's why they delayed passing the stimulus until UE was over 8% and that's why they want to divert as much of the stimulus away from helping the economy as they cam.

Obama should simply take a page out of the GOP playbook and call UE benefits "supplemental" funding and keep it "off budget" like Bush kept trillions "off budget" in his 8 years. :lol:
 
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Okay, so you're retarded. You have my sympathies.
:( Coming from you, that's absolutely meaningless. :lol:

Meanwhile, let's hear more about your fascinating theory that says taking more money from companies will make them hire more people and not raise prices!

Alaska pays for 80% of its state budget with oil revenues. According to your still mind boggling exercise in dementia,

Alaska should be giving its oil away because that would create more jobs.

btw, Alaska gets about 3 times the royalty rate that the federal government gets, AND has a windfall profits tax provision in place (thanks to Sarah Palin and the Alaska Democrats).

Darn it, I was SO hoping daveman would entertain us with a more detailed essay on why it would be better for the US to GIVE AWAY all its natural resources to corporations.

Anyone agree with daveman? Anyone think daveman is not demented on this issue??

Sign in please!!!
 
:( Coming from you, that's absolutely meaningless. :lol:

Meanwhile, let's hear more about your fascinating theory that says taking more money from companies will make them hire more people and not raise prices!

Alaska pays for 80% of its state budget with oil revenues. According to your still mind boggling exercise in dementia,

Alaska should be giving its oil away because that would create more jobs.

btw, Alaska gets about 3 times the royalty rate that the federal government gets, AND has a windfall profits tax provision in place (thanks to Sarah Palin and the Alaska Democrats).

Darn it, I was SO hoping daveman would entertain us with a more detailed essay on why it would be better for the US to GIVE AWAY all its natural resources to corporations.

Anyone agree with daveman? Anyone think daveman is not demented on this issue??

Sign in please!!!

they have him well and fully trained, don't they?
 
Okay, so you're retarded. You have my sympathies.
:( Coming from you, that's absolutely meaningless. :lol:

Meanwhile, let's hear more about your fascinating theory that says taking more money from companies will make them hire more people and not raise prices!

Alaska pays for 80% of its state budget with oil revenues. According to your still mind boggling exercise in dementia,

Alaska should be giving its oil away because that would create more jobs.

btw, Alaska gets about 3 times the royalty rate that the federal government gets, AND has a windfall profits tax provision in place (thanks to Sarah Palin and the Alaska Democrats).
Now explain how taxing companies more will decrease unemployment and not raise consumer prices, genius. :lol:
 
:( Coming from you, that's absolutely meaningless. :lol:

Meanwhile, let's hear more about your fascinating theory that says taking more money from companies will make them hire more people and not raise prices!

Alaska pays for 80% of its state budget with oil revenues. According to your still mind boggling exercise in dementia,

Alaska should be giving its oil away because that would create more jobs.

btw, Alaska gets about 3 times the royalty rate that the federal government gets, AND has a windfall profits tax provision in place (thanks to Sarah Palin and the Alaska Democrats).

Darn it, I was SO hoping daveman would entertain us with a more detailed essay on why it would be better for the US to GIVE AWAY all its natural resources to corporations.

Anyone agree with daveman? Anyone think daveman is not demented on this issue??

Sign in please!!!
It's fairly obvious, isn't it? If companies don't have to pay for raw materials, consumer prices will go down. The companies will have more money to invest in expansion, thus hiring more employees.

...unless you think high prices and more unemployed are a good thing.
 
Alaska pays for 80% of its state budget with oil revenues. According to your still mind boggling exercise in dementia,

Alaska should be giving its oil away because that would create more jobs.

btw, Alaska gets about 3 times the royalty rate that the federal government gets, AND has a windfall profits tax provision in place (thanks to Sarah Palin and the Alaska Democrats).

Darn it, I was SO hoping daveman would entertain us with a more detailed essay on why it would be better for the US to GIVE AWAY all its natural resources to corporations.

Anyone agree with daveman? Anyone think daveman is not demented on this issue??

Sign in please!!!

they have him well and fully trained, don't they?
"KKKorporations are EEEEVIL!!"

Who's trained again? :lol:
 
The Republicans only got fiscal responsibility religion when they were no longer the majority and no longer could dictate where the money was spent. Now that the Democrats can do what the Republicans could do for a decade, suddenly the Republicans are born again deficit hawks.

I say pay for the the UE extension, and a few other things, by doubling the royalties on oil drilling on federal lands and waters.

Unemployment extension would be a good economic stimulus. The GOoPers don't want the economy to improve until after the November elections. Therefore, no unemployment benefit extensions as far as they're concerned.
 
The Republicans only got fiscal responsibility religion when they were no longer the majority and no longer could dictate where the money was spent. Now that the Democrats can do what the Republicans could do for a decade, suddenly the Republicans are born again deficit hawks.

I say pay for the the UE extension, and a few other things, by doubling the royalties on oil drilling on federal lands and waters.

Unemployment extension would be a good economic stimulus. The GOoPers don't want the economy to improve until after the November elections. Therefore, no unemployment benefit extensions as far as they're concerned.

so you are of the Pelosi school of economics? okey doke.
 
The Republicans only got fiscal responsibility religion when they were no longer the majority and no longer could dictate where the money was spent. Now that the Democrats can do what the Republicans could do for a decade, suddenly the Republicans are born again deficit hawks.

I say pay for the the UE extension, and a few other things, by doubling the royalties on oil drilling on federal lands and waters.

Unemployment extension would be a good economic stimulus. The GOoPers don't want the economy to improve until after the November elections. Therefore, no unemployment benefit extensions as far as they're concerned.

so you are of the Pelosi school of economics? okey doke.

As I posted in another thread, the CBO and an economic adviser to McCain agree.
 
The Republicans only got fiscal responsibility religion when they were no longer the majority and no longer could dictate where the money was spent. Now that the Democrats can do what the Republicans could do for a decade, suddenly the Republicans are born again deficit hawks.

I say pay for the the UE extension, and a few other things, by doubling the royalties on oil drilling on federal lands and waters.

Unemployment extension would be a good economic stimulus. The GOoPers don't want the economy to improve until after the November elections. Therefore, no unemployment benefit extensions as far as they're concerned.

Maybe they don't want to make things worse in the misguided effort to make things better. Unemployment is better than most attempts to stimulate the economy through government action because it puts money into the hands of people who need it, but money does not grow on trees, and forcing the country deeper into debt is a bad thing.
 

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